http://www.apple.com/ipad/
what do you think?
I can definitely see the potential, and this is coming from the person who thinks Apple is shite. On the other hand, I think it's way too !@#$ing expensive at the moment for me to care enough to get one.
It's missing alot of stuff I'd love to see on it, especially at that price (Although its not all that high... High end laptops cost well over $500, though hiking up the price $100 just for 12GB of space is ridiculous...)
It doesn't have a camera and still has no support for Flash. :/
Quote from: Cactuscat222 on January 27, 2010, 06:23:11 PM
It doesn't have a camera and still has no support for Flash. :/
Why would it have a camera? o.O I don't know, that seems like it'd be kind of weird to have on a tablet PC...
Haha the funny thing about this is Im on my iPod touch right now looking at the forums haha.
Quote from: Chaos on January 27, 2010, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: Cactuscat222 on January 27, 2010, 06:23:11 PM
It doesn't have a camera and still has no support for Flash. :/
Why would it have a camera? o.O I don't know, that seems like it'd be kind of weird to have on a tablet PC...
Why *not* have a camera? They have them on laptops/mobile phones... so why not put it on this? It'd be just as useful, if not more, than the camera on your phones.
Quote from: Cactuscat222 on January 27, 2010, 06:35:26 PM
Quote from: Chaos on January 27, 2010, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: Cactuscat222 on January 27, 2010, 06:23:11 PM
It doesn't have a camera and still has no support for Flash. :/
Why would it have a camera? o.O I don't know, that seems like it'd be kind of weird to have on a tablet PC...
Why *not* have a camera? They have them on laptops/mobile phones... so why not put it on this? It'd be just as useful, if not more, than the camera on your phones.
Yeah, but you carry a mobile phone along with you, fulfilling the need to HAVE a camera at particular moments. This strikes me as a little large to carry around wherever you go.
As for cameras on a laptop, such as a webcam, that's always seemed like a meh-worthy "nice-to-have-but-hardly-necessary" feature. And trying to position the tablet to make a webcam usable seems...akward?
Yeah i did think it was kind of wired that there is no camera. It would be useful for skyp when using the ipad on its stand. I'm sure that's coming in next years version just to get you buy a new one. :P just like any company would.
I have no idea how this is going to do. I kind of wish it was the full osx. Ill see what other people start saying who have it. If it lives to its secant generation it might be awesome. I just cant really find out its use. I get the the meaning of the iphone and a laptop. But this is kind of between them.
Im not calling this the apple tv, im just not sure yet. Can people list uses you can think of?
I see the appeal in it, but I am reserving judgment.
Seems like an oversized iTouch. Though clearly there's some additions. I think there's some things Apple has been working on with certain things such as text books and magazine subscriptions... etc. That kind of thing. It's almost like it's not the device itself that is what makes this so good. It's all the work Apple put into working with other companies so that you can use the device for a lot of different applications. If nothing else, it's definitely a nice looking tablet.
But, I can't believe they actually went with the name iPad... Sounds like you're saying iPod with an accent. Or it's some kind of Mac product for feminine hygiene. >.>
Quote from: Lingus on January 27, 2010, 07:15:45 PM
But, I can't believe they actually went with the name iPad... Sounds like you're saying iPod with an accent. Or it's some kind of Mac product for feminine hygiene. >.>
AHAHAHAHAHA
here and i thought the wii was over priced when it came out for 250. but 500 for this ipad is just plain insane.
Quote from: venuse on January 27, 2010, 07:22:30 PM
here and i thought the wii was over priced when it came out for 250. but 500 for this ipad is just plain insane.
But it's got over 25,000 games for download!
Quote from: venuse on January 27, 2010, 07:22:30 PM
here and i thought the wii was over priced when it came out for 250. but 500 for this ipad is just plain insane.
Why? I think it's a pretty decent price. It's basically like a netbook except it's a tablet with a multi-touch screen. Netbook PCs are around $300-500. So the price is fairly reasonable considering it's a Mac.
QuoteIt's all the work Apple put into working with other companies so that you can use the device for a lot of different applications.
Ok thanks for reminding me. I do see kind of a use in that side for books and mags. I forgot about those. But is this as portable as those or does that even matter? this is a $500+ magazine your caring around with you if it does. Im still not sure in this.
QuoteIf nothing else, it's definitely a nice looking tablet.
We have a lot of those in landfills now if you want one. We need a tablet people like. I don't mind them and i kind of want a touch pc.
Quote from: Jake on January 27, 2010, 07:18:01 PM
Quote from: Lingus on January 27, 2010, 07:15:45 PM
But, I can't believe they actually went with the name iPad... Sounds like you're saying iPod with an accent. Or it's some kind of Mac product for feminine hygiene. >.>
AHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah. i did like islate better.
Quote from: Lingus on January 27, 2010, 07:26:37 PM
Quote from: venuse on January 27, 2010, 07:22:30 PM
here and i thought the wii was over priced when it came out for 250. but 500 for this ipad is just plain insane.
Why? I think it's a pretty decent price. It's basically like a netbook except it's a tablet with a multi-touch screen. Netbook PCs are around $300-500. So the price is fairly reasonable considering it's a Mac.
Yup. mac is the only one who gets away with those prices. But people think they want to be know as the height end of computing.
So basically, Apple just made the ipod touch bigger gave it a new name?
Quote from: HeroicHero on January 27, 2010, 08:30:08 PM
So basically, Apple just made the ipod touch bigger gave it a new name?
Yeah, but its obviously more powerful and will have more functionality, as far as I can tell.
Quote from: HeroicHero on January 27, 2010, 08:30:08 PM
So basically, Apple just made the ipod touch bigger gave it a new name?
yup. Its has more stuff with it ofcousre but if you like the ipod touch or iphone you will maybe like this also.
i prefer my kindle over this i think.... doesn't cost as much, and i can put music on it if i want to, but i have my ipod for that 0.o and laptop for videos and shit... but i could see the appeal... just not my kind of think i think... but i am not much for apple except an ipod
Quote from: Cactuscat222 on January 27, 2010, 09:16:06 PM
Quote from: HeroicHero on January 27, 2010, 08:30:08 PM
So basically, Apple just made the ipod touch bigger gave it a new name?
Yeah, but its obviously more powerful and will have more functionality, as far as I can tell.
The sad part is that from what i've seen from the site for it so far, it dosn't seem like it actually does have all that more functionality than an ipod touch. Hopefuly it will though.
Does the iPod Touch have wireless internet? I didn't think it did. I thought it was just wi-fi network. Not to mention the larger screen being much better for... well everything. I wouldn't want to read a book or magazine on the touch. And browsing the web is probably a whole hell of a lot better. Then you have movies, games, etc... But yea, you have all that on the touch, it would juts be better on this.
I also heard you could use Verizon for wireless internet, versus having to use AT&T. I don't know if that's true or not.
QuoteDoes the iPod Touch have wireless internet?
Thats call an iphone. A iphone is a ipod touch with a camera and the radios to connect to the towers.
I'm still not sure what this really is for. Why do i need a lagerscreen? Like how will this replaces my netbook. I'm not saying it cant, i just not sure how.
Quote from: ARTgames on January 28, 2010, 05:15:43 PM
QuoteDoes the iPod Touch have wireless internet?
Thats call an iphone. A iphone is a ipod touch with a camera and the radios to connect to the towers.
I'm still not sure what this really is for. Why do i need a lagerscreen? Like how will this replaces my netbook. I'm not saying it cant, i just not sure how.
Because reading books, watching videos, and using the internet would be a pain in the arse on an iTouch, imo. I don't see this as a replacement for a netbook at all. Personally, assuming they take full advantage of it, besides using as an e-book perhaps for my school textbooks, I would also like to see the ability to use it like an e-notepad. Take class notes, do sketches and drawings, the like.
its retarded...... its just a bigger ipod touch or iphone......
Quote from: sk8terboi on January 28, 2010, 05:25:44 PM
its retarded...... its just a bigger ipod touch or iphone......
Clearly you can't see the innovation in this.
But, personally, I just can't read a book digitally. I find it quite awkward, and hard to focus on. I mean, short articles, and the usual internet crap are alright, but actual novels...? Doesn't really have the same appeal to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udxYWn--kl4&feature=related
These guys seem to think they invented the goddamn computer when all they REALLY did is make a bigger iTouch. I don't care how solid the touchscreen is, anything you can do on that, you can do better on a desktop computer. Yes, it's portable, but the iTouch and even most cellphones will do pretty much whatever you would want to do portably.
NO USB.
NO HDMI
NO HD (1080p).
NO Multitasking.
NO Mac OS X.
NO Camera.
NO SD Card Reader.
NO Flash (Adobe).
Quote from: Lingus on January 28, 2010, 04:07:20 PM
Does the iPod Touch have wireless internet? I didn't think it did. I thought it was just wi-fi network. Not to mention the larger screen being much better for... well everything. I wouldn't want to read a book or magazine on the touch. And browsing the web is probably a whole hell of a lot better. Then you have movies, games, etc... But yea, you have all that on the touch, it would juts be better on this.
I also heard you could use Verizon for wireless internet, versus having to use AT&T. I don't know if that's true or not.
Ipod touch has had wifi support since their generation 1. Can't do 3G, but still.
1080p on a screen that small is pointless.
Quote from: Jake on January 28, 2010, 07:39:16 PM
1080p on a screen that small is pointless.
He wants it with an HDMI out so he can watch it on a big tv in other words.
Quote from: ARTgames on January 28, 2010, 07:43:02 PM
Quote from: Jake on January 28, 2010, 07:39:16 PM
1080p on a screen that small is pointless.
He wants it with an HDMI out so he can watch it on a big tv in other words.
Oh, ok :P
http://twit.tv/mbw177
talk about the ipad
Quote from: Meiun on January 28, 2010, 07:38:04 PM
Quote from: Lingus on January 28, 2010, 04:07:20 PM
Does the iPod Touch have wireless internet? I didn't think it did. I thought it was just wi-fi network. Not to mention the larger screen being much better for... well everything. I wouldn't want to read a book or magazine on the touch. And browsing the web is probably a whole hell of a lot better. Then you have movies, games, etc... But yea, you have all that on the touch, it would juts be better on this.
I also heard you could use Verizon for wireless internet, versus having to use AT&T. I don't know if that's true or not.
Ipod touch has had wifi support since their generation 1. Can't do 3G, but still.
That was my point. The iPad has 3G.
Quote from: Matty_Richo on January 28, 2010, 07:34:25 PM
NO USB.
Hmm... doesn't Mac only use Firewire? Besides, I think the docking port is really the only plug you need for it.
Quote from: ARTgames on January 28, 2010, 07:43:02 PM
Quote from: Jake on January 28, 2010, 07:39:16 PM
1080p on a screen that small is pointless.
