there is a rumour that HP will stop making laptops and tablets here is the answer for you all if you wanted to know.
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2011/110818b.html
I personally love HP and just bought a epic laptop from them. But leave your thought about it.
(there you go ben)
Dons forget desktops and phones also: http://atltek.net/hp-to-stop-making-desktops-laptops-tablets-and-phones-gadget-core
its kinda wired if they do. But in retrospect I dont think we will really be missing anything since what they make and the other pc makers make is just the same thing in a different case. :?
i have to disagree there i have had a lot of comps and hp are far better to me. I have never had one crash or go down.Yes they might have some of the same things but its how they build them. im busy atm so i cant go into detail on what i want to say sorry lol
Quote from: havok on September 02, 2011, 07:22:01 PM
i have to disagree there i have had a lot of comps and hp are far better to me. I have never had one crash or go down.Yes they might have some of the same things but its how they build them. im busy atm so i cant go into detail on what i want to say sorry lol
I'd agree with Havok here, all 4 people in my Family have laptops, My sister has an ASUS which had to be sent away because the keyboard stopped working, my dad has a Lenovo which the Hard Drive died in, and my mum had a Dell that... well it was a Dell, so she ended up getting a Lenovo, and I have an HP and mine is the only one that hasn't had any problems. So yeah, even though they use similar parts and the computers themselves are designed for the same purposes, the quality of HP computers is unmatched.
Quote from: Matty_Richo on September 02, 2011, 08:43:59 PM
Quote from: havok on September 02, 2011, 07:22:01 PM
i have to disagree there i have had a lot of comps and hp are far better to me. I have never had one crash or go down.Yes they might have some of the same things but its how they build them. im busy atm so i cant go into detail on what i want to say sorry lol
I'd agree with Havok here, all 4 people in my Family have laptops, My sister has an ASUS which had to be sent away because the keyboard stopped working, my dad has a Lenovo which the Hard Drive died in, and my mum had a Dell that... well it was a Dell, so she ended up getting a Lenovo, and I have an HP and mine is the only one that hasn't had any problems. So yeah, even though they use similar parts and the computers themselves are designed for the same purposes, the quality of HP computers is unmatched.
by far lol i have a laptop the 8 years old from HP still runs fine. the parts are a bit out dated but it runs nice. and ask meuin about a asus lol
Well. I can't say if this was an HP problem or a Best Buy problem... But I had problems with my previous HP computer... The hard drive died twice(both in less than a 3 year span), the graphics card that came with my computer was defective the day I first brought it home (got that replaced when they replaced my HD the first time). And eventually it was considered a lemon.
Now I have a new HP and it's been working good so far, though I've only had it about 4 months...
There are bound to be some lemons with every computer brand you can get, but I can safely say that HP has had the best track record in my book, and also has some of the nicest models currently. And trust me when I say that I have had some BAD experiences with other computer brands. Ugh, I was going to buy an HP as my next one too, had the exact model picked out and everything, fml.
Quote from: havok on September 02, 2011, 07:22:01 PM
i have to disagree there i have had a lot of comps and hp are far better to me. I have never had one crash or go down.Yes they might have some of the same things but its how they build them. im busy atm so i cant go into detail on what i want to say sorry lol
HP is just a a middle man between your and hardware vendors. Your chip set is probably from intel or amd. (unless you some how have an arm/power pc pc) Your motherboard probably built from Asus/msi/etc. Your ram is probably some notable manufacture out of china. sony/samsung probably made your monitor. your HDD is probably from Western Digital/Corsair/Kingston etc. Your computer is the sum of many hardware vendors work put together by your manufacture. Same goes for dell/apple/asus/compaq(HP) etc. When you HDD fails or graphics card goes it its most likely the fault of the vender they got it from. Unless you buy a Asus pc and the motherboard fails but you get the point.
The only thing that makes them stick out is branding, the parts they picked, case design, and customer support. They may do some stuff like add some extra buttons on the keyboard. Those things matter but most of peoples experiences you hear of are just anecdotal.
I have used many of the main brands like HP/Dells/Asus/Sony/etc. And it really just comes down to the hardware inside and who is having a good mouth on getting parts that are working well. When im looking for a new pc I shop around and look at the specs and the reviews of the hardware to pick whats best for me. And it has not failed me yet.
@ART, HP also test their hardware as a whole before sending it out, and they do it better than others apparently, it's not just luck. I am very sad to see HP leave the business.
