I'm quite tired of seeing a new stat build thread pop up every few days because a noob finally gets an account. So to end the madness, this thread will be where the discussion of stat related issues shall take place. Everyone feel free to contribute your ideas and thoughts to help the new players and even experienced players get an idea of what to do. I do ask for everyone to stay on topic as best as possible!
My input to start out with:
A lot of players find maxing out vit to been highly beneficial, however you need to realize your own playing style before. This goes with all stat useage. For instance you can listen to someone who loves vit and hates agi so you copy that motive. Only then to realize because you are so slow, you can't get any hits and your health just fades away anyways. What i mean by this is to just play around in pvp BEFORE investing all of your stats to see what kind of player you want to be. Try grinding for weapons or even asking players who have those weapons to give you their full input on how it works. You don't need a weapon to see how it works, just pvp against it and you will see. Remember to find what you need to make your pvp time easier and more comfortable. If you have a hard time evading hits, try (+agi) to get a speed you are more comfortable with. If you manage to do hits as often as others and don't just take all the hits, try (+vit) this also goes hand in hand with (str) though. Make sure you have a nice damage output to go with your damage taken input. You don't want to be a glass cannon or a brick tissue lol. (Meaning HUGE damage but absolutely no resistance; meaning no damage but can take a whirlwind of attacks.) With this post I'm not telling you one stat build is better then another, I'm simply telling you that YOU need to figure out what works for you! No 2 players are alike in everyway.
Common trends:
-A lot of people have been doing equal str/vit combos for example. (50/x/45/x)
Now this may be something you want or could work with but don't jump into it. Get used to moving around and fighting to see if you can tolerate having low agi then.
-The 6/7 INT debate...
This has been flaring up for ages! "6 int is all for pvp, 7 int is worth the 1 point for convenience..." HONESTLY its what will make you feel better about yourself lol. If you want the 1 extra point then do it, just consider that in pvp for that one point to work you would need to switch hats making it much easier to be vulnerable. Ask yourself an important question, would 1 extra vit or str be more beneficial in a pinch then that 1 extra int?
-The "best" hat/wep combo
Everyone either uses the gs, slasher, spire or IS. None of them are better then the other if the player themself is out of tune with pvp. You could have all of them and still utterly fail. You need to practice with a weapon and become familiar with its hitbox and how you move with it. Find what will make your playing best. Long range? (slasher) high damage? (GS or IS, IS being stronger) or an all out fury of jabs? (spire)
Take into consideration that each weapon has its own positives and negatives to make each weapon not overpowered. The slashers long range makes it do less damage and faster swing. The GS and IS both do immense damage but leave you vulnerable to attack for a longer time and make your reuse time greater. The spire does a healthy amount of damage (less then slasher and gs) and eats up stamina like a fat kid around cake. Yet when trained to use properly, the spire is a weapon of mass destruction. Lucifer is an absolute demon when he's wielding that thing. All because he knows what he is doing. Not because his stats are amazing, because frankly His stats arn't the typical "PVP-stat" build. But it works for his own style making him a great player. (Sorry to name drop on you Luc ;) you are just a good example for my point! I give you credit though ;)!)
And for hats, find what you want again. Each hat has its own perks giving str and vit or just vit or just str or vit str and agi. A lot of players will make a build for a certain hat. for instance, x/x/52/x and use a dkh to bump your vit to 56 to let your re-gen go up and get an extra 2 def points. Try looking at all the stats from hats and base your stats SIMILAR to what will help with a certain hat. None of them are crucial though, Igu has stats not based around hats and he is the greatest pvper I've seen and played against. Also he only used a hat that give no str or vit! Which proves that weapons or hats DO NOT make a player, they only give a temporary assist.
That's all for now, ill add more if i think of it. Guys feel free to contribute ideas and debate stat stuff below!
-Ishboo/TrogBoo
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Inferno Sword
Dragoon Helmet
40/10/40/10
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Like i said above... Would you be comfortable with those stats? Yes? then yes. No? then no... Read my entire post...