He wants it with an HDMI out so he can watch it on a big tv in other words.
Doesn't it have a plug so you can hook it up to a larger monitor? I'm not sure if it outputs to HD quality though.
Anyways, what's funny to me is how worked up people get. I guess that's why Apple is so amazing. It doesn't matter if you like them or not. Most people have some strong opinion. Which means more people talk about it, which means more people hear about it and likely, more people buy it...
Quote from: Lingus on January 28, 2010, 07:58:24 PM
Quote from: Meiun on January 28, 2010, 07:38:04 PM
Quote from: Lingus on January 28, 2010, 04:07:20 PM
Does the iPod Touch have wireless internet? I didn't think it did. I thought it was just wi-fi network. Not to mention the larger screen being much better for... well everything. I wouldn't want to read a book or magazine on the touch. And browsing the web is probably a whole hell of a lot better. Then you have movies, games, etc... But yea, you have all that on the touch, it would juts be better on this.
I also heard you could use Verizon for wireless internet, versus having to use AT&T. I don't know if that's true or not.
Ipod touch has had wifi support since their generation 1. Can't do 3G, but still.
That was my point. The iPad has 3G.
so does the iphone.
Quote from: Matty_Richo on January 28, 2010, 07:34:25 PM
NO USB.
Hmm... doesn't Mac only use Firewire? [/quote]
no mac droping fire wire. was a big story last year or two when they started to make laptops without them. mac has usb support.
Personaly I don't think the iPad is horrible. It definitely has some use and I could see why some people may want a large ipod touch (really is basically what it is from what I've seen). I just personally think it misses out on more opportunities than it takes advantage of. It still seems to only use the whole "app" setup instead of actually allowing it to run like a real computer and run any program the user wants, has the same amount of storage pretty much that you can get in a new iphone or ipod touch, and the only other feature thats been added to it (that i've seen) is that it can do 3G. However, the only upgrade of 3G over wifi is that it's really handy for a device that is going to be highly portable, and for me I'd rather just go with my iPhone if that is the case. Not to mention that 3G costs a lot to signup for, and if your gonna do that you might as well get the iPhone instead and get the whole phone thing taken care of too (unless you really want something big that badly, which some may). I don't think the iPad is pointless, just could/should be better, and is not worth as much hype as it has been getting in my eyes. If it is that much bigger I just feel it should be able to do more.
Quote from: Meiun on January 28, 2010, 08:40:42 PM
Personaly I don't think the iPad is horrible. It definitely has some use and I could see why some people may want a large ipod touch (really is basically what it is from what I've seen). I just personally think it misses out on more opportunities than it takes advantage of. It still seems to only use the whole "app" setup instead of actually allowing it to run like a real computer and run any program the user wants, has the same amount of storage pretty much that you can get in a new iphone or ipod touch, and the only other feature thats been added to it (that i've seen) is that it can do 3G. However, the only upgrade of 3G over wifi is that it's really handy for a device that is going to be highly portable, and for me I'd rather just go with my iPhone if that is the case. Not to mention that 3G costs a lot to signup for, and if your gonna do that you might as well get the iPhone instead and get the whole phone thing taken care of too (unless you really want something big that badly, which some may). I don't think the iPad is pointless, just could/should be better, and is not worth as much hype as it has been getting in my eyes. If it is that much bigger I just feel it should be able to do more.
That's pretty much what the general consensus is. I'd tend to agree with what you said, but I'm slightly more forgiving over it's absence of important features because of how damn sexy it is.
I think Meiun pretty much hit the nail right on the head. I can see a lot of potential in the idea, it's just a matter of seeing where they go with this.
Quote from: ARTgames on January 28, 2010, 08:26:24 PMmac has usb support.
Ah ok. Didn't know that. Even so, the docking port is probably all you will need.
I guess I just don't see the problem. It seems like most people are wanting it to do more... almost like a PC. Meiun, your comment about it using the app functionality rather than acting more like a computer strikes me as a bit odd. The whole point of a Mac is ease of use. It seems like the app functionality is what that's all about. It's very "lite". Which, for a tablet like this is I think what people want. It's similar with a netbook, but even more so.
Quote from: Meiun on January 28, 2010, 08:40:42 PMNot to mention that 3G costs a lot to signup for, and if your gonna do that you might as well get the iPhone instead and get the whole phone thing taken care of too
But either way you have the cost of the phone service and the 3G service (unless you have the 3G on your phone as well, but then it's just redundant) so the cost is the same.
Quote from: Jake on January 28, 2010, 09:03:52 PM
Quote from: Meiun on January 28, 2010, 08:40:42 PM
Personaly I don't think the iPad is horrible. It definitely has some use and I could see why some people may want a large ipod touch (really is basically what it is from what I've seen). I just personally think it misses out on more opportunities than it takes advantage of. It still seems to only use the whole "app" setup instead of actually allowing it to run like a real computer and run any program the user wants, has the same amount of storage pretty much that you can get in a new iphone or ipod touch, and the only other feature thats been added to it (that i've seen) is that it can do 3G. However, the only upgrade of 3G over wifi is that it's really handy for a device that is going to be highly portable, and for me I'd rather just go with my iPhone if that is the case. Not to mention that 3G costs a lot to signup for, and if your gonna do that you might as well get the iPhone instead and get the whole phone thing taken care of too (unless you really want something big that badly, which some may). I don't think the iPad is pointless, just could/should be better, and is not worth as much hype as it has been getting in my eyes. If it is that much bigger I just feel it should be able to do more.
That's pretty much what the general consensus is. I'd tend to agree with what you said, but I'm slightly more forgiving over it's absence of important features because of how damn sexy it is.
I can't deny that it does look pretty sexy, but yeah.
Quote from: Lingus on January 28, 2010, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: Meiun on January 28, 2010, 08:40:42 PMNot to mention that 3G costs a lot to signup for, and if your gonna do that you might as well get the iPhone instead and get the whole phone thing taken care of too
But either way you have the cost of the phone service and the 3G service (unless you have the 3G on your phone as well, but then it's just redundant) so the cost is the same.
They might charge you more for data when using the ipad than a phone. Like they do for the cards you place in your laptop.
So they've essentially duplicated a great device and made it no longer easily portable...good job Apple.
I saw this on digg and i cant help for not posting
(http://i.imgur.com/oRffH.jpg)
XD
another pic
http://i.imgur.com/ion9W.jpg
edit
also something more searios
iPad DRM endangers our rights
http://www.defectivebydesign.org/ipad
Quote from: ARTgames on January 28, 2010, 10:22:30 PM
Quote from: Lingus on January 28, 2010, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: Meiun on January 28, 2010, 08:40:42 PMNot to mention that 3G costs a lot to signup for, and if your gonna do that you might as well get the iPhone instead and get the whole phone thing taken care of too
But either way you have the cost of the phone service and the 3G service (unless you have the 3G on your phone as well, but then it's just redundant) so the cost is the same.
They might charge you more for data when using the ipad than a phone. Like they do for the cards you place in your laptop.
Who does that? AT&T? My understanding is that the data plan is the data plan. It might depend on what plan you get, but it doesn't matter what device it's used for. Are you saying they would force you to get the higher data plan?
Vaguely related, but oh so funny that I had to link 'em:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ERgZ9dztk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuYkH60w4Ns
Quote from: Lingus on January 29, 2010, 02:05:20 PM
Quote from: ARTgames on January 28, 2010, 10:22:30 PM
Quote from: Lingus on January 28, 2010, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: Meiun on January 28, 2010, 08:40:42 PMNot to mention that 3G costs a lot to signup for, and if your gonna do that you might as well get the iPhone instead and get the whole phone thing taken care of too
But either way you have the cost of the phone service and the 3G service (unless you have the 3G on your phone as well, but then it's just redundant) so the cost is the same.
They might charge you more for data when using the ipad than a phone. Like they do for the cards you place in your laptop.
Who does that? AT&T? My understanding is that the data plan is the data plan. It might depend on what plan you get, but it doesn't matter what device it's used for. Are you saying they would force you to get the higher data plan?
I've actually heard its unlocked and can be used with anything. But for 30$ a month at&t will give unlimted downloads and internet service.
Quote from: Titan on January 29, 2010, 04:36:52 PM
Quote from: Lingus on January 29, 2010, 02:05:20 PM
Quote from: ARTgames on January 28, 2010, 10:22:30 PM
Quote from: Lingus on January 28, 2010, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: Meiun on January 28, 2010, 08:40:42 PMNot to mention that 3G costs a lot to signup for, and if your gonna do that you might as well get the iPhone instead and get the whole phone thing taken care of too
But either way you have the cost of the phone service and the 3G service (unless you have the 3G on your phone as well, but then it's just redundant) so the cost is the same.
They might charge you more for data when using the ipad than a phone. Like they do for the cards you place in your laptop.
Who does that? AT&T? My understanding is that the data plan is the data plan. It might depend on what plan you get, but it doesn't matter what device it's used for. Are you saying they would force you to get the higher data plan?
not sure. ill have to see what they will do with the ipad when it comes out. You might have to get 2 data plains if you want data on your phone and ipad.
but look hear at the iphone's "unlimited data"
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/packages/packages-details.jsp?q_package=sku3790236
$30 a month
here the one for a laptop
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/basics/choosing-phone/laptop-connect-cards.jsp
$60 a month
There basically the same plain. "unlimited data" mean's 5GB a mouth (i dont know how they dont gets sued for false advertisement). And the laptop card is also 5GB a month.
So yeah you do pay more for the same thing. and you might even have to buy it twice. Cell phone company are freaking ripoffs and its no wonder why people dislike them.
Quote from: Chaos on January 29, 2010, 02:53:53 PM
Vaguely related, but oh so funny that I had to link 'em:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ERgZ9dztk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuYkH60w4Ns
That second video is !@#$ing hilarious. xD I share the same opinion as that guy who made it, actually. Too many companies lately seem to be making minor edits to systems and claiming it as an entirely new one, with an over-sized price tag to boot. You'd think they could've done more with the iPad. But hey, it has potential, and it's not even for sale yet. I'll just wait and see(although I'm VERY doubtful about about it, honestly...).
Quote from: ARTgames on January 28, 2010, 10:38:24 PM
something more searios
iPad DRM endangers our rights
http://www.defectivebydesign.org/ipad
Oh goddammit. I'm starting to hate this thing already. :-X
Quote from: ARTgames on January 29, 2010, 05:27:58 PMSo yeah you do pay more for the same thing. and you might even have to buy it twice. Cell phone company are freaking ripoffs and its no wonder why people dislike them.
