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Title: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Meiun on March 20, 2013, 08:27:32 PM
Anyone else pick this game up for the Wii U/3DS? Really fantastic game in a fantastic series, and there is a great amount of new content and improvements over it's previous iteration (Monster Hunter Tri for the Wii). If anyone is interested in playing online sometime, let me know :)
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: crozier on March 20, 2013, 10:03:26 PM
Yep, I bought this game for my little brother. He is enjoying it. The beginning is a lot like tri, but I'm sure it'll get a bit more interesting. The new weapons are slick though. Dual blades? Sign me up. Anyway, if I do start playing soon I'm sure I will go down the katana path, cause katanas in tri were really wicked. Tri was a great game in general, and seeing that my family sold it years ago, it will be nice doing some monster hunting. I'm sure this game will eat up many hours XD
But what I am really looking forward on the Wii U is Pikmin 3 and the next Super Smash Bros game. Those will be the stars on the u, methinks. Everything else, other than monster hunter, is likely gonna be so-so.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Chaos111 on March 20, 2013, 10:53:54 PM
I plan on buying it for the Wii, but I have never really played any other Monster Hunter games. I played Tri for like 10 minutes...
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: T-Rok on March 21, 2013, 01:36:11 AM
Bought it for the Wii U and 3DS. The data transfer feature was a really great idea because now I can also play at work and use that data at home/online. And yet I still haven't been able to play it. Stupid busy days at work.

@crozier: you never saw the dual blades before? Cause I'm positive they existed in either Freedom Unite or Portable 2G. Can't recall which. Mmm and I hope the Switch Axe makes a return.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Scotty on March 21, 2013, 01:53:00 AM
Well cock...  Here I was waiting for Nintendo's downright horrendous Wii U sales to cause a price cut in the console before I bought into it...

Looks like with this I'm going to be dropping full price on the console and getting this game.  I'm already expecting them to cut the price the month following my investment.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Meiun on March 21, 2013, 11:11:02 AM
Quote from: Scotty on March 21, 2013, 01:53:00 AM
Well cock...  Here I was waiting for Nintendo's downright horrendous Wii U sales to cause a price cut in the console before I bought into it...

Looks like with this I'm going to be dropping full price on the console and getting this game.  I'm already expecting them to cut the price the month following my investment.
I really wouldn't be too concerned with a price cut quite yet. The Wii U had a reasonably succesful launch due to a reasonably good launch lineup of games. Now they are in a dry period for new game releases, which makes it no surprise that the current sales are sucking. But they have already announced a massive number of new big name games via numerous Nintendo Direct episodes (including two Zelda games, multiple new mario based games, new smash bros, Pikmin 3, a DLC expansion pack to New Super Mario Bros. U, and a whole ton of other big name games).

They've been down this road before with the 3DS's horrific first year, but as soon as Nintendo got a few good first party games out, the 3DS began it's ongoing process of blowing most other gaming systems out of the water with sales. Though, the 3DS did start off it's success streak with an early price cut as well, so who knows. All I know for certain is that it seems that they have a pretty strong future planned when it comes to the games.

But as far as I'm concerned, Monster Hunter is reason enough to justify getting the system :)

Quote from: T-Rok on March 21, 2013, 01:36:11 AM
Mmm and I hope the Switch Axe makes a return.
The switch axe is indeed in this game, but it was also in the non-ultimate edition for the original Wii :P
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: venuse on March 21, 2013, 04:50:55 PM
im getting the 3ds version
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: crozier on March 21, 2013, 05:53:45 PM
@T-Rok, neah bro, I have never owned a PSP or (any of the) playstations, so its new to me :D
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Scotty on March 21, 2013, 06:43:04 PM
Quote from: Meiun on March 21, 2013, 11:11:02 AM
I really wouldn't be too concerned with a price cut quite yet. The Wii U had a reasonably succesful launch due to a reasonably good launch lineup of games. Now they are in a dry period for new game releases, which makes it no surprise that the current sales are sucking. But they have already announced a massive number of new big name games via numerous Nintendo Direct episodes (including two Zelda games, multiple new mario based games, new smash bros, Pikmin 3, a DLC expansion pack to New Super Mario Bros. U, and a whole ton of other big name games).

