I've been thinking of getting Minecraft for a while now, but then this review came out and essentially shat all over the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap87xnjOh8E&feature=feedbul
What are your opinions on this? Is this really how Minecraft is?
Kinda like a boring mono tone sarcastic gamer. I think he's just going for "look i criticize the things you all like" move.
The game does have problems and its still buggy. But yeah if you like sandbox building games you will like this. I have been playing for over a year and we have a topic that's over 100+ pages on it here. To me its absolutely worth more than price. Looking at the website they are up to 4 million sold.
So yes. Get it.
The Best Gamers are pretty much sarcastic in every review. Check out their Deus Ex HR 'review'.
I think Clint Eastwood put it best as Dirty Harry, opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one, or in this dude's case, many. They're his opinions. To me, his credibility was ruined at the very end when he said he can't recommend this to anyone, not for the retail price, the app store price, or (the kicker) free. At that point, when he claims if the opportunity arose to play the game for free, that you shouldn't, that shows to me hostility towards it, and every suspicion that I had that his review seemed rather subjective was justified.
Also, he keeps throwing around "Final version" or whatever it was, as though it will never see another update. He never claimed there was never going to be another update, so he saved himself there, but Mojang has made it very clear they intend to continue development... And hopefully fix some of the mother-!@#$ing bugs!
To me, this sounds like a genuinely boring, non-humorous version of the escapist's Yahtzee reviews.
i liked the part where everyone voted no to go to minecon and he bumped it up to 140$. Really i never liked notch and this whole drama going on with the yogcast has just confirmed my suspicions, hes a fat jerk whos a jerk.
I laughed at how they were ripping on this games, yet one of the guys was level 110.
These reveiwers are very bad IMO. They do not see that people put time into making games for them. They did not even mention creativity and building that much also.
And ROCKCOCK64...? What kind of fag name is that?
These guys are satirical, and have done this for pretty much any game to receive popular attention. It's incredibly simple to gain views/attention by playing the devil's advocate, especially for something well loved by millions. Whether they truly believe what they are saying about the games, I dunno. I went to their forums once just to read around... and I still wasn't sure. I'm pretty sure they do it just for the kicks and to see how many people they can bait into getting angry.
But man, oh man, should I never read the youtube comments. I don't understand how so many people can't understand the simple idea of an "OPINION". I just love the idea that "You're stupid because you enjoy something that I don't enjoy". Herp derp.
@Scott: And the funny thing is, yahtzee DID like Minecraft.
@TANK: Your loss at disliking one of the few nice developers that actually gives a shit about the people who play his game.
@Yankyal: Didn't read the review, don't care. The game is fun.
I think one of the reasons the game is so successful, other than being unique in game play style is the attempts by the developer(s) at Mojang to constantly reach out to customers. Notch has his own blog that he posts regularly to, his own twitter which has untold numbers of followers, we get a level of knowledge about the future development of games, that you don't get with any of the mainstream companies out there.
The appeal that I get from the game is the challenge of creating large structures. Ask anyone here who was involved with my last big city we constructed around 4 or 5 mountain tops. That thing was nothing short of a masterpiece that when you looked at it from a distance, you can't help but wonder how much work it required. That's what appeals to me about the game. Oh, and in case I never said it before, thanks to all the folks that helped construct that town.
Notice how he had nothing good to say about Minecraft? He only wanted to point out the flaws. Annoys me that some nub cakes were making comments such as "I used to like Minecraft but after watching this I now realize how bad it is. Minecraft sucks!"
*face palm
Quote from: Scotty on November 25, 2011, 12:48:49 PM
I think Clint Eastwood put it best as Dirty Harry, opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one, or in this dude's case, many. They're his opinions. To me, his credibility was ruined at the very end when he said he can't recommend this to anyone, not for the retail price, the app store price, or (the kicker) free. At that point, when he claims if the opportunity arose to play the game for free, that you shouldn't, that shows to me hostility towards it, and every suspicion that I had that his review seemed rather subjective was justified.
Also, he keeps throwing around "Final version" or whatever it was, as though it will never see another update. He never claimed there was never going to be another update, so he saved himself there, but Mojang has made it very clear they intend to continue development... And hopefully fix some of the mother-!@#$ing bugs!
To me, this sounds like a genuinely boring, non-humorous version of the escapist's Yahtzee reviews.