Well that's retarded... But yes, you would definitely have to get it twice. You have to have the data plan for each device you have. You can't share the plan amongst multiple devices. Think of it like having a separate phone number for the iPad and iPhone. They do the same thing with wireless modems. The modem itself has a number.
I was just saying might because some people might not be paying for data now.
Not sure if I misread you, but I have an iPhone with the unlimited plan and it definitely is unlimited. They may "hold the right" to do something if you got totally carried away, but I have a friend who jailbroke his and via tethering did a few hundred GB worth of download traffic over his iPhone in a month on the unlimited with no penalty. iPhone 3G plan is definitely a better deal than what you could get for a typical laptop 3G card.
Quote from: Meiun on January 29, 2010, 10:33:13 PM
Not sure if I misread you, but I have an iPhone with the unlimited plan and it definitely is unlimited. They may "hold the right" to do something if you got totally carried away, but I have a friend who jailbroke his and via tethering did a few hundred GB worth of download traffic over his iPhone in a month on the unlimited with no penalty. iPhone 3G plan is definitely a better deal than what you could get for a typical laptop 3G card.
Hah, funny story about that... I too have an iphone 3g and I also tether it to my laptop. Just recently I checked up on my bill online and decided to look at my internet usage. Just for the last month my usage count was 5 million gb plus(I can only assume its this high due to streaming, gaming etc). Luckily I have the unlimited data plan(which I think is required for iphones) otherwise I would more than likely be in big big big trouble with my monthly bill for overages. So yes, I am 100% sure it is indeed unlimited. And as far as getting a 3g laptop connect card in my opinion you are actually better off buying a typical iphone and tethering it.
Quote from: Manzy on January 29, 2010, 11:14:06 PM
Quote from: Meiun on January 29, 2010, 10:33:13 PM
Not sure if I misread you, but I have an iPhone with the unlimited plan and it definitely is unlimited. They may "hold the right" to do something if you got totally carried away, but I have a friend who jailbroke his and via tethering did a few hundred GB worth of download traffic over his iPhone in a month on the unlimited with no penalty. iPhone 3G plan is definitely a better deal than what you could get for a typical laptop 3G card.
Hah, funny story about that... I too have an iphone 3g and I also tether it to my laptop. Just recently I checked up on my bill online and decided to look at my internet usage. Just for the last month my usage count was 5 million gb plus(I can only assume its this high due to streaming, gaming etc). Luckily I have the unlimited data plan(which I think is required for iphones) otherwise I would more than likely be in big big big trouble with my monthly bill for overages. So yes, I am 100% sure it is indeed unlimited. And as far as getting a 3g laptop connect card in my opinion you are actually better off buying a typical iphone and tethering it.
5,000 TB? I doubt that.
Quote from: Scotty on January 30, 2010, 01:11:41 AM
Quote from: Manzy on January 29, 2010, 11:14:06 PM
Quote from: Meiun on January 29, 2010, 10:33:13 PM
Not sure if I misread you, but I have an iPhone with the unlimited plan and it definitely is unlimited. They may "hold the right" to do something if you got totally carried away, but I have a friend who jailbroke his and via tethering did a few hundred GB worth of download traffic over his iPhone in a month on the unlimited with no penalty. iPhone 3G plan is definitely a better deal than what you could get for a typical laptop 3G card.
Hah, funny story about that... I too have an iphone 3g and I also tether it to my laptop. Just recently I checked up on my bill online and decided to look at my internet usage. Just for the last month my usage count was 5 million gb plus(I can only assume its this high due to streaming, gaming etc). Luckily I have the unlimited data plan(which I think is required for iphones) otherwise I would more than likely be in big big big trouble with my monthly bill for overages. So yes, I am 100% sure it is indeed unlimited. And as far as getting a 3g laptop connect card in my opinion you are actually better off buying a typical iphone and tethering it.
5,000 TB? I doubt that.
I'm pretty sure you would have a big angry mob of AT&T people with pitch forks at your front door if you used 5,000 Terabytes in one month (regardless of the plan).
I'm not sure it's physically POSSIBLE to use 5,000 TBs in a single month.
Quote from: Chaos on January 30, 2010, 01:36:34 AM
I'm not sure it's physically POSSIBLE to use 5,000 TBs in a single month.
Well maybe not possible for a single person...
Quote from: JoEL on January 30, 2010, 01:41:32 AM
Quote from: Chaos on January 30, 2010, 01:36:34 AM
I'm not sure it's physically POSSIBLE to use 5,000 TBs in a single month.
Well maybe not possible for a single person...
Google processes about 20 petabytes of data per day.
Quote from: JoEL on January 30, 2010, 01:41:32 AM
Quote from: Chaos on January 30, 2010, 01:36:34 AM
I'm not sure it's physically POSSIBLE to use 5,000 TBs in a single month.
Well maybe not possible for a single person...
Well, that's what I'm refering to. According to wikipedia, "As of June 2008[update], Cisco Systems estimated Internet traffic at 160 TB/s (which assuming to be statistically constant comes to 5 zettabytes for the year)."
I challenge you all to download 1 yottabyte of data through AT&T before the end of 2010. First price is a free new Ipad. Get crackin.
I thought this was interesting:
(http://www.combatgold1.co.uk/images/funny/misc/ipad-hp-fail.jpg)
Quote from: Meiun on January 29, 2010, 10:33:13 PM
Not sure if I misread you, but I have an iPhone with the unlimited plan and it definitely is unlimited. They may "hold the right" to do something if you got totally carried away, but I have a friend who jailbroke his and via tethering did a few hundred GB worth of download traffic over his iPhone in a month on the unlimited with no penalty. iPhone 3G plan is definitely a better deal than what you could get for a typical laptop 3G card.
http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-546034.html
Im not really sure. I would have too look more. Maybe its something newer.
Quote from: Meiun on January 30, 2010, 01:35:18 AM
Quote from: Scotty on January 30, 2010, 01:11:41 AM
Quote from: Manzy on January 29, 2010, 11:14:06 PM
Quote from: Meiun on January 29, 2010, 10:33:13 PM
Not sure if I misread you, but I have an iPhone with the unlimited plan and it definitely is unlimited. They may "hold the right" to do something if you got totally carried away, but I have a friend who jailbroke his and via tethering did a few hundred GB worth of download traffic over his iPhone in a month on the unlimited with no penalty. iPhone 3G plan is definitely a better deal than what you could get for a typical laptop 3G card.
Hah, funny story about that... I too have an iphone 3g and I also tether it to my laptop. Just recently I checked up on my bill online and decided to look at my internet usage. Just for the last month my usage count was 5 million gb plus(I can only assume its this high due to streaming, gaming etc). Luckily I have the unlimited data plan(which I think is required for iphones) otherwise I would more than likely be in big big big trouble with my monthly bill for overages. So yes, I am 100% sure it is indeed unlimited. And as far as getting a 3g laptop connect card in my opinion you are actually better off buying a typical iphone and tethering it.
5,000 TB? I doubt that.
I'm pretty sure you would have a big angry mob of AT&T people with pitch forks at your front door if you used 5,000 Terabytes in one month (regardless of the plan).
well accoring to Wikipedia:
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GData rates
ITU has not provided a clear definition of the data rate users can expect from 3G equipment or providers. Thus users sold 3G service may not be able to point to a standard and say that the rates it specifies are not being met. While stating in commentary that "it is expected that IMT-2000 will provide higher transmission rates: a minimum data rate of 2 Mbit/s for stationary or walking users, and 348 kbit/s in a moving vehicle,"[13] the ITU does not actually clearly specify minimum or average rates or what modes of the interfaces qualify as 3G, so various rates are sold as 3G intended to meet customers expectations of broadband data.
So if you getting the full 2 Mbit/s thats about 5,184,000 megabits a month or 648,000 megabytes or 632.8125 gigabytes in a month. I have no idea how your able to get 4 882.8125 terabytes worth out of one phone. :P
Quote from: JoEL on January 30, 2010, 07:37:24 AM
I thought this was interesting:
(http://www.combatgold1.co.uk/images/funny/misc/ipad-hp-fail.jpg)
Hows that interesting in any way? apple alwas does that. Just look at the ipod for starters. Its just seems when they do it people buy it. Thats apple for you.
Quote from: ARTgames on January 30, 2010, 09:12:00 AM
Hows that interesting in any way? apple alwas does that. Just look at the ipod for starters. Its just seems when they do it people buy it. Thats apple for you.
I find it interesting because the message below the specs is right.
What are you comparing the ipod to?
Take the sansa for example. had a radio, could record from the radio, had a mic, playlists, equalizer, etc. This was around 2001. Ipod comes along and all it does is play mp3s. Ipod was not strong at first but later just took off. Most people say it was because of itunes. Its seems like apple always seems to win over with 1-3 feacher.
Apple never makes anything new or original like microsoft. But they make people want it. They have done it with pcs, mp3 players, and phones.
Quote from: ARTgames on January 30, 2010, 11:34:29 AM
Take the sansa for example. had a radio, could record from the radio, had a mic, playlists, equalizer, etc. This was around 2001. Ipod comes along and all it does is play mp3s. Ipod was not strong at first but later just took off. Most people say it was because of itunes. Its seems like apple always seems to win over with 1-3 feacher.
Apple never makes anything new or original like microsoft. But they make people want it. They have done it with pcs, mp3 players, and phones.
Realize, of course, that probably also has a lot to do with advertising. Until this moment, I had never HEARD of SanDisk's Sansa. If people don't know about your product, you can't expect them to buy it. :/
Quote from: Chaos on January 30, 2010, 01:31:04 PM
Quote from: ARTgames on January 30, 2010, 11:34:29 AM
Take the sansa for example. had a radio, could record from the radio, had a mic, playlists, equalizer, etc. This was around 2001. Ipod comes along and all it does is play mp3s. Ipod was not strong at first but later just took off. Most people say it was because of itunes. Its seems like apple always seems to win over with 1-3 feacher.
Apple never makes anything new or original like microsoft. But they make people want it. They have done it with pcs, mp3 players, and phones.
Realize, of course, that probably also has a lot to do with advertising. Until this moment, I had never HEARD of SanDisk's Sansa. If people don't know about your product, you can't expect them to buy it. :/
your 100% right chaos. Apples ads really are something that helps them come out on top. Here some vary notable ads.
1984 Apple's Macintosh Commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8
iPod + iTunes TV ad 1 of 2 (colored dancing ads)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwi8_rRq8os
MacBook Air ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E98Eyl5Et0w
Apple iPhone TV Ads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lfmlKYZ-vU
iPhone 3g Commercial "There's An App For That" 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szrsfeyLzyg
Im a mac and im a pc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5z0Ia5jDt4
It just show if you keep shoving things in people faces they will take it regaless of what else is out there. So your right. But what made people stay with the products once they bought it. Itunes is my guess for the first ipod.