I don't want to get too far off topic, but reports are indicating that it's far worse than what you might think.

http://goo.gl/q0NHa

QuoteWhile NPD no longer releases US hardware sales data every month, a representative for the tracking firm told Gamasutra that US sales in the system's first three months were down 38 percent compared to the same period for the Wii. That would mean the Wii U has sold approximately 940,000 units through January in the US.

Combine that with the 890,000 Wii U units Nintendo has said were sold in November and December of 2012, and you get a US sales figure of about 50,000 in January alone. That gels with reports from others sources with access to NPD's internal data, who claim the Wii U sold "well under" 100,000 units for the month.

That's not just a new year's slump?it's historically bad performance for any system, in any month. Since 2005, none of the current generation systems have shown sales numbers that low in a single month. Even during its slow decline last year, the aging Wii managed to sell about 67,000 units in a very weak October. The PS3 bottomed out at about 82,000 units April and May of 2007, while it was still in its early, overpriced days.

http://goo.gl/5oR4u

QuoteThe Wii U?s track record for poorer-than-expected sales grows longer after February, when only 64,000 consoles went off store shelves in the US, according to a report from NPD Group. This is a major shortfall from Nintendo?s sales projections at launch?the company thought it would sell nearly two million units per month worldwide from the beginning of January through the end of March.

That's bad... Like... Real, real bad (they sold 3.2% of what they expected in February, up from 2.5% in January).  I'm convinced the only reason they haven't dropped the price yet is because they're still trying to figure out how to not go in the negative with every unit built since it actually costs more to manufacture each unit than what they sell it for.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Meiun on March 21, 2013, 11:47:12 PM
For those interested (T-Rok most specifically), the data transfer program to transfer data between the Wii U and 3DS is now out for download (and free). There is also a Wii U program that apparently serves as a packet relay station to allow you to play the 3DS version online, when it was otherwise restricted to just local multiplayer modes. The Wii U version ofcourse already has native online play.

Quote from: Scotty on March 21, 2013, 06:43:04 PM
I don't want to get too far off topic, but reports are indicating that it's far worse than what you might think.
Apparently so. But very few people (hardcore Nintendo fans like myself aside) are going to buy a highly expensive system that has had almost zero high profile (let alone many low profile) for about three out of the four-ish months it has been out. So while that is certainly bad news, and damage may already be done, I still think that they can turn it around with the onslaught of new big-name games they have on their way. It certainly shouldn't deter people from picking up Monster Hunter either way :P
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Matty_Richo on March 22, 2013, 07:55:35 AM
I'm considering getting this game for Wii U but I must say that the demo was a bit of a let down, the first mission (haven't played the water one yet) seemed really repetitive and a bit tedious. Is the rest of the game similar to this?
If I do end up getting it I would love to set up some online play with you guys, and if anyone has Tekken Wii U I'd love to play some of that with you as well.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Meiun on March 22, 2013, 09:38:27 AM
Quote from: Matty_Richo on March 22, 2013, 07:55:35 AM
I'm considering getting this game for Wii U but I must say that the demo was a bit of a let down, the first mission (haven't played the water one yet) seemed really repetitive and a bit tedious. Is the rest of the game similar to this?
If I do end up getting it I would love to set up some online play with you guys, and if anyone has Tekken Wii U I'd love to play some of that with you as well.
I found the demo's to be a horrible representation of the game as a whole. If I hadn't known anything about the game prior to playing the demo, I wouldn't have been particularly impressed either. It flings you into a random (already pretty much initiated fight), partway into the game. Then, the demo as soon as the monster dies. The game draws a large bit of it's appeal from the immensely satisfying mechanics they have invented for earning everything you have, an aspect (among many others) that wasn't shown at all in the demo. You do spend a lot of your time traversing many of the same areas, and potentially fighting some of the same monsters for missions, but I have never once been bored or felt that sense of senseless repetition that you get in a lot of other games. The full game does start off a bit slower this time than some of the previous games, but I'm guessing that it is just Capcom trying to ease new players into what ends up being a very challenging game. Long story short, it really has many layers of complexity that weren't shown at all in the demo.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Scotty on March 22, 2013, 10:44:40 AM
Quote from: Matty_Richo on March 22, 2013, 07:55:35 AM
I'm considering getting this game for Wii U but I must say that the demo was a bit of a let down, the first mission (haven't played the water one yet) seemed really repetitive and a bit tedious. Is the rest of the game similar to this?
If I do end up getting it I would love to set up some online play with you guys, and if anyone has Tekken Wii U I'd love to play some of that with you as well.