Yes there are many anecdotal story's you hear and marketing etc. But you cant just say that and its true. :/ And this sort of stuff just shifts from brand to brand. But realistically speaking HP puts together hundreds of thousands of pcs over the course of a year. If you think they are really testing each and every ones of them individually then I don't know what to say.
Quote from: ARTgames on September 03, 2011, 12:08:23 AM
Quote from: havok on September 02, 2011, 07:22:01 PM
i have to disagree there i have had a lot of comps and hp are far better to me. I have never had one crash or go down.Yes they might have some of the same things but its how they build them. im busy atm so i cant go into detail on what i want to say sorry lol
HP is just a a middle man between your and hardware vendors. Your chip set is probably from intel or amd. (unless you some how have an arm/power pc pc) Your motherboard probably built from Asus/msi/etc. Your ram is probably some notable manufacture out of china. sony/samsung probably made your monitor. your HDD is probably from Western Digital/Corsair/Kingston etc. Your computer is the sum of many hardware vendors work put together by your manufacture. Same goes for dell/apple/asus/compaq(HP) etc. When you HDD fails or graphics card goes it its most likely the fault of the vender they got it from. Unless you buy a Asus pc and the motherboard fails but you get the point.
The only thing that makes them stick out is branding, the parts they picked, case design, and customer support. They may do some stuff like add some extra buttons on the keyboard. Those things matter but most of peoples experiences you hear of are just anecdotal.
I have used many of the main brands like HP/Dells/Asus/Sony/etc. And it really just comes down to the hardware inside and who is having a good mouth on getting parts that are working well. When im looking for a new pc I shop around and look at the specs and the reviews of the hardware to pick whats best for me. And it has not failed me yet.
You are sort of missing the point. Yes, your score on a benchmark does come down purely to the components inside (such as Intel processor, AMD/Nvidia Graphics card, etc.). But the brand is going to effect how they assemble these components together, the level of Quality Assurance that goes into testing their builds before they ship them out (burn in time, etc.), good driver availability (which can be crucial, and can be a big restriction with a bad laptop vendor), and what kind of combinations of those hardware components you can even get in the machine to begin with. Not to mention that it effects the case and design, which not only totally changes it's aesthetic appeal, but also has huge impacts on things like cooling which can make or break a computer.
Quote from: ARTgames on September 03, 2011, 12:24:24 AM
Yes there are many anecdotal story's you hear and marketing etc. But you cant just say that and its true. :/ And this sort of stuff just shifts from brand to brand. But realistically speaking HP puts together hundreds of thousands of pcs over the course of a year. If you think they are really testing each and every ones of them individually then I don't know what to say.
Good vendors do test their computers before shipping them... At least to do a good burn in on the hardware. That's why most machines you order take so damn long to ship. It's not like it requires any heavy user interaction, it can all be fairly easily automated. The most common time for any piece of computer hardware to fail is right near the beginning of it's life cycle. Hence why it is is really important to get it past this high risk period before it is sold. I'm sure many companies do cheap out on this sort of thing, but some are still definitely better than others.
Edit: Oh, and not to mention that a lot of these company's use proprietary (non standard variations) of their hardware, which can have a big impact on things in some cases.
That is along the lines with that I tied (but I think failed) to make the point of. As I said "and it really just comes down to the hardware inside and who is having a good mouth on getting parts that are working well." Meaning the hardware they picked and get and how they work together and if they are good parts to start with. And yes I agree that there special touches they do are something. As I said in the post "Those things matter". I do agree there is a difference in quality between buying a dell inspiron and a mac book pro that was directly because of the hardware, testing and built quality the brands put in it.
I am also not aiming hate dirty at hp at all thought it may sound like it. Im talking about pc venders in generally. And its my fault that my post came off so negative. Sorry about that.
My conclusion was "When im looking for a new pc I shop around and look at the specs and the reviews of the hardware to pick whats best for me." I'm basically saying don't pick your pc off the brand. Pick it off the hardware they built it with, what people say about the final product, and what you need. And I feel that is sensible.
And its my opinion but I do feel with HP gone I still think there are many other just as good pc venders out there that can do just as a good job as they did. And that thinking of mine is based off past experiences with other pc makers I have used. Which is what I should have said in my first post.
Quote from: ARTgames on September 03, 2011, 12:59:40 AM
That is along the lines with that I tied (but I think failed) to make the point of. As I said "and it really just comes down to the hardware inside and who is having a good mouth on getting parts that are working well." Meaning the hardware they picked and get and how they work together and if they are good parts to start with. And yes I agree that there special touches they do are something. As I said in the post "Those things matter". I do agree there is a difference in quality between buying a dell inspiron and a mac book pro that was directly because of the hardware, testing and built quality the brands put in it.