Its a good idea to start with but needs to be shaped more.
This was a great idea, wish I would've thought of it :P. But yeah, it really all comes down to what your personal playstyle is. There is no best stat build, it's how you work with it, like jackel said. I would say that your build should reflect what you like to do because, personally, I like PvE more than PvP, and there may be several other people of like mind. So even though this topic may include lots of PvP builds, this is my PvE build:
A good PvE build would need more strength and less vitality than the normal tank build since it is quite easy to avoid enemy attacks. So my build would be 64/12/24/7. This build gives great damage output allowing you to hit the damage threshholds on most enemies quickly. It also gives the ability to take a couple more hits than usual by providing 8 defense and 69 extra hp. You will also gain 6 hp per tick, which, IMO, is better than nothing. You also have enough agility to get on top of the temple with frog hat easily, and dodge monsters better. The 7 intelligence is for when you are stammed, (obviously) a wiz hat can bring you to 12 int., giving 8 stam per tick sitting, and 4 when standing. And that, my friends is my take on a PvE build.
Quote from: Jmacrules on March 28, 2011, 06:55:08 PM
This was a great idea, wish I would've thought of it :P. But yeah, it really all comes down to what your personal playstyle is. There is no best stat build, it's how you work with it, like jackel said. I would say that your build should reflect what you like to do because, personally, I like PvE more than PvP, and there may be several other people of like mind. So even though this topic may include lots of PvP builds, this is my PvE build:
A good PvE build would need more strength and less vitality than the normal tank build since it is quite easy to avoid enemy attacks. So my build would be 64/12/24/7. This build gives great damage output allowing you to hit the damage threshholds on most enemies quickly. It also gives the ability to take a couple more hits than usual by providing 8 defense and 69 extra hp. You will also gain 6 hp per tick, which, IMO, is better than nothing. You also have enough agility to get on top of the temple with frog hat easily, and dodge monsters better. The 7 intelligence is for when you are stammed, (obviously) a wiz hat can bring you to 12 int., giving 8 stam per tick sitting, and 4 when standing. And that, my friends is my take on a PvE build.
Like your input on PvE builds. I just didnt include that because the goal of the game is to grind to eventually PVP as this games core function once your 100 is to pvp xD But yes you are correct with your PvE input.
Quote from: Sainomi on March 28, 2011, 06:36:48 PM
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Inferno Sword
Dragoon Helmet
40/10/40/10
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First off, if you're using a dragoon helm, make your vit a multiple of 6, -2. If you're using a DKH (better than the dragoon helm for tanking purposes), make your vit a multiple of 6, -4.
10 int is useless, you always want to either have a multiple of 6, or just leave it at 1. If you're using a GS/IS and have 40+ str, I recommend just leaving int at 1. If you must have int, go for 6. This does not go for the other 2 pvp weapons.
Quote from: jackel1994 on March 28, 2011, 07:00:27 PM
Quote from: Jmacrules on March 28, 2011, 06:55:08 PM
This was a great idea, wish I would've thought of it :P. But yeah, it really all comes down to what your personal playstyle is. There is no best stat build, it's how you work with it, like jackel said. I would say that your build should reflect what you like to do because, personally, I like PvE more than PvP, and there may be several other people of like mind. So even though this topic may include lots of PvP builds, this is my PvE build:
A good PvE build would need more strength and less vitality than the normal tank build since it is quite easy to avoid enemy attacks. So my build would be 64/12/24/7. This build gives great damage output allowing you to hit the damage threshholds on most enemies quickly. It also gives the ability to take a couple more hits than usual by providing 8 defense and 69 extra hp. You will also gain 6 hp per tick, which, IMO, is better than nothing. You also have enough agility to get on top of the temple with frog hat easily, and dodge monsters better. The 7 intelligence is for when you are stammed, (obviously) a wiz hat can bring you to 12 int., giving 8 stam per tick sitting, and 4 when standing. And that, my friends is my take on a PvE build.
Like your input on PvE builds. I just didnt include that because the goal of the game is to grind to eventually PVP as this games core function once your 100 is to pvp xD But yes you are correct with your PvE input.