Which is ironic, since, as a program, I despise iTunes.
Quote from: Chaos on January 30, 2010, 02:13:49 PM
Which is ironic, since, as a program, I despise iTunes.
As a program yes. But what they did in terms of making digital music legally available to a massive number of people was ground breaking. That's why the iPod became popular. No other MP3 player did that until Apple came along. They revolutionized the MP3 player.
With the iPad, it doesn't seem like they're doing that. They've merely reinvented the tablet pc. Unless... some of the stuff they're talking about with publishers and the like is as good as it sounds. Then, maybe they'll do something similar with "ereaders". But, there's also a lot more potential with this. It doesn't simply allow you to read books, magazines, and news articles digitally. It could be used for a lot more. And perhaps Apple will take advantage of that.
It's definitely too soon to say whether this is a success or failure. And you definitely can't just look at the device itself to make that judgement.
Quote from: ARTgames on January 30, 2010, 11:34:29 AM
Take the sansa for example. had a radio, could record from the radio, had a mic, playlists, equalizer, etc. This was around 2001. Ipod comes along and all it does is play mp3s. Ipod was not strong at first but later just took off. Most people say it was because of itunes. Its seems like apple always seems to win over with 1-3 feacher.
Apple never makes anything new or original like microsoft. But they make people want it. They have done it with pcs, mp3 players, and phones.
I believe the Ipod plays mp4 videos also (Atleast in a few of the later models). Not to mention it had new technologies built into it, such as it's own HDD. Everyone likes new technology.
As for what lingus said, I completely agree.
Ipad lol? sounds like a copy from Ipod
Quote from: Forum on January 30, 2010, 11:04:13 PM
Ipad lol? sounds like a copy from Ipod
Wow... maybe because it is?
Quote from: Cactuscat222 on January 30, 2010, 11:19:26 PM
Quote from: Forum on January 30, 2010, 11:04:13 PM
Ipad lol? sounds like a copy from Ipod
Wow... maybe because it is?
Lol, I think he's an idiot :P
Most products made from Mac these days include the word i-<insert phrase here> like iMac, iPod, iPhone and now iPad. Maybe you should read the topic before posting useless nonsense in it. (aimed at forum btw)
Quote from: JoEL on January 30, 2010, 11:35:14 PM
Quote from: Cactuscat222 on January 30, 2010, 11:19:26 PM
Quote from: Forum on January 30, 2010, 11:04:13 PM
Ipad lol? sounds like a copy from Ipod
Wow... maybe because it is?
Lol, I think he's an idiot :P
Most products made from Mac these days include the word i-<insert phrase here> like iMac, iPod, iPhone and now iPad. Maybe you should read the topic before posting useless nonsense in it. (aimed at forum btw)
Ofc I read the topic..:(.....Jesus
QuoteIt's definitely too soon to say whether this is a success or failure. And you definitely can't just look at the device itself to make that judgement.
Like how the ipod had i tunes and iphon had apps this has books. Im not sure how that going to go.
They say it could make cool magazines because you will be able to add multimedia to it. Buts how is that different from something a website can do?
iThink (pun intended) they should re-name it iReader. With all the possible mispellings and what not, things are bound to go wrong. Besides with the oh-so familiar "iPod", "iPad" feels kind of hard on the eyes.
Quote from: NotoriousM4^ on January 31, 2010, 09:07:02 PM
iThink (pun intended) they should re-name it iReader. With all the possible mispellings and what not, things are bound to go wrong. Besides with the oh-so familiar "iPod", "iPad" feels kind of hard on the eyes.
I agree whenever I see iPad I immediately think it says iPod. Plus I don't think I'd ever buy one of these, I'd rather have a iPhone or iTouch. Seems like a way to make more money off a product that is not very different and is less compact.
Ipad? More like over-sized Ipod touch. ::)
They look fairly interesting though.
Quote from: ARTgames on January 31, 2010, 03:25:38 PM
QuoteIt's definitely too soon to say whether this is a success or failure. And you definitely can't just look at the device itself to make that judgement.
Like how the ipod had i tunes and iphon had apps this has books. Im not sure how that going to go.
They say it could make cool magazines because you will be able to add multimedia to it. Buts how is that different from something a website can do?
Quote from: NotoriousM4^ on January 31, 2010, 09:07:02 PM
iThink (pun intended) they should re-name it iReader. With all the possible mispellings and what not, things are bound to go wrong. Besides with the oh-so familiar "iPod", "iPad" feels kind of hard on the eyes.
Yea, but it does a lot more than just the "reader" features. That's just one of its applications.
Quote from: stick d00d on January 31, 2010, 09:47:36 PM
I agree whenever I see iPad I immediately think it says iPod. Plus I don't think I'd ever buy one of these, I'd rather have a iPhone or iTouch. Seems like a way to make more money off a product that is not very different and is less compact.
Quote from: Delicious on January 31, 2010, 11:29:24 PM
Ipad? More like over-sized Ipod touch. ::)
They look fairly interesting though.
While funny, I think the argument that this is just an oversized iphone or ipod touch is kind of ridiculous. Yes, you can do the same things, but who would want to watch a movie on such a small screen? Or browse the web? Yes, it's possible, but it's much more convenient to have a bigger screen. And I think what is being missed is that this will be a device that people carry around like a laptop... not a phone. And this is more compact than even a netbook. You have to compare apples to apples... (btw, I just realized the pun there. sorry)
Quote from: Lingus on February 01, 2010, 01:40:43 AM
Quote from: ARTgames on January 31, 2010, 03:25:38 PM
QuoteIt's definitely too soon to say whether this is a success or failure. And you definitely can't just look at the device itself to make that judgement.
Like how the ipod had i tunes and iphon had apps this has books. Im not sure how that going to go.
They say it could make cool magazines because you will be able to add multimedia to it. Buts how is that different from something a website can do?
Quote from: NotoriousM4^ on January 31, 2010, 09:07:02 PM
iThink (pun intended) they should re-name it iReader. With all the possible mispellings and what not, things are bound to go wrong. Besides with the oh-so familiar "iPod", "iPad" feels kind of hard on the eyes.
Yea, but it does a lot more than just the "reader" features. That's just one of its applications.
Your missing my point. The main thing that's supposed to separated it from the other products apple has is that it has a bigger screen for books. If it does as much as a webpage can do in that respect today than how does that separate it?
what can it do that a cheaper netbook cant? I will argue a netbook is a lot better deal for a normal consumer.
I would actually argue the opposite. Netbooks are exclusively for surfing the interwebz, and instant messaging. Doing much more than that could be problematic, as the netbook lacks the resources.
It is well proven that the iPhone has a TREMENDOUS amount of apps, games, tools, etc... that you can download and install. Ones that many would be hard pressed to get on a netbook (with the level of ease). It's already well established, slap a mac sticker, and you got yourself a winner!
who is getting one of these when they can? just wondering.
Quote from: ARTgames on February 01, 2010, 06:42:12 PM
who is getting one of these when they can? just wondering.
I plan to get one at some point...but I may wait a while to see how other people like it. Knowing apple, they'll release a better one in 6-12 months.
Quote from: JoEL on February 02, 2010, 01:18:04 AM
Quote from: ARTgames on February 01, 2010, 06:42:12 PM
who is getting one of these when they can? just wondering.
I plan to get one at some point...but I may wait a while to see how other people like it. Knowing apple, they'll release a better one in 6-12 months.
Ditto.
(http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/ipad.jpg?w=500&h=500)
Newspaper companies hate this apparently. A lot think that this will make newspapers extinct...to whom I say...HAHAHAHAHAH never. Su-Do-Ku and reading the sports section is only proper on fresh, recycled, shitty paper.
i dont see why. news papers will be on it and they dont need to buy ink print paper and ship it with trucks.
Unless newspaper companies migrate to using apps for the iPad, it won't happen.
A lot of news you will read in a newspaper is local news, where the heavy hitting inter-/national news on it as well. If you cut out newspapers, local news goes down the drain. It isn't like CNN is gonna waste their time reporting every time gramma yokum's cat crawled into the tree and was saved by the local fire department, but that's perfect material for a smaller new corporation to put into a newspaper.
Ok, so while I am primarily a Windows user, I have no problem admitting that Apple definitely does and can make some great stuff, especially in regards to the whole iPod, iPhone, lines. But after reading a couple articles about their development plans on things, I have to say that Steve Jobs strikes me as a HUGE arrogant and cocky douche. Apparently he refuses to give the iPad support for Flash, despite Adobe (the company that makes it) wanting to be able to put it on there. So in other words, a HUGE portion of the internet and potential video sources will be completely unavailable to iPad users simply because Steve Jobs "doesn't like it." After bashing Adobe some he stated that "the internet is all moving to HTML5" which wont need Flash anymore (which is being developed largely by some apple people, surprise surprise). Which in my book, even if this were true is no excuse for shunning a tremendous portion of the internet in the mean time. He did the exact same thing when it came to adding support for Java, to which he stated that "nobody uses it anymore," which even the sites that posted the article of him saying that agreed was a blatant lie.
I have another item on the "ereader" issue (this time on the opposite side of what I've been saying). So apparently publishers are pissed at Amazon (who makes the Kindle which is the largest ereader at the moment) for selling ebooks at lower than standard prices. The publishers want to force Amazon to sell books at higher prices, or they will withhold the books until much later than they would sell them to retailers. Their argument is that it devalues their product (the books they are selling). Which is kind of true to a certain extent. If you can buy the book on Kindle for $9.99, why would you spend an extra 3+ dollars for a physical copy? Some people prefer paper books, and these people would certainly spend the extra money for it, but overall more people will buy the cheaper digital copy. Of course, the difference is that with ebooks you can sell as many copies with no extra printing costs. So that has to be factored in there somewhere (I'm no expert in the field so I wouldn't know how that effects the matter). In any case, it is what it is.
Now, along comes Apple and says, "Hey, I'll sell ebooks at higher prices." Soooo... where does that leave the consumer? We were all set to have a revolution in the way books are sold. Digital distribution would become more widespread and inexpensive, while more costly paper copies of novels would likely never go out of fashion. We would have the best of both worlds. The cheap, convenient option, and the more costly, but familiar option. Now it seems there is no precedence for digital books to be any cheaper than the print versions. If Apple is going to sell them at the same price, then everyone will have to. You either fall in line, or the publishers won't sell you the copies.
So, thanks to Apple, competition in the market has done exactly the opposite of what it should for consumers.
I don't foresee the iPad beating the Kindle as an eReader. I am pretty sure (and it has already been speculated by many) that the screen on it would be too strenuous on the eyes over long periods for a really practical reading device. The kindle screen is indeed pretty easy on the eyes, so based on what little I know on it I can at least get an idea of where they are coming from.