I am also not aiming hate dirty at hp at all thought it may sound like it. Im talking about pc venders in generally. And its my fault that my post came off so negative. Sorry about that.
My conclusion was "When im looking for a new pc I shop around and look at the specs and the reviews of the hardware to pick whats best for me." I'm basically saying don't pick your pc off the brand. Pick it off the hardware they built it with and what people say about the final product.
And its my opinion but I do feel with HP gone I still think there are many other just as good pc venders out there that can do just as a good job as they did. And that thinking of mine is based off past experiences with other pc makers I have used. Which is what I should have said in my first post.
Ah, yeah. I gotcha now. My fault for not reading into what you were saying a bit more, that was sheer ignorance on my part. There definitely are some vendors that do tend to be far more risky and others that tend to be far less when it comes to getting a solid product was the big point I was trying to make (and which you pretty much outlined anyways). But yes, brand definitely shouldn't be the determining factor in what you pick.
I really wanted a HP as my next computer too :-\ So what's the next best brand to buy?
Quote from: stick d00d on September 03, 2011, 08:51:34 AM
I really wanted a HP as my next computer too :-\ So what's the next best brand to buy?
Anything but Mac.
Trollolololol
Quote from: DarkTrinity on September 03, 2011, 12:25:00 PM
Quote from: stick d00d on September 03, 2011, 08:51:34 AM
I really wanted a HP as my next computer too :-\ So what's the next best brand to buy?
Anything but Mac.
Trollolololol
I agree. And not so much because I dislike their products as the fact that I dislike what they are doing to the industry (even if a lot of it is somewhat indirect).
But I'd also try and stay away from Dell if possible. They have some good deals, but if you want a company that thrives on shitty proprietary parts, horrific quality assurance, and even worse customer support, Dell is definitely the one. Asus has some really good deals, and I do know a lot of people like them, but I myself have had a number of somewhat bad experiences with them lately, so I would be hesitant to recommend them too heavily as well. Honestly, I feel like the whole industry has taken a dive in terms of quality and reliability over the last few years :-\ I would have said HP, but oh well.
Edit: Speaking of bad experiences that can be purely due to the brand as oppose to the tech-specs, here is a good example. My dad bought a high end Asus laptop, and Asus some how managed to use the wrong type of thermal glue for assembling the entire product line, so the things got like 20 degrees Celsius hotter than they were suppose to... Sure the computer was a beast on paper, but none of that mattered if you couldn't run anything without the computer almost melting. My personal expeience with them has also sucked, but for different reasons.
So much goes into building a computer that most people don't even stop to consider, but if a company cheaps out on too many of the "minor details" you can definitely end up with a lot of serious problems.
it's their new CEO L?o Apotheker who doesn't like the fact that HP's considering itself a hardware manufacturer.
How do I know that, you may ask?
Well.. The exact same person has been CEO in my company (SAP AG) for about a year, just before all employees started hating him and his weird selfish decisions. He is doing the exact same thing with hp now. Selling all Touchpads and Smartphones for $79-129 only because he likes to be the CEO of a software-only company is really what you would consider selfish (especially when thinking of all the employees loosing their jobs).
To summarize it, L?o Apotheker is an selfish asshole and I have no clue why HP picked him after the things that happened at SAP..
Quote from: Meiun on September 03, 2011, 03:36:25 PM
Quote from: DarkTrinity on September 03, 2011, 12:25:00 PM
Quote from: stick d00d on September 03, 2011, 08:51:34 AM
I really wanted a HP as my next computer too :-\ So what's the next best brand to buy?
Anything but Mac.
Trollolololol
I agree. And not so much because I dislike their products as the fact that I dislike what they are doing to the industry (even if a lot of it is somewhat indirect).
But I'd also try and stay away from Dell if possible. They have some good deals, but if you want a company that thrives on shitty proprietary parts, horrific quality assurance, and even worse customer support, Dell is definitely the one. Asus has some really good deals, and I do know a lot of people like them, but I myself have had a number of somewhat bad experiences with them lately, so I would be hesitant to recommend them too heavily as well. Honestly, I feel like the whole industry has taken a dive in terms of quality and reliability over the last few years :-\ I would have said HP, but oh well.
Edit: Speaking of bad experiences that can be purely due to the brand as oppose to the tech-specs, here is a good example. My dad bought a high end Asus laptop, and Asus some how managed to use the wrong type of thermal glue for assembling the entire product line, so the things got like 20 degrees Celsius hotter than they were suppose to... Sure the computer was a beast on paper, but none of that mattered if you couldn't run anything without the computer almost melting. My personal expeience with them has also sucked, but for different reasons.