Thanks man, glad I could contribute to the topic. ;) Oh and a note on the DH/IS combo: just having these does not and will not make you the best PvPer, it takes practice, timing, and a good internet connection to stand a chance against some of the more experienced players. Hell, you could win with a snowball and the shady hat if you can dodge and hold out long enough. Well...it might be possible XD. But once again, it all depends on how you play. If you have trouble dodging, add agi., if you feel like you take lots of hits, put some vit. on your build, a higher str. would be needed if you can barely hit your opponents to make your hits count, and int...well it's not really heavily used :-\. But yeah, make your build reflect your personal needs and don't just follow the crowd. Be different, ask people their personal thoughts on specific stats, and play the game how you want. Wow, I sound like a freaking therapist... :P
Quote from: Torch on March 28, 2011, 07:07:57 PM
Quote from: Sainomi on March 28, 2011, 06:36:48 PM
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Inferno Sword
Dragoon Helmet
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First off, if you're using a dragoon helm, make your vit a multiple of 6, -2. If you're using a DKH (better than the dragoon helm for tanking purposes), make your vit a multiple of 6, -4.
10 int is useless, you always want to either have a multiple of 6, or just leave it at 1. If you're using a GS/IS and have 40+ str, I recommend just leaving int at 1. If you must have int, go for 6. This does not go for the other 2 pvp weapons.
Most tankers use Spire Right?
Dark Knight Helmet
Spire Dagger
And something like 40 Str/50 Def/10/1
Quote from: Sainomi on March 28, 2011, 07:17:19 PM
Quote from: Torch on March 28, 2011, 07:07:57 PM
Quote from: Sainomi on March 28, 2011, 06:36:48 PM
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Inferno Sword
Dragoon Helmet
40/10/40/10
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First off, if you're using a dragoon helm, make your vit a multiple of 6, -2. If you're using a DKH (better than the dragoon helm for tanking purposes), make your vit a multiple of 6, -4.
10 int is useless, you always want to either have a multiple of 6, or just leave it at 1. If you're using a GS/IS and have 40+ str, I recommend just leaving int at 1. If you must have int, go for 6. This does not go for the other 2 pvp weapons.
Most tankers use Spire Right?
Dark Knight Helmet
Spire Dagger
And something like 40 Str/50 Def/10/1
The spire is a stamina whore, with 1 intelligence, you'll empty your stam. in mere seconds and be left open to attack. When Torch said that having only 6 int. didn't go for the other PvP weapons, he specifically meant the spire. If you plan on using spire with your build, I would reccommend 12 int. at least, and slightly higher agi. so you can reach your opponent because spire has a short range and you don't want to waste your stamina hitting the air. Hope this helps.
EDIT: My bad, I'm posting on an iPod, so I didn't realize I hid my post in the quote box. Should be fixed now. :)
...without going off on a spiel about related subjects here, I'd like to get some more feedback on Mystery's current build, even though I've gotten numerous people to advise me to give up on that account. I still think it has potential.
Level: 100
Stats: 46 STR/33 AGI/20 VIT/8 INT
Optimal Hats: Green Beret(have), Dark Knight Helm(have), Fedora(have), Bandit Cover(don't have)(?)
Optimal Weapons: Katana(have), Stone Hammer(have), Whip(have), Spire Dagger(don't have), Slasher(don't have), Legendary Sand Blade(will never have)
Quote from: Mystery on March 28, 2011, 07:42:30 PM
...without going off on a spiel about related subjects here, I'd like to get some more feedback on Mystery's current build, even though I've gotten numerous people to advise me to give up on that account. I still think it has potential.
Level: 100
Stats: 46 STR/33 AGI/20 VIT/8 INT
Optimal Hats: Green Beret(have), Dark Knight Helm(have), Fedora(have), Bandit Cover(don't have)(?)