I haven't played Ultimate, but I can say that if it even matches the regular Monster Hunter 3, let alone exceeding it, it is well worth the money.  If you don't mind fast-paced combat where you do have to dodge, maneuver, time your attacks, and learn to run (in what I thought was a rather hysterical fashion in 3) when you realize you done gone over your head (which will happen, a lot at first as you get acclimated), this game is for you.  It really does pull you in, and like Meiun said, you earn everything you get in the game.  You're literally gutting your enemies for supplies for the next set of gear.  Very little time is spent trying to grind for currency, when you can just get the materials and make the gear.  It can cause a bit of grind for materials though, but I enjoy the variety of the game's grind.  Just when you think you've mastered this one random monster, he'll stumble into a new area you haven't fought him in yet, and you're in for a whole new fight.

There's very few games that will cause me to go out and buy a console exclusively for that game.  MGS for Sony's Playstation....   Uh.... Nothing for the XBox.... and Monster Hunter for Nintendo.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: venuse on March 22, 2013, 09:55:14 PM
woot my copy just came in the mail

edit- tried it for a bit and noticed something right off the bat. when in 2d mode the game uses some form of aa on the top screen which reduces the jaggies but also messes with the white lettering making them hard to read. when you turn on 3d mode the aa is removed. however to get this aa you must have the 3d display option enabled in the game's option menu i believe. if you dont have it enable you wont get aa in 2d mode.

3D on in options, 3D slider on: No AA
3D on in options 3D slider off: AA
3D off in options: No AA
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Mr Pwnage on March 23, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
Quote from: Scotty on March 21, 2013, 01:53:00 AM
Well cock...  Here I was waiting for Nintendo's downright horrendous Wii U sales to cause a price cut in the console before I bought into it...

Looks like with this I'm going to be dropping full price on the console and getting this game.  I'm already expecting them to cut the price the month following my investment.

LOL. This was clearly their plan all along. My cousin said the exact same thing and dropped full price also...they know how you monster hunters work!
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: T-Rok on March 23, 2013, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on March 23, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
Quote from: Scotty on March 21, 2013, 01:53:00 AM
Well cock...  Here I was waiting for Nintendo's downright horrendous Wii U sales to cause a price cut in the console before I bought into it...

Looks like with this I'm going to be dropping full price on the console and getting this game.  I'm already expecting them to cut the price the month following my investment.

LOL. This was clearly their plan all along. My cousin said the exact same thing and dropped full price also...they know how you monster hunters work!

I dunno about that. The monster hunter players to gamers ratio is fairly low in North America. It's why we don't get sexy things like Monster Hunter special editions of PSP/3DS/Wii U or have NA servers/access to Monster Hunter Online. Have you seen how sexy those special edition systems look? And the special edition PSP even had some modified hardware just for Monster Hunter if I recall correctly. It makes me sad that we lack these things.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Scotty on March 23, 2013, 10:54:36 PM
Quote from: T-Rok on March 23, 2013, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on March 23, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
Quote from: Scotty on March 21, 2013, 01:53:00 AM
Well cock...  Here I was waiting for Nintendo's downright horrendous Wii U sales to cause a price cut in the console before I bought into it...

Looks like with this I'm going to be dropping full price on the console and getting this game.  I'm already expecting them to cut the price the month following my investment.

LOL. This was clearly their plan all along. My cousin said the exact same thing and dropped full price also...they know how you monster hunters work!

I dunno about that. The monster hunter players to gamers ratio is fairly low in North America. It's why we don't get sexy things like Monster Hunter special editions of PSP/3DS/Wii U or have NA servers/access to Monster Hunter Online. Have you seen how sexy those special edition systems look? And the special edition PSP even had some modified hardware just for Monster Hunter if I recall correctly. It makes me sad that we lack these things.