His criticism was that it costs $30 but plays like a totally unfinished game, which from what I can see is totally true. I DO remember the promises Notch was making for the retail release from r/Minecraft and /v/, and it doesn't look like he didn't follow through on most of those.
What I've got from this thread tl;dr is that Minecraft relies on creativity of the fans and the sense of community it can give. It looks like Notch just made a skeleton of a game and the community made the actual game through mods and suggestions via Twitter or Reddit...and I've already been told that without mods, vanilla minecraft is mediocre.
Well, Minecraft WAS originally all about building, and regardless of whatever this guy says, you can make AMAZING things. And some of the stuff thats natural in my server is extraordinary. Seriously, Mountains rising out of the ocean makes awesome landscapes.
Quote from: Yankyal on November 26, 2011, 04:34:02 AM
His criticism was that it costs $30 but plays like a totally unfinished game, which from what I can see is totally true. I DO remember the promises Notch was making for the retail release from r/Minecraft and /v/, and it doesn't look like he didn't follow through on most of those.
What I've got from this thread tl;dr is that Minecraft relies on creativity of the fans and the sense of community it can give. It looks like Notch just made a skeleton of a game and the community made the actual game through mods and suggestions via Twitter or Reddit...and I've already been told that without mods, vanilla minecraft is mediocre.
He did indeed build a platform form which many fan made stuff has been made. And to some people mods is Minecraft. Which is cool if you don't like vanilla you can change it till you do.
But this is all a matter of opinions. I personally like vanilla and play it the most. I also like the mods. And I also think that blob of binary that notch calls Minecraft regardless of the state people think its in is worth $30. But that's me. Even if you hate Minecraft vanilla and like the mods its still best to buy the game because the platform its self has value.
Really just try the game. Do you really want to? Its only way to really find out.
QuoteHis criticism was that it costs $30
Boohoo. Should have bought it those 2 years when it was 10-20 dollars. ::)
Quotebut plays like a totally unfinished game,
Considering it's STILL being updated, it technically is an unfinished game. What exactly are we deeming "totally unfinished", here? Playable? Cause it's been that for over a year already. Something to do? Hell, the game is a !@#$ing sandbox. 'Things to do' is only limited by how much people are willing to think, which I guess would explain most modern gamers problems with the game WHOOPSDIDIJUSTSAYTHATOUTLOUD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otjanp9aXgw)? End game content or some sort of goal? OHSNAP, as of last week's official release, it has THAT TOO.
Okay, so you got me, what the !@#$ are we talking about here?
Quoteand I've already been told that without mods, vanilla minecraft is mediocre.
Congratulations, you've been told what to believe. Meanwhile, I've played the game, and I PLAY vanilla, and I'm calling bullshit. If you don't want to play the game, that's fine. Don't play it.
I'll just say "your loss" and get back to my game.
(That game being Skyrim, BECAUSEHOLYSHITIT'S!@#$INGAWESOME. :3)I think I may have a problem...
The $30 dollar price tag may or may not be extreme dependent on what you expect out of the game. The reviewer seems to expect a full fledged action/rpg with sandbox building a bonus, thus he is disappointed. I think $30 is acceptable for the game's current state. If you cut out all the opinionated BS in the article, all the facts that he present are true if you are curious.
You will find villages, NPC's are purely cosmetic, the AI of monsters and pets is shoddy at best, and there are several things that mods have developed which Notch has taken and implemented. His accusations that Notch isn't an artist thus things like pigs, sheep, and dragons look like crap is nothing but his sour opinion. I never once looked at the animals and thought to myself "In this day and age of NPC sprite realism, it is unacceptable to have anything short of Skyrim-level detail in a lego-blocky voxel game."
If you're paying $30 dollars to play single player alone, you'll probably wind up disappointed, it's when you get teamwork going, and get a large group of people kicking ass on a huge project, that's when it pays off.
Quote from: Chaos on November 26, 2011, 09:24:01 AM
QuoteHis criticism was that it costs $30
Boohoo. Should have bought it those 2 years when it was 10-20 dollars. ::)
So it's punishment for not buying it during beta?
Quote from: Chaos on November 26, 2011, 09:24:01 AM
Quotebut plays like a totally unfinished game,
Considering it's STILL being updated, it technically is an unfinished game. What exactly are we deeming "totally unfinished", here? Playable? Cause it's been that for over a year already. Something to do? Hell, the game is a !@#$ing sandbox. 'Things to do' is only limited by how much people are willing to think, which I guess would explain most modern gamers problems with the game WHOOPSDIDIJUSTSAYTHATOUTLOUD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otjanp9aXgw)? End game content or some sort of goal? OHSNAP, as of last week's official release, it has THAT TOO.