So much goes into building a computer that most people don't even stop to consider, but if a company cheaps out on too many of the "minor details" you can definitely end up with a lot of serious problems.
My boyfriend's friend had a problem like that... something came unglued in his computer, which wasn't a big problem, he just had to buy new glue... (he's good with computers so he knew how to fix it) But the (
moronic) people at Best Buy insisted he needed new parts for his computer, when he basically just called to ask if they carried computer glue. He ended up having like a half hour argument with the Geek Squad guy. lol.
Quote from: DarkTrinity on September 03, 2011, 05:43:14 PM
Quote from: Meiun on September 03, 2011, 03:36:25 PM
Quote from: DarkTrinity on September 03, 2011, 12:25:00 PM
Quote from: stick d00d on September 03, 2011, 08:51:34 AM
I really wanted a HP as my next computer too :-\ So what's the next best brand to buy?
Anything but Mac.
Trollolololol
I agree. And not so much because I dislike their products as the fact that I dislike what they are doing to the industry (even if a lot of it is somewhat indirect).
But I'd also try and stay away from Dell if possible. They have some good deals, but if you want a company that thrives on shitty proprietary parts, horrific quality assurance, and even worse customer support, Dell is definitely the one. Asus has some really good deals, and I do know a lot of people like them, but I myself have had a number of somewhat bad experiences with them lately, so I would be hesitant to recommend them too heavily as well. Honestly, I feel like the whole industry has taken a dive in terms of quality and reliability over the last few years :-\ I would have said HP, but oh well.
Edit: Speaking of bad experiences that can be purely due to the brand as oppose to the tech-specs, here is a good example. My dad bought a high end Asus laptop, and Asus some how managed to use the wrong type of thermal glue for assembling the entire product line, so the things got like 20 degrees Celsius hotter than they were suppose to... Sure the computer was a beast on paper, but none of that mattered if you couldn't run anything without the computer almost melting. My personal expeience with them has also sucked, but for different reasons.
So much goes into building a computer that most people don't even stop to consider, but if a company cheaps out on too many of the "minor details" you can definitely end up with a lot of serious problems.
My boyfriend's friend had a problem like that... something came unglued in his computer, which wasn't a big problem, he just had to buy new glue... (he's good with computers so he knew how to fix it) But the (moronic) people at Best Buy insisted he needed new parts for his computer, when he basically just called to ask if they carried computer glue. He ended up having like a half hour argument with the Geek Squad guy. lol.
From what I hear, the qualifications to be a part of the geek squad are pretty low. Supposedly they aren't even qualified by Best Buy to do much beyond installing antivirus software and other very basic diagnostic stuff like that. Even for some of the simplest hardware upgrades, they apparently are required to ship it off. I've never worked there or anything, but that's what I've heard. This isn't to say that none of their employees are computer savvy, but apparently it isn't a requirement like you would imagine it should be.
Yep all Geek Squad did for me when I handed them my computer was installed antivirus/spyware software and gave it back... and it still ran slow...
Anyways, I think I might get another Gateway because I'm happy with the netbook I bought from them...
Quote from: stick d00d on September 03, 2011, 08:37:17 PM
Yep all Geek Squad did for me when I handed them my computer was installed antivirus/spyware software and gave it back... and it still ran slow...
Anyways, I think I might get another Gateway because I'm happy with the netbook I bought from them...
My main computer is a gateway, and I've been 100% satisfied with it. I can't speak on behalf of support, as I've never had to contact them, which to me is even better! Granted, I will say that the majority of the reason why I haven't ran into any problems is likely due to running Linux as my primary operating system, thus support is on me. If something isn't going right, it's on me to fix it. Other than that though, as far as hardware, not a problem yet, and I've had it for over 3 years now.
Quote from: Scotty on September 03, 2011, 08:43:37 PM
Quote from: stick d00d on September 03, 2011, 08:37:17 PM
Yep all Geek Squad did for me when I handed them my computer was installed antivirus/spyware software and gave it back... and it still ran slow...
Anyways, I think I might get another Gateway because I'm happy with the netbook I bought from them...
My main computer is a gateway, and I've been 100% satisfied with it. I can't speak on behalf of support, as I've never had to contact them, which to me is even better! Granted, I will say that the majority of the reason why I haven't ran into any problems is likely due to running Linux as my primary operating system, thus support is on me. If something isn't going right, it's on me to fix it. Other than that though, as far as hardware, not a problem yet, and I've had it for over 3 years now.