Quote from: Scotty on February 03, 2010, 12:19:14 AM
Unless newspaper companies migrate to using apps for the iPad, it won't happen.
A lot of news you will read in a newspaper is local news, where the heavy hitting inter-/national news on it as well. If you cut out newspapers, local news goes down the drain. It isn't like CNN is gonna waste their time reporting every time gramma yokum's cat crawled into the tree and was saved by the local fire department, but that's perfect material for a smaller new corporation to put into a newspaper.
whats keeping them from moving online age? I did not see it in your post.
i have a kindle, and i love it. i can see why publishers could be mad cause i could have bought a whole trilogy for 9.99. it is very easy on the eyes, as i read it for hours straight. They also give free books here and there, as i have like 10-15 free books. No it can't play video, but with the way the screen is, i don't forsee them being able to play video with the screen the way it is. It squirts ink on the back of like a clearish paper material from what i hear, thus why it also doesn't glare if you are reading in the sun or something. It can still go online via satellite and i have even gone on this website with it just to check some things. Sure it can't sign on to AOL cause of java or something, but i still would rather have my kindle. I can see them raising the prices of newly released books, but 9.99 is the max at which a book is sold right now, seeing as all you are paying for is the copyright. but a lot of the older books are like 5-6 dollars.
But it doesn't really matter what the consumer wants. That's the point. The publishers will withhold the books from Amazon meaning you wouldn't be able to buy the book on the Kindle until much later than you would at a retail store or on the iPad. And if that means Amazon will lose sales through their Kindle, they will raise their prices so they can make the publishers happy. It might not matter to you if you can't get the book right away on Kindle. It might not make you decide to get an iPad instead. But it might be for someone else, or for a lot of other people. And hell, if they're already getting the iPad because of all of its other features, why would they get a Kindle as well if they can't even get the books they want on time?
just asking but when you image your self holding this ware are you? home school work etc.
Quote from: Meiun on February 03, 2010, 12:59:00 AM
Ok, so while I am primarily a Windows user, I have no problem admitting that Apple definitely does and can make some great stuff, especially in regards to the whole iPod, iPhone, lines. But after reading a couple articles about their development plans on things, I have to say that Steve Jobs strikes me as a HUGE arrogant and cocky douche. Apparently he refuses to give the iPad support for Flash, despite Adobe (the company that makes it) wanting to be able to put it on there. So in other words, a HUGE portion of the internet and potential video sources will be completely unavailable to iPad users simply because Steve Jobs "doesn't like it." After bashing Adobe some he stated that "the internet is all moving to HTML5" which wont need Flash anymore (which is being developed largely by some apple people, surprise surprise). Which in my book, even if this were true is no excuse for shunning a tremendous portion of the internet in the mean time. He did the exact same thing when it came to adding support for Java, to which he stated that "nobody uses it anymore," which even the sites that posted the article of him saying that agreed was a blatant lie.
I would REALLY like to know where he is even coming up with that shit. It's almost as if he has down-syndrome. Does he really think flash is anywhere near obsolete? What a !@#$ing retard. He is lucky enough that flash came to him like that, and the fact he just turns down a great offer and bashes them is not only foolish, but a douche-move indeed. !@#$ you Steve Jobs.
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on February 03, 2010, 08:17:53 PM
Quote from: Meiun on February 03, 2010, 12:59:00 AM
Ok, so while I am primarily a Windows user, I have no problem admitting that Apple definitely does and can make some great stuff, especially in regards to the whole iPod, iPhone, lines. But after reading a couple articles about their development plans on things, I have to say that Steve Jobs strikes me as a HUGE arrogant and cocky douche. Apparently he refuses to give the iPad support for Flash, despite Adobe (the company that makes it) wanting to be able to put it on there. So in other words, a HUGE portion of the internet and potential video sources will be completely unavailable to iPad users simply because Steve Jobs "doesn't like it." After bashing Adobe some he stated that "the internet is all moving to HTML5" which wont need Flash anymore (which is being developed largely by some apple people, surprise surprise). Which in my book, even if this were true is no excuse for shunning a tremendous portion of the internet in the mean time. He did the exact same thing when it came to adding support for Java, to which he stated that "nobody uses it anymore," which even the sites that posted the article of him saying that agreed was a blatant lie.
I would REALLY like to know where he is even coming up with that shit. It's almost as if he has down-syndrome. Does he really think flash is anywhere near obsolete? What a !@#$ing retard. He is lucky enough that flash came to him like that, and the fact he just turns down a great offer and bashes them is not only foolish, but a douche-move indeed. !@#$ you Steve Jobs.
Ever since I saw "Journey to Silicon Valley", Steve Jobs always struck me as a bigger douchebagger than I.
Steve Jobs says that he doesn't want flash support because it causes so many problems. I personally think the benefits outweigh the issues with flash, but I guess he knows best.
Quote from: Jake on February 03, 2010, 09:02:38 PM
Steve Jobs says that he doesn't want flash support because it causes so many problems. I personally think the benefits outweigh the issues with flash, but I guess he knows best.
That is a correct statement.
Also how is jobs being mean news to you people. People who work with him fear and respect him. When he enters into a room he assumes himself as the most smart one there. In apple its his way or the highway. He will make a product only with the features he wants people to have.
He's almost crazy but he brought apple back from the dump, made the ipod and the iphone, and started the pc world up with his help on the apple 2. He is a marketing genuine but like any person has flaws.
The biggest argument against flash is how it is a single point of failure. It's a single software provider. Web applications are SWIFTLY moving towards RIA's, and if Adobe abandons the project, goes under, starts charging (keep in mind, flex is open source), then Flash goes down the crapper. It's never wise to limit it down to one provider. Rid of the need for this for RIA's by implementing it in the next version of HTML 5 is a brilliant idea. Will Flash ever go under? Not likely, or not before something bigger and better comes along that renders Flash crap by comparison. It's only natural, and I welcome HTML 5.
As for Apple ditching flash for the next potential major revision of HTML, I can understand what he's getting at. Why support something that is going to die off when the next big thing comes along. What I don't agree with is him expressing his distaste for Flash when HTML5 is expected to go into "full" implementation in a decade (or two if you are MS IE). That right there will hold Flash at the top, considering RIA's are not browser specific. Script an RIA for one browser, and it works on all the others. Flash will be around for a long time still...
About this flash thing. I knew it was going to happen. I like flash but i really would like for it to die because of the resource it takes. But apple hard headed and the web is not going to change over night so i guess people who buy it is going to have to live with it. Something to keep in mind if your getting one. I do hope html 5 does take over one day.
Quote from: Scotty on February 03, 2010, 10:25:11 PM
The biggest argument against flash is how it is a single point of failure. It's a single software provider. Web applications are SWIFTLY moving towards RIA's, and if Adobe abandons the project, goes under, starts charging (keep in mind, flex is open source), then Flash goes down the crapper. It's never wise to limit it down to one provider. Rid of the need for this for RIA's by implementing it in the next version of HTML 5 is a brilliant idea. Will Flash ever go under? Not likely, or not before something bigger and better comes along that renders Flash crap by comparison. It's only natural, and I welcome HTML 5.
As for Apple ditching flash for the next potential major revision of HTML, I can understand what he's getting at. Why support something that is going to die off when the next big thing comes along. What I don't agree with is him expressing his distaste for Flash when HTML5 is expected to go into "full" implementation in a decade (or two if you are MS IE). That right there will hold Flash at the top, considering RIA's are not browser specific. Script an RIA for one browser, and it works on all the others. Flash will be around for a long time still...
Yeah, I'm with you on that. HTML5 sounds great, but whether Steve Jobs likes it or not, TONS of sites out there rely heavily on Flash. I am more annoyed with his ignorance about that (and the fact that this isn't the first time he has pulled something like this) than the actual decision itself.
Quote from: ARTgames on February 03, 2010, 09:17:29 PM
Quote from: Jake on February 03, 2010, 09:02:38 PM
Steve Jobs says that he doesn't want flash support because it causes so many problems. I personally think the benefits outweigh the issues with flash, but I guess he knows best.
That is a correct statement.
Also how is jobs being mean news to you people. People who work with him fear and respect him. When he enters into a room he assumes himself as the most smart one there. In apple its his way or the highway. He will make a product only with the features he wants people to have.
He's almost crazy but he brought apple back from the dump, made the ipod and the iphone, and started the pc world up with his help on the apple 2. He is a marketing genuine but like any person has flaws.
Sounds like he is way too full of himself. Unlike Microsoft, Apple only accounts for a small fraction of the computers in the world, and therefore he can't just make big decision like that and expect the rest of the computing world and internet to comply.
There is one thing i would like about this that would make me want it. Text books. If i can search, etc in a text book i would like one. I just hope textbook makers latch onto it.
Quote from: ARTgames on February 04, 2010, 07:14:30 PM
There is one thing i would like about this that would make me want it. Text books. If i can search, etc in a text book i would like one. I just hope textbook makers latch onto it.
That's exactly what I was saying earlier. I would get this, if solely to use as an e-textbook and e-drawing pad. And not just this, anything like this. Imagine schools where we don't have to hand out assignments anymore, the teacher just automatically uploads them to our tablet. Textbooks? Just open it up on your tablet.
Do I think Apple or the Ipad will actually do something smart and fulfill such a role? Not bloody likely. The inability to multi-task, along with Apple's ass-backwards stubbornness makes me think this is not what I'm looking for. Yet. We'll see what the future holds.
i think amazon was looking into electronic textbooks for the kindle. They did a study to see how people reacted to using them and said that they didn't really like them over regular text books, though for reasons that are stupid cause they don't know how to use their kindle... like they say that they can't put little tracer tags in the book to show something, when you can bookmark it on a kindle, you can't highlight on a kindle when i believe you can, it just underlines it instead... stuff like that... i think it would be great, but i don't think it would be 9.99, i think it would have to cost more than that, but not more or equal to the cost of a regular text book, maybe just the cost of a used one minus the price of paper, bindings, etc, etc.
Quote from: DivineLegend on February 05, 2010, 02:29:27 AM
but i don't think it would be 9.99, i think it would have to cost more than that, but not more or equal to the cost of a regular text book, maybe just the cost of a used one minus the price of paper, bindings, etc, etc.
That's the whole thing I was talking about earlier. I don't know about text books specifically, and I don't know Apple's take on it, but based on what happened between Macmillan and Amazon and how Apple responded, it's likely that Apple will charge full price for digital text books. In other words, they don't care that a certain portion of the retail price of a physical book is attributed to printing costs. They're going to charge the same price because otherwise it would "devalue" the product and piss off the publisher. And when it comes to text books, I highly doubt the price has anything to do with the printing costs. I don't see how it could cost anywhere near $80+ to make a text book. Which just shows those publishers are not concerned with printing costs anyways.
