http://www.gamespot.com/news/6253127.html
They just need to start putting better video cards in macs and it guess you could do sum nice gaming.
PS3s are built for GAMING, Macs are built for being gay.
Ok, I'm sorry for even taking it that way. This is not a mac vs ps3 thing.
Macs are completely able to handle PC games, it just often isn't worth it for developers to develop for Mac, since 99% of the PC gaming market is using Windows.
The problem is that Macs do not support Direct X. Since 99% of games are developed using that, we have an issue.
Well it is possible to take Direct X calls and send them with open gl or anything else like on wine. But its slow.
Now they did say steam coming to mac. But i think what they are really saying is valve games are coming to mac and anyone else can come also. Valve said they are building there games from the ground up for the mac windows and xbox. If steam gets a lot of people on mac maybe some pc game makers will make there game for mac also. Who knows. It looks like macs are growing and its a really good choice by them.
But for the games in the store now and past that are non valve i don't think you'll see them on mac because of Direct X. But i don't mind seeing Direct X going or getting washed out more.
Quote from: ARTgames on March 08, 2010, 06:03:24 PMThey just need to start putting better video cards in macs and it guess you could do sum nice gaming.
From my knowledge, most valve games (such as HL2) have very low graphics requirements. It seems like they are optimised in such a way that they look good, but don't require much. As well, they have really awesome art direction which makes a game look better than the technical graphics allow.
Quote from: Lingus on March 09, 2010, 05:36:05 PM
Quote from: ARTgames on March 08, 2010, 06:03:24 PMThey just need to start putting better video cards in macs and it guess you could do sum nice gaming.
From my knowledge, most valve games (such as HL2) have very low graphics requirements. It seems like they are optimised in such a way that they look good, but don't require much. As well, they have really awesome art direction which makes a game look better than the technical graphics allow.
yeah there older stuff will run just fine on just about anything you can pick up at the store. HL2 is 6 years old. But what about portal 2 or the next half life etc? Or since steam is a platform for selling games what if other game devs want to goto mac?
I mean it never hurts to have a better graphics cards and for the price your paying for one of those pcs.
Take a look here:
http://www.apple.com/macpro/features/graphics.html
The best they offer is a "TI Radeon HD 4870 512MB GDDR5". That's not much for the fastest pc they sell. (graphics wise, when it comes to cpu and ram there just fine) It will run all there older games on max but new stuff its going to downfall some. Simple things like higher rez game textures and shadows at high rez with AA are going to get to this card fast.
Yea, I didn't realize you were talking about Steam. I thought you just meant Valve. But you're right though. Either way, I think Valve's games when they're new still don't require very high end systems to run them.
People build a new PC every few years, why can't Mac owners just build a gaming PC? Theres a wider range of games available and you can upgrade your system at any time.
Quote from: Pat on March 10, 2010, 01:08:28 AM
People build a new PC every few years, why can't Mac owners just build a gaming PC? Theirs a wider range of games available and you can upgrade your system at any time.
Actually building/buying a new PC every few years is no longer necessary. We've basically reached the peak of what we can accomplish. I mean shit, I can run Crysis just fine. If they make a game that somehow looks better, well darn, my eyes aren't good enough even to notice the difference. At this point, unless we get like real 3d projections or some crazy thing, I reckon it's safe to say the life span of computers is pretty long.
Oh, and I hate this by the way. MAC does not deserve games. Keep the games for PC.
Mostly what they are doing is not higher resolutions. It's to do with other things like anti-aliasing, shadows and miscellaneous effects like smoke, etc. There's still quite a ways to go with that kind of thing. They will always be making graphics better. Always.
Not to mention having the graphics, processing power, and RAM to run ever more complex artificial intelligence on more NPCs with more and smoother animation, etc. I think we have plenty more room to expand, yet.
Yep graphics are alway improving.
QuoteI mean shit, I can run Crysis just fine. If they make a game that somehow looks better, well darn, my eyes aren't good enough even to notice the difference.
see an eye doctor. game graphics are no ware near real life.
QuoteOh, and I hate this by the way. MAC does not deserve games. Keep the games for PC.
A mac is a pc.