You know, it's unfortunate, because to a certain extent, Monster Hunter has a lot of originality to it.  It's a good casual game, with real time action, and a rewarding loot system, yet no one plays it.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that.  How many comparative games are there on the market in the US that directly compete with Monster Hunter?  Can you think of just one?  I can't, and that, to me, indicates there isn't much of a fan base in America.  We might see some competition down the road, but it isn't coming anytime soon, and that is unfortunate.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: crozier on March 24, 2013, 09:09:00 AM
Quote from: Scotty on March 23, 2013, 10:54:36 PM
Quote from: T-Rok on March 23, 2013, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on March 23, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
Quote from: Scotty on March 21, 2013, 01:53:00 AM
Well cock...  Here I was waiting for Nintendo's downright horrendous Wii U sales to cause a price cut in the console before I bought into it...

Looks like with this I'm going to be dropping full price on the console and getting this game.  I'm already expecting them to cut the price the month following my investment.

LOL. This was clearly their plan all along. My cousin said the exact same thing and dropped full price also...they know how you monster hunters work!

I dunno about that. The monster hunter players to gamers ratio is fairly low in North America. It's why we don't get sexy things like Monster Hunter special editions of PSP/3DS/Wii U or have NA servers/access to Monster Hunter Online. Have you seen how sexy those special edition systems look? And the special edition PSP even had some modified hardware just for Monster Hunter if I recall correctly. It makes me sad that we lack these things.

You know, it's unfortunate, because to a certain extent, Monster Hunter has a lot of originality to it.  It's a good casual game, with real time action, and a rewarding loot system, yet no one plays it.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that.  How many comparative games are there on the market in the US that directly compete with Monster Hunter?  Can you think of just one?  I can't, and that, to me, indicates there isn't much of a fan base in America.  We might see some competition down the road, but it isn't coming anytime soon, and that is unfortunate.
*said the person who hasn't bought the game*
;)
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Meiun on March 24, 2013, 02:48:15 PM
Yeah, it really upsets me that it isn't more popular over here. It is literaly one of the most popular series there is in Japan (comparable to the popularity level of call of duty *ew* and the other modern big name series). Safe to say im quite dissapointed with your average westerners taste in games :( But on the plus side, the reason they supposedly decided to bring this one to the west in the first place was apparently because Monster Hunter Tri for the Wii did reasonably well here.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: venuse on March 24, 2013, 07:03:11 PM
i agree meiun. also monster hunter tri= monster hunter try it :) i think it sold about 2 mill which is pretty dang good for a wii game.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: T-Rok on March 25, 2013, 05:52:20 PM
I'm a little disappointed 3U doesn't have the day/night system that was in Tri. That's so far my only complaint.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Meiun on March 25, 2013, 06:12:27 PM
Quote from: T-Rok on March 25, 2013, 05:52:20 PM
I'm a little disappointed 3U doesn't have the day/night system that was in Tri. That's so far my only complaint.
It does last I checked. Thats why it has an abbreviation at the end of the location name in the quest summary i thought? Ill need to double check that one.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: crozier on March 25, 2013, 07:27:16 PM
I dunno if every stage has it, but I am 100% sure the desert stage has a day/night cycle.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: T-Rok on March 25, 2013, 10:19:55 PM
Not on missions. In Moga Village. It used to affect the forest. And everytime you saved you changed from day to night or night to day and the forest would change instead of having to go on a mission to make a day pass and progress the forest.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: 11clock on November 30, 2013, 02:48:53 PM
I was considering getting this game, but based on what I have read it's basically just killing the same monsters over and over to get better loot. I'll pass.

This form of gameplay is also the reason why I no longer play MMOs.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Meiun on November 30, 2013, 03:25:56 PM
Quote from: 11clock on November 30, 2013, 02:48:53 PM
I was considering getting this game, but based on what I have read it's basically just killing the same monsters over and over to get better loot. I'll pass.