I thought this was some kind of joke as a Tampon... lol...
Quote from: Josh on February 05, 2010, 09:13:05 PM
I thought this was some kind of joke as a Tampon... lol...
Yeah, you're funny. You should google what a Tampon is, because Pads and Tampons are two different things....
back on topic,
Quote
just asking but when you image your self holding this ware are you? home school work etc.
hmm, I can only picture myself lying down with it and resting it on my legs....or maybe while at a desk and it resting on the table, other then that it being completely flat makes it hard to use everywhere...
well then apple company is a bunch of fu(king morons if you ask me... publishers didn't really have an issue with the amazon price until apple made this.....
I don't get the tampon thing. I guess it's an internal joke.
Quote from: yottabyte on February 06, 2010, 05:09:16 AM
I don't get the tampon thing. I guess it's an internal joke.
You have much to learn, my son...
You see, when a girl comes around a certain age...
Quote from: yottabyte on February 06, 2010, 05:09:16 AM
I don't get the tampon thing. I guess it's an internal joke.
look at my profile picture... someone saw that and thought of pads... its a joke about ipads name
I know that. I just don't get it. What has iPad got to do with tampons? ???
Quote from: DivineLegend on February 06, 2010, 02:51:20 AM
well then apple company is a bunch of fu(king morons if you ask me... publishers didn't really have an issue with the amazon price until apple made this.....
I'm not sure if that's true. The way it sounds is that the publishers have been pissed at amazon for a while.
Quote from: yottabyte on February 06, 2010, 12:49:47 PM
I know that. I just don't get it. What has iPad got to do with tampons? ???
Pads and tampons are both feminine hygiene products. It's pretty obvious...
I looked it up in a lexicon. I get it now. :P
Quote from: Lingus on February 06, 2010, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: DivineLegend on February 06, 2010, 02:51:20 AM
well then apple company is a bunch of fu(king morons if you ask me... publishers didn't really have an issue with the amazon price until apple made this.....
I'm not sure if that's true. The way it sounds is that the publishers have been pissed at amazon for a while.
That could be true, just not brough out to light because they could have been negotiating... but it makes me wonder, would they make me pay more for the books i already have? if they were to raise prices if publishers were pissed enough, or could the publishers take back all their books and leave the kindle nothing, like how a book was taken off a while ago because of copyright infringment, and since it is satellite internet, they were able to withdraw all of the copies of the books from people's kindles.
That's a major issue people are having with the iPad, and I would think the Kindle too. Since they have access to your software, they can remove anything they choose at any given time for whatever reason. I don't think it likely that they would do what you are saying. It would just mean future purchases would be at the higher price. But the sheer fact that you even have to question it is evidence enough that it's a bad feature. When you purchase something legitimately, let's use an actual printed book for example, you want to have a certain knowledge that this is your possession now. You can do whatever you want with it, within reason. If you want, you could even share it with a friend. And at no point are you worried that Barnes & Noble or the publisher is going to break into your home and take back the book you legitimately bought. The way they have these digital rights nonsense set up you just don't have that.
yeah... i mean you could always just get books illegally off the internet, but i don't want to come down to that
Now there going to be a wifi one and one with 3G in it. If some one is interested in the 3G ware might you use this outside?
Well, most places I go have wifi, but it's definitely convenient if you're in the car (and not driving obviously) or otherwise travelling. I dunno, maybe if you're at the park or somewhere like that. Honestly, I could see myself using this device just about any place. It seems really convenient to hold and use while you're on the go.
you go to a park to use a computer? :P
I wouldn't go there specifically to use a computer, but I do go to the park to just hang out outside, read a book, write, that kind of thing. If I had a very convenient, portable device like the iPad that has wireless internet I would probably use it there in order to read books or whatever.
I actually have a netbook and a wireless modem, but I haven't had it for very long and haven't taken it to the park yet, but I likely will at some point so that I can do some writing.
QuoteI actually have a netbook and a wireless modem, but I haven't had it for very long and haven't taken it to the park yet, but I likely will at some point so that I can do some writing.
iv done that myself. But how much writing will you do with an ipad?
kindle has satellite internet and as far as i have used it, i can get access every where with it, even at work.
How is the browsing on it? Are you restricted on what websites you can view?
Quote from: DivineLegend on February 08, 2010, 05:21:41 PM
kindle has satellite internet and as far as i have used it, i can get access every where with it, even at work.
No, it uses sprints evdo. So ware ever you get phone services you get the internet on it.
Quote from: http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Amazons-Original-Wireless-generation/dp/B000FI73MAUnlike WiFi, Kindle utilizes the same high-speed data network (EVDO) as advanced cell phones—so you never have to locate a hotspot.
Its amazing how Amazon made that deal with sprint.
QuoteHow is the browsing on it? Are you restricted on what websites you can view?
No its not. But its PAINFULL to use! The browser is next to crap and is a just in there because its used for buying books. Which its ok at.
Quote from: ARTgames on February 08, 2010, 06:35:06 PMQuoteHow is the browsing on it? Are you restricted on what websites you can view?
No its not. But its PAINFULL to use! The browser is next to crap and is a just in there because its used for buying books. Which its ok at.
Yea, I wouldn't think it would work too well, but it is what it is.
it works alright, i mean for satellite internet, and it can't play movies, and i can't go onto some sites for java or flash, possibly both. so i can't log in to AOL or my bank account, but i have gone on this website and many others, i used it for looking at craigslist at work and at a car auction
its not satellite internet. >_<
-.- you know what i mean
I found a diagram that does a pretty good job of explaining who should and who shouldn't buy an iPad:
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/shookdown/iPad.jpg
well i don't know any one named I so i guess that means every one. (come on. i tried to be funny)
Quote from: Scotty on March 01, 2010, 10:17:37 PM
I found a diagram that does a pretty good job of explaining who should and who shouldn't buy an iPad:
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/shookdown/iPad.jpg
Hrmm... I guess. I still think it's better than what people are giving it credit for.
Ipad is out. Any one have one or have anything to say now?
Nope. I don't have it. The more I read and hear about it the more interested I am in it though. I definitely won't get one any time soon, but I can see down the road a ways it being a very usefull tool. If/when it has a bit more flexibility I would prefer this over a laptop/notebook. In an article they talk about a "Third Way" to interact with data. Basically a blend between a phone such as iPhone and a computer. They say that you can't really appreciate until you actually use the iPad. There's something about the size and touch screen that makes it completely natural to use.
http://www.virtualshackles.com/94
Quote from: Scotty on April 07, 2010, 02:49:19 PM
http://www.virtualshackles.com/94
I would agree with this if it is the only thing those devices are used for. I don't agree because those 5 devices can be used for a vast array of other functions. It's the same with people who get computers so they can play solitaire and use a word processor.
You know there is somthing else that matches the ipad. the ds XL.
I was thinking an iPhone, or an actual paperback book, but that works too.
Quote from: ARTgames on April 07, 2010, 05:07:38 PM
You know there is somthing else that matches the ipad. the ds XL.
That doesn't look like it matches at all...
Quote from: Scotty on April 07, 2010, 05:28:58 PM
I was thinking an iPhone, or an actual paperback book, but that works too.
Wait, neither one of those match the iPad in both size and functionality. They might match it on one of the two but not both.
Quote from: Lingus on April 07, 2010, 05:45:51 PM
Quote from: ARTgames on April 07, 2010, 05:07:38 PM
You know there is something else that matches the ipad. the ds XL.
That doesn't look like it matches at all...
Quote from: Scotty on April 07, 2010, 05:28:58 PM
I was thinking an iPhone, or an actual paperback book, but that works too.
Wait, neither one of those match the iPad in both size and functionality. They might match it on one of the two but not both.
That's not what i meant. it was a joke i took.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7Y3iGjGbrg#t=2m45s
I did not mean the dsxl is a replacement for the ipad. :P
iPad is now a hit with animals as well!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9NP-AeKX40
Some school in minnesota dropped a large sum on cash to outfit all the students with Ipads instead of textbooks. Biggest mistake ever. That shit will break and get stolen.
My mom received an Ipad as her anniversary gift. I've used it a bit. Let me confirm what I said earlier. You really can NOT appreciate it until you use it. Everything about how you use it is better than either an iPhone or a laptop. Yes, the functionality is similar (if not exactly the same as an iPhone or Touch) and yes it does not have as many features as a full blown laptop. But, it is far more useful than either. It is much more portable than a laptop in that it is smaller (even smaller than my notebook which is pretty small) and you don't open it up and type on a keyboard or use a mouse. Not only is it smaller than a notebook, but the screen is larger.
And it is more usefull than the iPhone in that it is larger. I would not sit and watch a movie or read a book on the iPhone. Browsing the web is much easier than on the iPhone because the screen is so much bigger. Using the maps feature is really nice. The touch screen technology is actually better and smoother. The on-screen keyboard is far superior almost to the extent of being exactly like a real keyboard (except obviously the keys are flat and not separate, but in accuracy it is very good).
So you basically have the best of both worlds. It is not quite as portable as a phone, but you can very easily carry it along with you in a small case. Especially if you would have been lugging a laptop otherwise such as for work or personal use, this is definitely better. And given the benefit of how much easier it is to use, the downside of its slightly larger size is outweighed.
Now, give me this device with a bit more freedom over what I can put on it and what carrier I can use and it's perfect.
Quote from: Lingus on April 16, 2010, 04:08:21 PM
My mom received an Ipad as her anniversary gift. I've used it a bit. Let me confirm what I said earlier. You really can NOT appreciate it until you use it. Everything about how you use it is better than either an iPhone or a laptop. Yes, the functionality is similar (if not exactly the same as an iPhone or Touch) and yes it does not have as many features as a full blown laptop. But, it is far more useful than either. It is much more portable than a laptop in that it is smaller (even smaller than my notebook which is pretty small) and you don't open it up and type on a keyboard or use a mouse. Not only is it smaller than a notebook, but the screen is larger.
And it is more usefull than the iPhone in that it is larger. I would not sit and watch a movie or read a book on the iPhone. Browsing the web is much easier than on the iPhone because the screen is so much bigger. Using the maps feature is really nice. The touch screen technology is actually better and smoother. The on-screen keyboard is far superior almost to the extent of being exactly like a real keyboard (except obviously the keys are flat and not separate, but in accuracy it is very good).
So you basically have the best of both worlds. It is not quite as portable as a phone, but you can very easily carry it along with you in a small case. Especially if you would have been lugging a laptop otherwise such as for work or personal use, this is definitely better. And given the benefit of how much easier it is to use, the downside of its slightly larger size is outweighed.
Now, give me this device with a bit more freedom over what I can put on it and what carrier I can use and it's perfect.