Optimal Weapons: Katana(have), Stone Hammer(have), Whip(have), Spire Dagger(don't have), Slasher(don't have), Legendary Sand Blade(will never have)
Umm. Just a question. Why 8 intelligence? Is it for use with fedora for the bonus or....what? Lol, just wondering. To me, the build looks pretty nice other than the 20 vitality/8 int. I realize that the point of the 20 vit. is for use with the DKH, but you can only wear one hat at a time so, do you just switch between fedora and DKH for stamina and health regen? Unless you use hotkeys, this would annoy me mid-PvP, so I don't necessarily like that aspect of this build. Other than that, it's a nice build! 8)
Quote from: Mystery on March 28, 2011, 07:42:30 PM
...without going off on a spiel about related subjects here, I'd like to get some more feedback on Mystery's current build, even though I've gotten numerous people to advise me to give up on that account. I still think it has potential.
Level: 100
Stats: 46 STR/33 AGI/20 VIT/8 INT
Optimal Hats: Green Beret(have), Dark Knight Helm(have), Fedora(have), Bandit Cover(don't have)(?)
Optimal Weapons: Katana(have), Stone Hammer(have), Whip(have), Spire Dagger(don't have), Slasher(don't have), Legendary Sand Blade(will never have)
Since when?
Quote from: Mystery on March 28, 2011, 07:42:30 PM
...without going off on a spiel about related subjects here, I'd like to get some more feedback on Mystery's current build, even though I've gotten numerous people to advise me to give up on that account. I still think it has potential.
Level: 100
Stats: 46 STR/33 AGI/20 VIT/8 INT
Optimal Hats: Green Beret(have), Dark Knight Helm(have), Fedora(have), Bandit Cover(don't have)(?)
Optimal Weapons: Katana(have), Stone Hammer(have), Whip(have), Spire Dagger(don't have), Slasher(don't have), Legendary Sand Blade(will never have)
This is a no-brainer, of course it's viable. You sacrifice some brute force for speed. Victory only depends on your pvp skills, dodging etc.
Quote from: crozier on March 28, 2011, 08:01:11 PM
Quote from: Mystery on March 28, 2011, 07:42:30 PM
...without going off on a spiel about related subjects here, I'd like to get some more feedback on Mystery's current build, even though I've gotten numerous people to advise me to give up on that account. I still think it has potential.
Level: 100
Stats: 46 STR/33 AGI/20 VIT/8 INT
Optimal Hats: Green Beret(have), Dark Knight Helm(have), Fedora(have), Bandit Cover(don't have)(?)
Optimal Weapons: Katana(have), Stone Hammer(have), Whip(have), Spire Dagger(don't have), Slasher(don't have), Legendary Sand Blade(will never have)
Since when?
That was a typo. :(
Ahh well then my post is void, lol, I thought you had a DKH, guess I failed. :(
Quote from: Jmacrules on March 28, 2011, 08:27:02 PM
Ahh well then my post is void, lol, I thought you had a DKH, guess I failed. :(
I need someone to give me Tank stats
Quote from: Sainomi on March 28, 2011, 06:36:48 PM
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Inferno Sword
Dragoon Helmet
40/10/40/10
this good need opnions?
That is a stat build of a level 97 player :-\. I recommend you download Stat Mixer (http://www.stick-online.com/boards/index.php?topic=59.0). It's a useful little program that lets you try out different stat combinations and provides heaps of information regarding them.
Quote from: Jmacrules on March 28, 2011, 08:27:02 PM
Ahh well then my post is void, lol, I thought you had a DKH, guess I failed. :(
Well, I do need it. My VIT and INT are for use of the Fedora, I get one extra defense using it because it makes 21 VIT. I generally never need to use Fedora now, but I most likely would if I was to ever get Spire Dagger/Slasher.
Quote from: Celson on March 28, 2011, 08:29:34 PM
Quote from: Sainomi on March 28, 2011, 06:36:48 PM
This good?
Inferno Sword
Dragoon Helmet
40/10/40/10
this good need opnions?
That is a stat build of a level 97 player :-\. I recommend you download Stat Mixer (http://www.stick-online.com/boards/index.php?topic=59.0). It's a useful little program that lets you try out different stat combinations and provides heaps of information regarding them.