Okay, so you got me, what the !@#$ are we talking about here?
Compared to the shit other games get on release date, I think everyone is going reaaaally easy on Minecraft because it had such great potential during alpha.
Quote from: Chaos on November 26, 2011, 09:24:01 AM
Quoteand I've already been told that without mods, vanilla minecraft is mediocre.
Congratulations, you've been told what to believe. Meanwhile, I've played the game, and I PLAY vanilla, and I'm calling bullshit. If you don't want to play the game, that's fine. Don't play it.
I'll just say "your loss" and get back to my game.
Well unless this reviewer was straight up lying to me, the game does look mediocre. I just wanted to know if this reviewer was bullshitting what he said about the game so far, and from what I've read so far it looks like he wasn't lying at all, but just presenting the facts in a biased manner.
I wouldn't say biased is the right word. It certainly works as a catch all phrase, but the review seems to be more from a person who just came from a $60 dollar game (e.g. Skyrim) with high expectations and not much interest in sandbox type games.
Quote from: Scotty on November 26, 2011, 02:09:18 PM
I wouldn't say biased is the right word. It certainly works as a catch all phrase, but the review seems to be more from a person who just came from a $60 dollar game (e.g. Skyrim) with high expectations and not much interest in sandbox type games.
That's his issue I think, and he really does come off as a dick in the video. But the opposite is also a problem, people don't hold Minecraft to the same standards as they would to another released game. Remember when BF3 came out and everyone nonstop criticized the company for little things, like the tactical light? Or the origin support? This was the DAY of release, and they were !@#$ing ruthless with the game. And with Blizzard when Cataclysm came out, every little thing was picked out and used to insult Blizzard. Mists of Pandaria hasn't even come out and people are already hating Blizzard for it.
Mojang is a multi-million dollar company but no one seems to expect things from them like they would with anyone else because of how sweet it sounded in alpha.
Quote from: Yankyal on November 26, 2011, 02:33:27 PM
Mojang is a multi-million dollar company but no one seems to expect things from them like they would with anyone else because of how sweet it sounded in alpha.
The thing is, I hate to compare this to any other company or game. While Mojang is a multi-million dollar company, they also operate much differently than the other companies. Take EA for instance, they are known for creating a lot of the high-end games you say people criticize. They are also known for working their employees like slaves, having them clock 60+ hour weeks to meet an unrealistic deadline, paying salary so they can't give out overtime. then let the majority of them go after the release. These big companies are known for developing patches for their games that are broken (to some extent, Alice anyone?) without the patch, and have no intention of incorporating it in the release, but weeks after the release, so they aren't tied up with getting it fixed and risk missing the deadline. The giant corporate video game businesses are legitimate businesses that are concerned about ratings, sales, and increasing the size of their purse, nothing more, or at least that's the perception they've given time and time again.
Notch and Mojang seem to take a much more personable approach to running a business. Sure, they had to axe things before release, as I'm certain every game has, but I always got more of a vibe that this is the sort of person I could meet one day on the street and get a genuine smile out of him with a strong handshake that you wouldn't get from some pencil pushing CEO who doesn't know any of their greatest assets (a.k.a. fans).
To compare Mojang to Blizzard or EA is similar to comparing oranges to kumquats. They're both a similar color (same goals), both are classified as fruits (make games), but come from two different parts of the world (figuratively and literally), and have two distinctly different flavors. Such are the ways of indie developers.
Quote from: Scotty on November 26, 2011, 03:05:40 PM
Quote from: Yankyal on November 26, 2011, 02:33:27 PM
Mojang is a multi-million dollar company but no one seems to expect things from them like they would with anyone else because of how sweet it sounded in alpha.
To compare Mojang to Blizzard or EA is similar to comparing oranges to kumquats. They're both a similar color (same goals), both are classified as fruits (make games), but come from two different parts of the world (figuratively and literally), and have two distinctly different flavors. Such are the ways of indie developers.