This form of gameplay is also the reason why I no longer play MMOs.
I hate most MMO's for that exact reason, but Monster Hunter is one of my favorite games. You will fight a lot of the monsters multiple times if you want good gear from them, but the encounters are extremely exciting and rewarding, much more so than most other games in my opinion. Your loss I guess.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Sam|9801 on November 30, 2013, 04:53:41 PM
Looks like a good game. I played a demo earlier and it seems interesting. I might get it tonight :D
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: 11clock on November 30, 2013, 05:37:33 PM
Quote from: Meiun on November 30, 2013, 03:25:56 PM
Quote from: 11clock on November 30, 2013, 02:48:53 PM
I was considering getting this game, but based on what I have read it's basically just killing the same monsters over and over to get better loot. I'll pass.

This form of gameplay is also the reason why I no longer play MMOs.
I hate most MMO's for that exact reason, but Monster Hunter is one of my favorite games. You will fight a lot of the monsters multiple times if you want good gear from them, but the encounters are extremely exciting and rewarding, much more so than most other games in my opinion. Your loss I guess.

I have a few more questions about the game before I reconsider it.

Does the game have a progression system with a definite end? I get bored of games that either take too long to get to the end or games that are endless.

Are there boss fights? If so, are they common?

How does combat exactly work?
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Meiun on November 30, 2013, 06:42:05 PM
Quote from: 11clock on November 30, 2013, 05:37:33 PM
Quote from: Meiun on November 30, 2013, 03:25:56 PM
Quote from: 11clock on November 30, 2013, 02:48:53 PM
I was considering getting this game, but based on what I have read it's basically just killing the same monsters over and over to get better loot. I'll pass.

This form of gameplay is also the reason why I no longer play MMOs.
I hate most MMO's for that exact reason, but Monster Hunter is one of my favorite games. You will fight a lot of the monsters multiple times if you want good gear from them, but the encounters are extremely exciting and rewarding, much more so than most other games in my opinion. Your loss I guess.

I have a few more questions about the game before I reconsider it.

Does the game have a progression system with a definite end? I get bored of games that either take too long to get to the end or games that are endless.

Are there boss fights? If so, are they common?

How does combat exactly work?
The game definitely has a lot of focus on progression. The progression/betterment of your character is almost entirely based around gear (there is no real "leveling"). Most of the gear is obtained through crafting, which is done primarily through the materials gathered from monsters that you slay. So if you kill a big fire breathing dragon, you could potentially make some armor out of his scales (that typically bears some resemblance in looks to the monster it came from). As for an end, I'm sure there is one eventually, but you would need to put a lot of time into it to get there. The game has an absurd amount of content, especially once you start getting deep into it.

Boss fights is pretty much the entire focus of the game. Once you get past the first few hours, they account for the vast majority of what you will spend your time doing. In fact, probably about 90% of the missions you will do will be focused entirely around hunting extremely large and deadly boss monster. These boss fights are what really makes the game great, as they are all very exciting and engaging. Each monster has its own unique behaviors and characteristics, and they all tend to be extremely lively and have good AI.

The combat is all very action based. You have to aim, dodge, block, etc. and actually put a touch of thought into the actions you take. Larger weapons are understandably slow due to their size, so a poorly timed swing might leave you vulnerable. You can't get away with button mashing at all in this game. It typically involves a good bit of skill, and can often be challenging (but equally rewarding).

It is a fairly hardcore game, and certainly not for the faint of heart. But in my experience, those who do enjoy the game tend to enjoy it a whole hell of a lot.

Quote from: Sam|9801 on November 30, 2013, 04:53:41 PM
Looks like a good game. I played a demo earlier and it seems interesting. I might get it tonight :D
If you enjoyed the demo, you should almost certainly enjoy the full game. As it is my opinion that the demo sucked, and gives a pretty horrible first impression of an otherwise awesome game.
Title: Re: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Post by: Chaos on November 30, 2013, 07:04:46 PM
If you want to see some gameplay, the Game Grumps have been playing the game.  They got 4 episodes thus far, and it's pretty fun to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AsUIM98xEs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jvle-Ut2Kc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21kZrE_dA3U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU_xJx-dQ78