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Started by Chaos, March 04, 2010, 10:27:51 PM

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Chaos

Let's have a little thought exercise, shall we?

A man's wife is dieing and she needs a certain medicine that is far too expensive for them.  The man begs for the medicine, but is told that it required a lot of money to develop this medicine and it cannot be given away.  So, the man steals the medicine for his wife.

Was he right or wrong to steal the medicine, and why do you think so?

(Answer both questions, or don't answer at all.  Don't debate other people's answers.  For now, just post yours.)
Jake says:
lol, I found God! He was hiding under a big rock this entire time that lil jokster

Ciro

I say he is in his right mind to have stolen the medicine. The act of preserving life is one of the most basic, and first instincts all living creatures possess, and as humans we see the need to preserve both ourselves and others.

But if we're talking modern sense, I think that the medicine of today is far too over priced, and has been over come with greed, therefore it's more about getting money than saving lives.

The man's intentions were pure.

Torch

If the primary goal is the man's wife's survival, stealing the medicine was the best possible choice. Whether or not you value the life of the wife over the laws and moral codes against stealing is entirely up to opinion.

Mr Pwnage

He was right to steal the medicine because he is saving life at the expense of money, (by stealing it) not at the expense of somebody else's life. Life > Money
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11clock

I think it would normally be wrong to steal, but in a situation where it is necessary to save someone's life, it's right.

If someone you love dearly is dieing then you must do whatever is necessary to save him/her. Love is more important than money. What the man did was right because he was doing what basically anyone else would do in a similar situation, and what I said in the previous sentence.

Scotty

#5
Quote from: Chaos on March 04, 2010, 10:27:51 PMWas he right or wrong to steal the medicine,

Wrong.

Quote from: Chaos on March 04, 2010, 10:27:51 PMand why do you think so?

She should have died.  Sure, walk around and condone activity like that, pretty soon you'll have your neighbor tapping your gas tank because he couldn't afford the fuel prices, but he has to get to work in the morning, or else he can't afford the food he needs to feed his family and they'll ultimately starve.  She should have died, and he thinks he just beat fate.  Just wait until she heals up, goes outside to grab the paper, and gets hit by the bus.  I'll laugh, when he gets the news in prison.

Jake


leviofoley

Is this supposed to be a difficult question?
He was right. Like Mr. Pwnage said, Life > Money.  Stealing the medicine is a property crime, not stealing it is an omission that leads to someone's death.
I don't think you're going to get anyone to answer otherwise ('cept Scotty).

Seifer

It's wrong. It's against the law, nuff said.

With this in mind though, that system is flawed and pathetic. America's health system needs to.. as we can put it "grow up" and stop being a greedy bitch. That doesen't happen in canada, or europe or anywhere else with a decent health system for that matter. If your dying, the government should help you, not just go Oh your poor, tooo bad!

Not to mention it's a stupid system anyways, because if the government keeps the person alive they will continue to contribute to society, taxes, etc etc.

Chaos

@Leviofoley:  Do not question the question.  Only answer it.

Do not read any farther into the question than what is presented. 
Jake says:
lol, I found God! He was hiding under a big rock this entire time that lil jokster

Lucifer

#10
I don't know. If the medicine was unique or very limited, I'd say it was wrong for him to think that his wife was more important than the life that could have been saved. But if there were a lot of this medicine, then I would say it was morally wrong for the company to charge so much for it in the first place.

ARTgames

We base life off being so special just because we don't want to loose it our self's. When in reality meaning, reason, right and wrong, etc, are just values we make up to suet the one thing we really try and retain. And that thing is happiness. We are all selfish and do things to maintain our happiness. Even when giving your life for another you did that because you thought that was best and world have a better payoff and makes you happier then if you did not. Even killing ones self is an act of choosing that death is better then living. Or in other words makes you more happy.

happiness, what it does is tries to set up a ground that will be the best in persevering this thing we know of as life. Buts its got its imperfections like everything in this world. But without it we would not be here.

happiness tells me that's a good thing i have it. But in reality its the same as everything else and just sits on the brink of our existing world doing what it does. Meaning is an illusion set up by happiness because that's what life does. Like how fire is hot and space is empty.

skip here for my answer and don't want to read my bad writing! With that in mind my happiness tells me if i saw this randomly in real life and i know nothing about them except for what you said in the paragraph then i would not know what to think. The reason why is because i know too little about the whole thing.

Chaos

@Art:  Refer to my previous post.  Do not read farther into the question than what is presented.
Jake says:
lol, I found God! He was hiding under a big rock this entire time that lil jokster

Ciro

Who's to say that the law set forth by the government is right? Yes, in the 10 commandments it says not to steal, but it also says not to murder. Would the person who owns the medicine not be taking the life of the woman's if he keeps it from her because of his greed for money?

And if the medicine is over priced, he might as well be stealing himself. The man who sells the medicine should keep the price at something that is affordable to the ones who need it, otherwise it defeats the purpose of owning it, unless of course you're expecting to cheat someone of their money.

and @Seifer

Canada's health system has been severely criticized, as quoted from wiki;

The median wait time in Canada to see a special physician is a little over four weeks with 89.5% waiting less than 3 months.
The median wait time for diagnostic services such as MRI and CAT scans is two weeks with 86.4% waiting less than 3 months.
The median wait time for surgery is four weeks with 82.2% waiting less than 3 months.
Another study by the Commonwealth Fund found that 57% of Canadians reported waiting 4 weeks or more to see a specialist, broadly in line with the current official statistics; 24% of Canadians waited 4 hours or more in the emergency room.

If you have to wait that long, and something is critical, then there's more possibility for something to go wrong during that large gap of time. Which makes Canada's Health Care System not as efficient as one would hope for it to be.

But, I personally think that Canada in the long run has better health care than the US. Despite there being shortages of medication, I'm sure that the proof of the longer life expectancy supports Canada's reasoning.


And @Luci

You have a good point.
That is all Xp

ARTgames

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@chaos
I did not.

read:
Quote from: me....if i saw this randomly in real life and i know nothing about them except for what you said in the paragraph.....

The rest on top is just what i think about life. I thought it was somewhat on topic.  :P maybe i should have saved that for a different topic.