I would expect that like any Ipod touch/Iphone you can jailbreak it to at least be able to put on it whatever you wish to. Carrier is another matter.
@Lingus
Do you think its a game changer that will change the face of the computing world?
Quote from: ARTgames on April 16, 2010, 05:10:47 PM
@Lingus
Do you think its a game changer that will change the face of the computing world?
Did cavemen think the wheel would change mobility for the future?
Quote from: Scotty on April 16, 2010, 05:13:24 PM
Quote from: ARTgames on April 16, 2010, 05:10:47 PM
@Lingus
Do you think its a game changer that will change the face of the computing world?
Did cavemen think the wheel would change mobility for the future?
Edit:
oops,
Thank you scotty, that is what i meant to say. I know we will not know till later. Did bad wording.
Ill clear it up by adding a "it will".
Do you think it will be a game changer that will change the face of the computing world?
I say no. It's a mac. Because it's a mac it is extremely limited in what it can do. Limits=/=future.
@Seifer
What do you think a game changer would be? (like point to a past thing that you think was a game changer) Game changers seems to mean diffrent things to people. I just want to have an idea what you think it means.
The Jetsons.
I'm not even kidding.
What about The Jetsons?
Quote from: Seifer on April 16, 2010, 04:11:32 PMI would expect that like any Ipod touch/Iphone you can jailbreak it to at least be able to put on it whatever you wish to. Carrier is another matter.
True, but also void the warranty. That's a touchy subject. I agree with you, but I'd also like to see it legitimately more open.
You're right about carrier. You can always get the non-3G version (which is cheaper anyways) and then get a device like a MiFi. If you don't know, this is a mobile wireless hotspot that you can carry with you and allows I think up to 4 or 5 devices to connect to it. So you can get it through Verizon and still use the iPad wirelessly. The only downside is you don't get GPS whereas the 3G version does because it has built in wireless.
Quote from: ARTgames on April 16, 2010, 05:10:47 PM
@Lingus
Do you think its a game changer that will change the face of the computing world?
I'm not sure. I don't think it will change computing so much as how it will change how people interact with their computer. The smartphone was a step in this direction, and people are already widely using those to do much of what they would use the iPad for anyways. So it's not entirely revolutionary. It's more like an upgrade. I would see smartphones and/or laptops as the wheel (and take that further, the personal computer itself is really the wheel with those devices as upgrades). The iPad is just an evolutionary step along the personal computer's timeline. But I do think it will eventually change how people use the personal computer on a very wide basis, and at a very core level.
The Jetsons aired back in 1962-1963 on ABC. How many things do you see on there that exist today technology wise that could have never existed over 40 years ago?
I agree with you scotty, i'm just not sure how that apples to what we are talking about.
@Lingus
Ok thats fine. I can get along with that.
Quote from: Seifer on April 16, 2010, 03:53:45 PM
Some school in minnesota dropped a large sum on cash to outfit all the students with Ipads instead of textbooks. Biggest mistake ever. That shit will break and get stolen.
Probably in Edina.. those rich bastards >_>
I still think it's rather sad how many missed opportunities there are with the iPad. For instance, you'd imagine that a huge advantage it would have over an iPhone/touch is that it is big enough to use as a tablet for drawing and all that stuff. However, due to the touch technology/settings it uses, it is actually pretty much a piece of shit when it comes to any serious art stuff. This is due to the fact that you are limited to only your fingers, and any "stylus" you would get has to have a big fat felty tip that is essentialy the same as a finger. Obviously, this is farrr from practical to anyone serious about artt. My brother is an industrial design major and does drawings and such in photoshop all the time. He was excited about the iPad at first, but after finding that out has no desire for one.
This just came to my mind - The iPad is basically and iPod touch for really fat people whos fingers are to big to use a normal one :P
But really, this is just stupid. If they HAD decided to make it a bit better, and added support for most things used on the interwebz, it couldve been decent.
Quote from: Meiun on April 16, 2010, 06:17:59 PM
I still think it's rather sad how many missed opportunities there are with the iPad. For instance, you'd imagine that a huge advantage it would have over an iPhone/touch is that it is big enough to use as a tablet for drawing and all that stuff. However, due to the touch technology/settings it uses, it is actually pretty much a piece of shit when it comes to any serious art stuff. This is due to the fact that you are limited to only your fingers, and any "stylus" you would get has to have a big fat felty tip that is essentialy the same as a finger. Obviously, this is farrr from practical to anyone serious about artt. My brother is an industrial design major and does drawings and such in photoshop all the time. He was excited about the iPad at first, but after finding that out has no desire for one.
Keep in mind, there are already devices that are for this specific purpose. I don't think the iPad could have competed with those devices, and it is probably smart that they didn't try to. For what the iPad is supposed to do, give you an extremely accurate touch screen that you don't need a stylus to use, it does better than any other device there is.
The flaw in every complaint with the iPad is that it is being compared with other devices. "It's just a big iPhone" "You can't use it as a drawing tablet" "It's not as flexible as a laptop".
Quote from: Lingus on April 16, 2010, 07:47:39 PM
Quote from: Meiun on April 16, 2010, 06:17:59 PM
I still think it's rather sad how many missed opportunities there are with the iPad. For instance, you'd imagine that a huge advantage it would have over an iPhone/touch is that it is big enough to use as a tablet for drawing and all that stuff. However, due to the touch technology/settings it uses, it is actually pretty much a piece of shit when it comes to any serious art stuff. This is due to the fact that you are limited to only your fingers, and any "stylus" you would get has to have a big fat felty tip that is essentialy the same as a finger. Obviously, this is farrr from practical to anyone serious about artt. My brother is an industrial design major and does drawings and such in photoshop all the time. He was excited about the iPad at first, but after finding that out has no desire for one.
Keep in mind, there are already devices that are for this specific purpose. I don't think the iPad could have competed with those devices, and it is probably smart that they didn't try to. For what the iPad is supposed to do, give you an extremely accurate touch screen that you don't need a stylus to use, it does better than any other device there is.
The flaw in every complaint with the iPad is that it is being compared with other devices. "It's just a big iPhone" "You can't use it as a drawing tablet" "It's not as flexible as a laptop".
Heres one more flaw fingerprints. If you're trying to do something in the sun you can't see sh**. Something else just came to my mind scratches. Your paying a load of money on a object that can get scratches all of the screen.
Yea, I've noticed it gets fingerprints. Of course, so would the iPhone. But I haven't seen it in the sun to know if it causes a problem. I imagine screen glare would be an issue even without the fingerprints.
Quote from: Lingus on April 16, 2010, 07:47:39 PM
The flaw in every complaint with the iPad is that it is being compared with other devices. "It's just a big iPhone" "You can't use it as a drawing tablet" "It's not as flexible as a laptop".
Now i do think its far to compart it to a netbook. They both can brows the internet, email, Im, watch videos, read books, has apps, same size and from factor, low power, "cheap", ect. I think its vary logical to compair a netbook to an ipad. I could use an ipad the same places i could use a netbook, on the couch, in bed, on a bus, standing up, etc. Its vary clear that both these things overlap heavily. I mean Steve was dissing the netbook when he reviled this ipad.
Now the point of a netbook is
to do a lot of things ok and for the
cheap. Ware the ipad is on the other side ware
it does less things but
does them better for more money. So they are just on diffrent sides of the same spectrum.
My point on that is that a netbook is a full blown computer. The iPad is not and is not meant to be. Yes, a lot of the features overlap, but you are not meant to install any given program you want on the iPad. It's an apple device. This becomes extremely apparent when you first set it up. Just like an iPod, you have to sync it with a computer. That really changes your opinion of what the device is really meant to do. It can't even function without a computer to sync it up to. So if you think of it more of like an iPod device (but different) then you see where I'm coming from. It's not like any other device...
Quote from: Lingus on April 16, 2010, 09:00:35 PM
My point on that is that a netbook is a full blown computer.
What would be the opposite of that? The ipads os. Other side of the spectrum.Quote from: Lingus on April 16, 2010, 09:00:35 PM
The iPad is not and is not meant to be.
as i said. Other side of the spectrum. does less but better.Quote from: Lingus on April 16, 2010, 09:00:35 PM
Yes, a lot of the features overlap,
That's what matters.Quote from: Lingus on April 16, 2010, 09:00:35 PM
but you are not meant to install any given program you want on the iPad.
As i said "Other side of the spectrum." You can install less apps but better quilt apps. Quote from: Lingus on April 16, 2010, 09:00:35 PM
It's an apple device.
And... my netbook is made by dell.Quote from: Lingus on April 16, 2010, 09:00:35 PM
This becomes extremely apparent when you first set it up. Just like an iPod, you have to sync it with a computer. That really changes your opinion of what the device is really meant to do. It can't even function without a computer to sync it up to. So if you think of it more of like an iPod device (but different) then you see where I'm coming from. It's not like any other device...
So what? I hear you really only need to do that once. It would not be hard in ipad 2 to not even have to do this.
My point is if in every situation you may use an ipad you could use a netbook and likewise And thats all that matter in this discussion. Who cares if its apple and not a full blown os. Think of those as sliders to what a computer is not to wether or not its a computer. Its just a diffrent way to compleat the same job.
So why use an ipad? My answer to that is that the ipad does its jobs better than a netbook it just cant do it all. Its a trade off but i think that's fine.
I also want to make it clear that im not saying the ipad sucks. I think its just the other side of the coin of computers that side. And my gosh darn i would like to have one.Edit: I made my self more clear in a later post. This post here was a bad one and made me think about what i was saying. I left this post here so people know what Seifer was responding to.
I disagree. A netbook/Computer or whatever will do it's job better than an Ipad. Whatever you can do on an Ipad, I can guarantee that you can do it equally or better on a Laptop. The only difference is that the Ipad is touch screen and slightly more mobile.
@Seifer
That's all matter of opinion. I was working with general consensus in my post. There are touch screen netbook coming out. Also use an ipad before saying what you did.
@Lingus
This is how im thinking of it.
The ipad and netbook have vary similar portability.
Ok now lets say the goals of the ipad is to consum content and a netbooks job is to be a full fledged computer. Well a part of being a full fledged computer is to consum content.
Now the ipod job (yes i mean the mp3 player) is to consum content also. But would you repace it with a netbook. No, and i know that. The price and portability of those things are totally diffrent.
But on the ipad size and price to the netbook you can see how they can come in conflict. But the ipad has a good argument on its side because it can do the consum content part vary well to the netbook.
edit:
I think what i need to ask you is "why would you get this over a netbook, or would you get both?"
Quote from: ARTgames on April 16, 2010, 09:26:38 PMThe ipad and netbook have vary similar portability.