What Celson means in his first sentence is that you get 103 stat points from level 1-100 and you hadn't used them all. And as for tank stats, you'd be better off asking someone like foG, who has experience in tank builds.
Quote from: Jmacrules on March 28, 2011, 08:35:59 PM
Quote from: Celson on March 28, 2011, 08:29:34 PM
Quote from: Sainomi on March 28, 2011, 06:36:48 PM
This good?
Inferno Sword
Dragoon Helmet
40/10/40/10
this good need opnions?
That is a stat build of a level 97 player :-\. I recommend you download Stat Mixer (http://www.stick-online.com/boards/index.php?topic=59.0). It's a useful little program that lets you try out different stat combinations and provides heaps of information regarding them.
What Celson means in his first sentence is that you get 103 stat points from level 1-100 and you hadn't used them all. And as for tank stats, you'd be better off asking someone like foG, who has experience in tank builds.
Downloaded it Trying to make a good one.
And could anyone Help me train.
Im In the rock Mountain
I'll come help you for a little while bro. :)
EDIT: Sorry for overposting on this thread. =P
I'd like to know who all these people stacking large amounts of ViT are. Ether I haven't played in a while or that's a lie. I know of like 5 people who have stacked large amounts of a VIT. Anyone who has played since the ViT/str balance update would know that STR is greater then stacking large amounts of ViT now.
As for all these people who are choosing even str/ViT. Who are they? Again, I don't know many people at all who chose stats like that.
Now back to the main topic itself, Agility is a very good stat now and should be included into any future vp builds. SO is more about weapons now, not stats. With the right combination of str/agi/ViT/int the spire dagger will destroy (which has proven to do so). I guarantee you anyone who chooses a tank build now, will regret it when going up against someone with decent stats and a spire. You need a lot of ViT to stam someone who has a spire and builds that have that much ViT get destroyed by people who focused on str more.
As for what a good build would be, I have no idea anymore.
What is meant is that people tend to pump vit lately. You don't have to take it completely literal as "maxing" out vit.
Good example of players are: Myself, Lucifer, FoG, Igu, Tank, Tuathal, Dipz, and i know many more i just cant pick any more off my head.
(Arn't crucialy pumped into vit, just anywhere from 40-50 being majority of stats or close to it.)
Quote from: jackel1994 on March 29, 2011, 09:33:38 PM
What is meant is that people tend to pump vit lately. You don't have to take it completely literal as "maxing" out vit.
Good example of players are: Myself, Lucifer, FoG, Igu, Tank, Tuathal, Dipz, Joel, Luda, Cherrypie, Razor1337, Maple, Torch, DemonClawz, +(lll_-)+, GiS, Chainsaw1337, GaZ, Jonsploder, pinball, etc... and i know many more i just cant pick any more off my head.
(Arn't crucialy pumped into vit, just anywhere from 40-50 being majority of stats or close to it.)
40 ViT?
You just proved that ViT is an important stat, which is true. 40 ViT is decent. After spending 39 points though you still have another 65 points. That's enough room for a decent choice in a variety of other stats.
When did i say vit wasn't important?? You're trying to prove me wrong on something i made to benefit people lol. I still don't see what i said that has you all fired up. Some people choose vit under 40 to have higher other stats, other people choose vit over 40. No matter how you look at it, after 39 points spent, it is a majority stat unless you balance out and do something like 31/30/40/6. Vit is extremely helpful and people tend to put a lot of points into it is the fact i was trying to state. Others choose to keep it low. Please if you find my guide/tool as useless lies then report it and create your own.
I thought this was a discussion on stat builds. I'm not fired up I'm just trying to understand.
Alright well i will try to better help you understand as best as i can, i just felt like you were attacking me with this. I apologize for being snappy then Joel.
All i meant with puming vit out is that trends a few years back didnt involve MAJORITY of players having higher amounts of vit. Recently though there has been an increase in tank builds along with players ith just a lot of points invested into vit. In my original post i only talked about players finding out whats best for them, so if that works for them then it shuld be applied. If not then ignored.