The computer I had that got stolen last summer was a gateway, and that thing was one of the best computers I've ever had. But unfortunately, when I looked to buy from them again for a replacement computer, they seemed to have a far more limited selection than they did a few years ago. I think they are sort of falling behind a bit nowadays, unfortunately.
Edit: I just remembered another brand that I have heard real good things about. I can't speak from personal experience on this one, but a couple of my computer science comrades back in college were saying that MSI is a great company to buy from, and also has really good support.
Quote from: Meiun on September 03, 2011, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: Scotty on September 03, 2011, 08:43:37 PM
Quote from: stick d00d on September 03, 2011, 08:37:17 PM
Yep all Geek Squad did for me when I handed them my computer was installed antivirus/spyware software and gave it back... and it still ran slow...
Anyways, I think I might get another Gateway because I'm happy with the netbook I bought from them...
My main computer is a gateway, and I've been 100% satisfied with it. I can't speak on behalf of support, as I've never had to contact them, which to me is even better! Granted, I will say that the majority of the reason why I haven't ran into any problems is likely due to running Linux as my primary operating system, thus support is on me. If something isn't going right, it's on me to fix it. Other than that though, as far as hardware, not a problem yet, and I've had it for over 3 years now.
The computer I had that got stolen last summer was a gateway, and that thing was one of the best computers I've ever had. But unfortunately, when I looked to buy from them again for a replacement computer, they seemed to have a far more limited selection than they did a few years ago. I think they are sort of falling behind a bit nowadays, unfortunately.
i knew you would be all over this topic lol.
but i have never had a gateway from what i hear about them they are nice tho.
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AT Stick DOOD: yea greek squad is stupid at least where i live lol. they do what you said and they are stuck up and stupid. one was telling me they where going to stop making computers and everything would go to tabels i laughed my ass off and this guy was not joking. then another one said i could only have 1gb ram in my netbook and i went and picked up the 2gb ram stick and shows it to him.
I try to prevent them if i go in best buy lol
Yeah... Don't even get me started on the whole "tablets and iPhones will replace computers" thing... Don't get me wrong, tablets are neat, but thats about it as far as I'm concerned. The only people who a tablet can serve as a sufficient computer for is someone who has little to no serious computing needs (or in some cases knowledge). If somehow iPads and other tablets ever ended up "replacing" modern computers I'm pretty sure I would just burn my Computer Science diploma hahaha.
My prediction is that eventually tablets are just going to evolve into laptops again, and then everyone will realize the whole pursuit of tablet computers was a massive waste of time.. When you think about it, tablets are getting more and more powerful, while the already more powerful laptops are getting thinner and thinner. Sooner or later all the tablet people are just going to be like "hey, now that the technology is good enough to do so while still maintaining the aesthetic appeal, it would sure be nice to have an optional keyboard on here too..." Then next thing you know "Hey, now that this tablet is powerful enough and has a keyboard, why the f!@# are we still running iOS or Android on it when we could be running legit linux or windows?" Then whamo, it is now a laptop.
Quote from: Meiun on September 03, 2011, 10:51:12 PM
Yeah... Don't even get me started on the whole "tablets and iPhones will replace computers" thing... Don't get me wrong, tablets are neat, but thats about it as far as I'm concerned. The only people who a tablet is sufficient enough by itself for is someone who has little to no serious computing needs (or in some cases knowledge). If tablets ever ended up "replacing" modern computers I'm pretty sure I would just burn my Computer Science diploma and then proceed to give up on life.
My prediction is that eventually tablets are eventually just going to evolve into laptops again and then everyone will realize the whole pursuit of tablet computers was a massive waste of time.. When you think about it, tablets are getting more and more powerful, while the already more powerful laptops are getting thinner and thinner. Sooner or later all the tablet people are just going to be like "hey, now that the technology is good enough to do so while still maintaining the aesthetic appeal, it would sure be nice to have an optional keyboard on here too..." Then next thing you know "Hey, now that this tablet is powerful enough and has a keyboard, why the f!@# are we still running iOS or Android on it when we could be running legit linux or windows?" Then whamo, it is now a laptop.
O trust e i know i fought with this guy for a hour. I ask about servers and all he said it would replace those to. and yea if everything goes to tabels im breaking my comp and giving up on life lol. cuz i barly use the one i have atm. LIke you said tho dont get me wrong i love my tablet but i will NEVER replace a PC lol