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Title: Monty Hall problem
Post by: ARTgames on April 12, 2011, 06:08:26 PM
Thanks to Scottie's (http://www.stick-online.com/boards/index.php?topic=1979.0) topic it inspired me to make this one.

Quote from: Whitaker/vos Savant 1990Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?

So what do you think it better to do. Switch or stay?
Title: Re: Monty Hall problem
Post by: Tidus on April 12, 2011, 06:15:38 PM
I don't really understand this problem. I've heard it before and remember that if you switch there is either a 1/2 or 1 chance of winning or something like that, but if you stay with the same door its always 2/3 chance of winning or something like that? I dunno I don't really get it, I feel like its a 50-50 shot either way, so you might as well stick with you're original choice, because the host might have only opened the door to purposely try to throw you off and make you switch your answer.
Title: Re: Monty Hall problem
Post by: Titan on April 12, 2011, 06:35:19 PM
Why bother switching?

1/3 odds just turned to 1/2. So either way you have a 50% chance. Besides, always go with your first guess.
Title: Re: Monty Hall problem
Post by: raeyo on April 12, 2011, 06:38:40 PM
In a mathematical standpoint no because you have a 2/3 chance of winning now but in a logical stand point it really doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Monty Hall problem
Post by: ARTgames on April 12, 2011, 06:44:13 PM
reayo is right. Its better to stick because you have a better chance than you do with switching. It does not turn 50/50.
Title: Re: Monty Hall problem
Post by: T-Rok on April 12, 2011, 06:50:43 PM
From a psychological perspective the vast majority of society will switch their answer under pressure. Game shows take advantage of this, which is why you are always offered a second and sometimes third final answer. Knowing this, I personally would stick with my first answer.
Title: Re: Monty Hall problem
Post by: sarithra on April 12, 2011, 07:07:40 PM
raeyo is correct mathematically except the 2/3 is for switching not staying.
the chart for it is
                              original choice
           stay             switch               switch
          goat              car                   car

if you stay you have a 1/3 chance of getting the car. If you switch you have a 1/3 chance for each of the 2 other options making it 2/3 chance of winning if you switch.
Title: Re: Monty Hall problem
Post by: raeyo on April 12, 2011, 07:15:50 PM
Not exactly because if you switch you create a 50/50 chance rather than a 2/3rd chance you acquire once one possibility was shown as a fraud.  And 66.6666666 and so on is better than 50.
Title: Re: Monty Hall problem
Post by: ARTgames on April 12, 2011, 07:18:44 PM
It's not vary intuitive. Great for a game show. :)
Title: Re: Monty Hall problem
Post by: raeyo on April 12, 2011, 07:20:58 PM
Well according to the internet sarithra is right.  Oh well.  But in reality it probably doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Monty Hall problem
Post by: Jmac on April 12, 2011, 07:22:12 PM
If anyone's ever read "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nightime" you'll know the answer. It goes into great detail explaining that, mathematically, switching is always the best choice, as you will have a better chance. Lol, saw this on the forums and remembered the book. :P
Title: Re: Monty Hall problem
Post by: Lingus on April 12, 2011, 08:27:23 PM
This one hurts my brain... I read the wikipedia article on it a bit, but it seems like they are intentionally using extremely complicated wording and convoluted thought processes.

I can accept that it's a false intuition to assume that each door is equal, but I can't comprehend how switching to the other door would give you a better chance...

Edit:
This page seems to help explain pretty well http://kasmana.people.cofc.edu/MATHFICT/montyhall.php?pg=explain

Basically, if you stay, you always have a 1/3 chance.

But, if you switch, the only time you lose is if you initially pick the car. If you pick either of the two doors that have a goat, then you always win because the other goat door is revealed. So you have a 2/3 chance.

Very interesting...
Title: Re: Monty Hall problem
Post by: God-I-Suck on April 12, 2011, 09:38:59 PM
does it matter? A car or a goat would be a great prize!