Alright, I didn't wanna start a new thread, so here's what I need help with. I'm planning on changing my pure strength account to a PvP account, but idk if there's still hope. Right now, I'm 55/2/1/1, and I think going 55/16/30/6 would be decent even though I'm pretty screwed up already. So, what do you guys recommend?
Welp, I've completely given up on Mystery since he's obviously never going to work out. You won't see me on that account again.
New build planned is unoriginal tank which I'm going to somehow need to be lucky on, at least GB, DH, and GS.
that sounds decent
No tank can bear someone with a spire with a GS.
Quote from: Mystery on April 02, 2011, 05:38:51 PM
Welp, I've completely given up on Mystery since he's obviously never going to work out. You won't see me on that account again.
New build planned is unoriginal tank which I'm going to somehow need to be lucky on, at least GB, DH, and GS.
For the way you play mys, I would suggest no less then 10 agi. I also think you would be a nice Str tank. Try something around..
51/10/40/6 (will be used with DH as stated above)
My name is buster..
want my stats to be-
str-70 I want more str bc everyone when they make a tank its alittle higher then vit...not my acc..I want it to be more
agi-1 don't need..
vit-35 and I need vit to stay in alittle longer for me to hit them out or kill the...
int-2 just used the rest of sp's on this(stat points)
with a DKH and slasher/IS and or SH
what do you guys think?
Quote from: king on April 03, 2011, 12:03:23 PM
My name is buster..
want my stats to be-
str-70 I want more str bc everyone when they make a tank its alittle higher then vit...not my acc..I want it to be more
agi-1 don't need..
vit-35 and I need vit to stay in alittle longer for me to hit them out or kill the...
int-2 just used the rest of sp's on this(stat points)
with a DKH and slasher/IS and or SH
what do you guys think?
You have used 108 stat points, when you only have 107 stat points at level 100.
And you can only choose to assign 103 of them =o
Quote from: king on April 03, 2011, 12:03:23 PM
My name is buster..
want my stats to be-
str-70 I want more str bc everyone when they make a tank its alittle higher then vit...not my acc..I want it to be more
agi-1 don't need..
vit-35 and I need vit to stay in alittle longer for me to hit them out or kill the...
int-2 just used the rest of sp's on this(stat points)
with a DKH and slasher/IS and or SH
what do you guys think?
I think whoever still plans to make a "tank" since the release of spire and slasher needs to rethink their build. I litterally think you will die in 5-10 seconds with maybe 1-3 hits on your enemy with a GS.
You should really plan on building your stats around defense of other weapons. Nowadays, if you don't have agi. then that spire user will kick your ass. But that's not to say that vit. still isn't needed. All the stats have their place and time, but it's still possible to win with "unique" stats if you have the skill to do it. PvP wouldn't have much thrill if only one build was the best. The game is meant for a combination of the four stats to make your character who you wanna be. If Meiun didn't want it that way he'd have preset builds and this game wouldn't be as fun.
If I wanted to use the spire what would be a good build for that?
You need a decent agi. (around 12) and decent int. (multiple of 6 if you're not using wiz in PvP) to use the spire effectively. A good Spire account IMO would be 50/15/30/12. But....none of my builds are based around spire. You should look at Mystery's post from earlier. That build was meant for spire.
How should my build be if I want to be a decent slasher/gs user?
Quote from: Fvgto on January 01, 2014, 09:32:21 PM
How should my build be if I want to be a decent slasher/gs user?
Partly depends on how you want to fight, if you want to tank it out with a GS then you could be looking at something like 30/1/70/6 but with a slasher you might want to either look at a faster build, I quite like Crozier's build for spire which is something like 38/17/44/8 though I might slightly modify it to be 40/16/45/6, or another option with a slasher would be to go with a str heavy build and take a page out of Buffi's book who, I believe, has something like 65/1/40/1. Of course there are numerous other builds that are totally up to snuff, and unfortunately without testing them out first it makes it a bit harder to decide.