Fruit analogies are so over-powered. :/
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on November 26, 2011, 03:16:45 PM
Quote from: Scotty on November 26, 2011, 03:05:40 PM
Quote from: Yankyal on November 26, 2011, 02:33:27 PM
Mojang is a multi-million dollar company but no one seems to expect things from them like they would with anyone else because of how sweet it sounded in alpha.
To compare Mojang to Blizzard or EA is similar to comparing oranges to kumquats. They're both a similar color (same goals), both are classified as fruits (make games), but come from two different parts of the world (figuratively and literally), and have two distinctly different flavors. Such are the ways of indie developers.
Fruit analogies are so over-powered. :/
Thought it was somewhat relevant and easy considering the circumstances of currently drinking a delicious "The Bruery" collaboration series beer with Dogfish head that was brewed with kumquats.
You asked are opinions and we all said we liked it. If the game is mediocre or not is up to the user. He thinks its mediocre, I don't. No one's lying here.
Regardless to what ever standers you hold Minecraft up to I still enjoy it when I play it and think its worth the price. And that's all that matters. If all you care about is how people review games you can point and criticize/parse any game for any reason.
I find reviews almost completely useless by themselves if there not factual. I just look for some one who is consistent in reviewing games. Compare their opinions to mine in past games we have both played. Then use how we differ when he reviews something I have not played to have a better idea if I like it or not.
Quote from: Yankyal on November 26, 2011, 02:33:27 PM
Mojang is a multi-million dollar company but no one seems to expect things from them like they would with anyone else because of how sweet it sounded in alpha.
I compare games for what they are alone. Not how much money a game studio has in the bank. They can have all the money in the world and the game can still be suck or awesome.
I myself is also not judging it because of how "sweet" the ideas of what Minecraft could be. I'm judging in on what I can do now.
Quote from: ARTgames on November 26, 2011, 03:25:52 PM
You asked are opinions and we all said we liked it. If the game is mediocre or not is up to the user. He thinks its mediocre, I don't. No one's lying here.
Regardless to what ever standers you hold Minecraft up to I still enjoy it when I play it and think its worth the price. And that's all that matters. If all you care about is how people review games you can point and criticize/parse any game for any reason.
I find reviews almost completely useless by themselves if there not factual. I just look for some one who is consistent in reviewing games. Compare their opinions to mine in past games we have both played. Then use how we differ when he reviews something I have not played to have a better idea if I like it or not.
Quote from: Yankyal on November 26, 2011, 02:33:27 PM
Mojang is a multi-million dollar company but no one seems to expect things from them like they would with anyone else because of how sweet it sounded in alpha.
I compare games for what they are alone. Not how much money a game studio has in the bank. They can have all the money in the world and the game can still be suck or awesome.
I myself is also not judging it because of how "sweet" the ideas of what Minecraft could be. I'm judging in on what I can do now.
Didn't ask whether or not you liked it, I was just asking if the things he said in the video were lies or not. I know what the definition of an opinion is and I understand that people like things I don't, and that reviews are also opinion. I don't care whether the reviewer loves it or not, I was just wondering if all the issues he had with the game were for real. He could have just been exaggerating or just plain wrong with all his complaints, so I wanted to make sure.
Edit: made lots of them
So you want to know the facts. I'm ok with that. what concerns you about the game and I can give you a yay or nay if its really in the game or not :) Since now I have a better understanding of what you want
When it comes down to it, the details really don't matter. Is it unfinished? Sure. Were promises unfulfilled? Sure. Did he incorporate user ideas? Sure. (Because, that's a bad thing... right?) Is the reviewer lying? Doubtful. Is the reviewer nitpicking? Definitely.
Personally, I don't play vanilla or modded Minecraft anymore. I have no issues in particular with the game, I just need a solid, stable, purpose behind my resource collecting to sustain my interest. In my search for such a thing I've found that Minecraft is an excellent base for Role Play, and I've participated in several Role Play servers in the past; specifically attempts to replicate a Medieval Society by removing Minecraft's monsters and supporting a large player base for constant political intrigue and epic massive battles.
In summary, if you're creative $30 is a steal. If you aren't, well, there's always World of Warcraft.
Quote from: Lucifer on November 26, 2011, 11:53:16 PM
In my search for such a thing I've found that Minecraft is an excellent base for Role Play, and I've participated in several Role Play servers in the past; specifically attempts to replicate a Medieval Society by removing Minecraft's monsters and supporting a large player base for constant political intrigue and epic massive battles.
elaborate, where can I find out more.