Quote from: ARTgames on March 10, 2010, 05:33:56 PMA mac is a pc.
Lol true. But still they aren't built for gaming necessarily.
Quote from: Lingus on March 10, 2010, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: ARTgames on March 10, 2010, 05:33:56 PMA mac is a pc.
Lol true. But still they aren't built for gaming necessarily.
Technically all thats wrong with them in gaming side is there lower graphics performance.
But thats why i posted in my first post:
QuoteThey just need to start putting better video cards in macs and it guess you could do sum nice gaming.
This is there middle of the road mac.
http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html
Quote2.66GHz quad-core Intel Core i5 processor with 8MB shared L3 cache; Turbo Boost dynamic performance up to 3.2GHz
4GB (two 2GB SO-DIMMs) of 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM; four SO-DIMM slots support up to 16GB
Leaving out graphics cards thats just fine for any game out today.
Yea, but you also can't really open up a Mac and add a new graphics card like you can on a PC... Hence my saying Macs aren't designed for gamers. It's not just the specs, it's also the fact that they are built to spec and you aren't really supposed to open them up and change them.
If your a PC hardware tweaker gamer, your right. I agree with you 100%. A mac is not for you (maybe a mac pro, its a tower like a normal pc desktop). But those people who are those kinds of gamers know that a mac not for them.
But if your a gamer that does not care too much about that part of gaming than its ok. Xbox for example. You cant change the hardware for it but people on it can still be "gamers". It just depends what kind of gamer you are. I'm just saying if they trow a better video card in there i think the experience would be a lot nicer for the people who don't really care as much but still wants to play these higher end games. As i said, "it never hurts to have a better graphics card."
Quote from: ARTgames on March 10, 2010, 07:49:21 PM
Xbox for example. You cant change the hardware for it but people on it can still be "gamers".
Well similar to what I said, Xboxes too are built for gaming, someone who isn't a gamer won't buy one. A Mac isn't for gamers except for ones who enjoy those old educational games.
Not the point of that example but who cares any more.
Does any one here own a mac?
I'm pretty sure a lot of the people here have at least a Mac book.
Do you think mac will even beef up there system if games start going to the mac? and if so will they let people start changing parts or will they only let you use parts they want you to or not let you do it at all?
Just wondering what you all are thinking.
Perhaps they will start making external graphics cards for macs.
Quote from: Pat on March 12, 2010, 08:24:41 PM
Perhaps they will start making external graphics cards for macs.
Well they kinda do now. There only suspific graphics cards you can get now for the mac pro. but i see what your saying. I dont think they will ever fab there own cards but ask nvidea or ATI to make ones for the mac.
They definitely won't make their own cards. Hell, they've already gone to Intel for the CPU. But they also will definitely not let anyone open the box. You can't do that with a PC either. If you have a retail computer with a warranty (such as Dell) you can't open the box without voiding the warranty. If you want an additional part installed you have to send it back to them to do. And I believe you can do that with Macs already. Have them install more ram on an old computer or a new hard drive or something. Will they start having more higher end graphics card options out of the box? Possibly. If enough people ask for it. It likely won't be something that many Mac users will want though. At least I don't think.
Quote from: Lingus on March 12, 2010, 09:05:11 PM
They definitely won't make their own cards. Hell, they've already gone to Intel for the CPU.
I agree.
Quote from: Lingus on March 12, 2010, 09:05:11 PM
But they also will definitely not let anyone open the box. You can't do that with a PC either. If you have a retail computer with a warranty (such as Dell) you can't open the box without voiding the warranty. If you want an additional part installed you have to send it back to them to do.
Well when it comes to dell i get mixed reports. When i got my old 8800gt they did not mind if we did it ower selves. But they do ask to do it for you for other boxes. so your right. But IDK about hp and ause, etc.
But if you build your own pc then you can. you are your own warranty:P
Quote from: Lingus on March 12, 2010, 09:05:11 PM
And I believe you can do that with Macs already. Have them install more ram on an old computer or a new hard drive or something. Will they start having more higher end graphics card options out of the box? Possibly. If enough people ask for it. It likely won't be something that many Mac users will want though. At least I don't think.
i agree.