I would say you're wrong there. The ipad is much more usefull as a portable device. I can't really explain this part of it. Nothing I can write here will describe how much more usefull it is as a portable device. The only thing I can say is go try one out at the Apple store (or if you know someone that has it).
And btw, I'm not really trying to convince people that the ipad is all awesome and everything. This is just my opinion. I originally thought it wasn't a big deal, but after using it I see how much more usefull it is than a netbook as a portable device.
My earlier point about it not being a full fledged computer is that it doesn't do everything a computer can do. So if you need those features in a portable device, get a netbook. If you just need a portable device that can do most of what a computer can do, than ipad is definitely a better choice.
Oh, and also to respond to your crossed out post above, I don't disagree with anything you said. The only point I'm making is that the ipad is the best combination of portability and usability. A computer has more features, a smart phone is more mobile, but with the ipad you get both in a single device.
Edit:
In reading some articles I found this:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9175594/Designing_apps_for_the_iPad_It_s_not_just_a_big_iPhone?source=toc
I really liked this quote:
Quote"It's a larger iPhone the way a swimming pool is a larger bathtub."
Fine that is fair. Ill hold my judgment till i use one.
Btw, just so no one thinks my opinion is biased, I would also totally love to have this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFKPXg4_Y9w&feature=player_embedded
That's HP's tablet device that uses Windows 7. Obviously doesn't have the form factor that Macs have, but it's much more flexible since it's a PC. I'm curious about the speed. What with the iPad being instant on, I'd hate to use something like this and have to wait for it to load windows.
Then you obviously have other tablets such as Dell and HTC which will supposedly use the Android OS. Then again, that's similar to Apple's, but presumably a bit more open ended.
I think everyone buying an iPad currently and anytime in the coming months will probably regret not waiting to a certain extent. There is a lot of room for growth in the tablet device market since it is so new. But the concept of the device itself is what I'm so excited about. Not the individual specific devices. I'll wait for a more broad range of choices to come out before actually spending money on anything.
Dude, I would love to have a tablet PC that isn't the iPad. I hate Apple's proprietary "my-way-or-no-way" bullshit.
To be honest, I think the best option is to go for something that uses the Android OS. A tablet using Windows just wouldn't be right. Windows is built for a PC with a mouse. The Android and iPhone OS are built to be used on a mobile device with a touch screen. There's a massive difference to how the interface should be given that fact. In that light, given the choice, I'd go for the iPad over the HP. But I'd have to see how the Android tablets are.
I will say i have some hate for apple for no logic reason. But I'm not going to put it of because a lot of people do like there stuff.
As for Android OS table i think there are some coming out. I would like to see those.
Quote from: ARTgames on April 19, 2010, 07:26:41 PM
I will say i have some hate for apple for no logic reason. But I'm not going to put it of because a lot of people do like there stuff.
As for Android OS table i think there are some coming out. I would like to see those.
I like Apple's stuff. I hate Apple. I love my iPhone 3GS. I want Apple to go out of business and die a horrible death.
Quote from: Jake on April 20, 2010, 01:00:27 PMI like Apple's stuff. I hate Apple. I love my iPhone 3GS. I want Apple to go out of business and die a horrible death.
Haha! Seriously. I hate that Apple makes all of these awesome products that I really want to get, but I don't want to get them because they're Apple. Not that I really dislike Apple as a company all that much... but some of the limitations they put on their products I do not agree with and don't want to have to deal with.
Quote from: Lingus on April 20, 2010, 01:10:57 PM
Quote from: Jake on April 20, 2010, 01:00:27 PMI like Apple's stuff. I hate Apple. I love my iPhone 3GS. I want Apple to go out of business and die a horrible death.
Haha! Seriously. I hate that Apple makes all of these awesome products that I really want to get, but I don't want to get them because they're Apple. Not that I really dislike Apple as a company all that much... but some of the limitations they put on their products I do not agree with and don't want to have to deal with.
How can one not dislike them as a company? They're huge dicks. Hell, their strict policies regarding prototypes for their products led to a Chinese man killing himself. I hate everything they stand for. Their iTunes updates install shit nobody !@#$ing wants half the time, like Safari web browser. How many people want it? Not many, yet it was automatically installed when updating your iTunes.
Well, I guess I just don't know much about the company.
But as far as things like itunes, other softwares do that... Apple just does it a lot.
As far as I'm concerned, the sole reason I hate them (supplemented by many other smaller ones) is that I have to work to develop applications that conform to their web browser as well as every other one out there. As a web developer, that's enough to hate a company.
That and I hate how they decide to abandon Flash because they assume that HTML5 will run Adobe's Flash out the back door battered and beaten.
At this point, aren't most browsers different to some extent? So how can you hate any single one over another just for that reason?
And yea, I agree on the whole flash thing. It makes no sense that they don't support Adobe products considering a huge portion of their market is people who use Adobe products. And no flash support just takes that even further since almost everyone uses that.
Quote from: Lingus on April 20, 2010, 03:35:54 PM
At this point, aren't most browsers different to some extent? So how can you hate any single one over another just for that reason?
And yea, I agree on the whole flash thing. It makes no sense that they don't support Adobe products considering a huge portion of their market is people who use Adobe products. And no flash support just takes that even further since almost everyone uses that.
Yep, they're all different (well mostly). That is what makes developing style sheets for them that much more of a pain. So when they are all different, and you need to code for all of them, why not just pick one as your favorite and shun the rest as useless wastes of development? I'll be damned if I have to "like" every browser...
EDIT: And Lingus, that video to HP's product made me laugh rather hard when they were emphasizing so much on how it could use Flash. They ain't no idiots with their marketing!
Okay wait, so that just means Apple's browser is not your favorite. How does it jump from not being your favorite to hating the company for doing exactly what every browser does? I mean, granted I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to hate Apple if you so choose, but that can't be your main reason...
Quote from: Lingus on April 20, 2010, 03:43:07 PM
Okay wait, so that just means Apple's browser is not your favorite. How does it jump from not being your favorite to hating the company for doing exactly what every browser does? I mean, granted I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to hate Apple if you so choose, but that can't be your main reason...
What other reason would I need? They felt compelled to come up with their own browser, they are idiots that I need to conform to now, so I hate them. But this is merely one piece of the hate-pie. I hate how iTunes can easily take all my music and duplicate (and even quadruplicate if it feels squirrely) all of it. I hate how I can't be doing something without having Apple's software updates taking precedence, ultimately interrupting me from masturbation. I hate how when I have a rather large library and try to import it into iTunes, it takes hours, and I CAN NOT do anything else on the computer without it constantly trying to come back to the fore-front of my screen. If I'm typing something, it gets too risky, as the "Cancel" button on the import screen is highlighted, so if I tap the space bar right after it decides to come back to the forefront, I just cancelled a multi-hour import. Rinse repeat about 10 other times until I just give up and go do something productive. I hate how they don't accept Flash, I hate how they can develop every one of their apps for Windows, but won't do any for Linux (SERIOUSLY! They're already on a different operating system to begin with, conforming to Windows, why not go the extra step of porting it to a .deb or .rpm). I hate how out of all their stuff they port to windows, they don't port their iPhone SDK. I hate how they are all so up-tight about security (this poor bastard is as lucky as a unicorn sighting: http://gizmodo.com/5520438/how-apple-lost-the-next-iphone ). God I could go on all evening with this.
Quote from: Scotty on April 20, 2010, 03:40:05 PMEDIT: And Lingus, that video to HP's product made me laugh rather hard when they were emphasizing so much on how it could use Flash. They ain't no idiots with their marketing!
Yea. That, and the webcam (which looks freaking awesome on a tablet, btw. I seriously don't understand how Apple failed to put a webcam on the iPad.)
Quote from: Scotty on April 20, 2010, 04:00:25 PM
Quote from: Lingus on April 20, 2010, 03:43:07 PM
Okay wait, so that just means Apple's browser is not your favorite. How does it jump from not being your favorite to hating the company for doing exactly what every browser does? I mean, granted I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to hate Apple if you so choose, but that can't be your main reason...
What other reason would I need? They felt compelled to come up with their own browser, they are idiots that I need to conform to now, so I hate them. But this is merely one piece of the hate-pie. I hate how iTunes can easily take all my music and duplicate (and even quadruplicate if it feels squirrely) all of it. I hate how I can't be doing something without having Apple's software updates taking precedence, ultimately interrupting me from masturbation. I hate how when I have a rather large library and try to import it into iTunes, it takes hours, and I CAN NOT do anything else on the computer without it constantly trying to come back to the fore-front of my screen. If I'm typing something, it gets too risky, as the "Cancel" button on the import screen is highlighted, so if I tap the space bar right after it decides to come back to the forefront, I just cancelled a multi-hour import. Rinse repeat about 10 other times until I just give up and go do something productive. I hate how they don't accept Flash, I hate how they can develop every one of their apps for Windows, but won't do any for Linux (SERIOUSLY! They're already on a different operating system to begin with, conforming to Windows, why not go the extra step of porting it to a .deb or .rpm). I hate how out of all their stuff they port to windows, they don't port their iPhone SDK. I hate how they are all so up-tight about security (this poor bastard is as lucky as a unicorn sighting: http://gizmodo.com/5520438/how-apple-lost-the-next-iphone ). God I could go on all evening with this.
Well, like I said, there's plenty of reasons (which you have listed here) but hating them for having a different browser... I dunno. But I totally agree that you are justified in everything you are saying here. I guess I just don't feel this kind of thing is exclusive to Apple. They certainly do this kind of crap a lot though.
Here we go: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/04/nyt-google-android-tablet-imminent/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=feed%3awired%2findexwired%3aindex3topstories2
Google's tablet using the Android OS. That will most likely be the best competition for the iPad. Considering Google owns the world.
The fact that Google is very pro open source I think everyone who is hating on the iPad will very much like Google's tablet.
Considering I use Google docs and gmail and Google reader, I'm thinking I may end up going this route. I'm just curious how the device itself will hold up.
I also hate how when I just want to charge my phone on my computer, they open up iTunes, back up all my shit, check for updates, and I can't even close out of the shit. If somebody knows how to stop this from happening automatically, please tell me.
Wait, wait... here's the best reason to hate Apple: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/04/free-iphone-apps-theres-an-ad-for-that/
Basically, they are selling devices preloaded with adware on it so they can make buttloads of recurring revenue on a device they already ... That makes a whole shit load of sense doesn't it? People spend money on anti-ad/spyware software. Why the crap would we buy a device with adware built in?
You think that's bad:
http://www.htlounge.net/art/11930/ban-on-cross-compiling-code-for-iphone-due-to-updates-and-quality.html
Apple does not let people use certain tools to make there applications. Or basically its like kicking a chair out of a store because it was made with a hammer they did not like.
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2010/04/26/100426ta_talk_kimball
nuff said.