Anyone else have Anxiety issues? I have them really bad, especially during winter time, I can explain it more if you want, but if no one is interested, or no one else has these issues, I guess this topic is pointless?
i don't have anxiety issues, but please, explain more (:
Anxiety is pretty common, especially for people around your age. You are definitely not the only one. If you get it more-so in the winter you may have a bit of what is called "seasonal effective disorder." Despite the somewhat intimidating sounding name it actually isn't a huge deal. It pretty much just means that your body isn't getting the vitamin D that it would normally get from the sun during certain seasons, which can cause anxiety and sometimes depression and such. Try taking some vitamin D supplement pills maybe :P
I've got pretty serious anxiety that I've dealt with for many years. It's getting better with age, but I still struggle sometimes, especially when I'm out of my comfort zone. For me, I think it stems from my blood sugar disorder. I can be very high strung at times, and if my blood sugar is a little bit off, bad thoughts start popping into my head.
For example, I'll be totally fine one second, then my blood sugar begins to fall and unlikely events begin to creep up in my head. "Am I having a stroke?", "My hearts beating extremely hard and fast, I think I'm having a heart attack". All of this happens while the logical portion of my brain is trying to convince my emotions that they're wrong. "Breathe Jake, worse comes to worse, you pass out from hyperventilation", but sometimes the logical portion of my head loses and I go into a full blown panic attack that has resulted in me demanding someone take me to the hospital. Having these attacks is terrifying. I can't count how many times I've thought I was about to die. The funny part is that I'm completely unconcerned about external dangers. Close call car crashes don't phase me, people threatening me, etc. The reason for this is that I feel like I have control over external stimuli. If a car crash is about to happen, I can do something about it to stop it or save myself. I can't control whether or not I have a heart attack or a stroke (apart from eating healthier). Over-thinking things is definitely not good for people with high anxiety too. If I'm having an anxiety attack, I start to think about all my bodily functions, my organs, my blood flow, the specific configuration of molecules holding my hands together, or in other words... my mortality and how delicate life is. The idea that there's no safety net on the way these bodily functions are governed and if something were to happen to throw these systems out of whack, I could very well die.
Of course, if my anxiety is nice and low, the idea that I'm about to die is silly, and I also feel more relaxed about the idea of death itself. If I'm in a calm state, death seems inevitable, calm, apart of life. If my anxiety is high, death seems like a terrible evil thing that I want nothing to do with. It's interesting how our brains work.
But yeah, in terms of fixing your anxiety issues, my advice would be to make sure you stick to a somewhat healthy diet. Eat less simple carb foods and more fruits, vegetables, and whole wheat products. Complex carbs take longer for your system to break down, allowing you to receive a steady flow of nutrients that don't upset the balance of your blood sugar and insulin. Simple carbs cause your blood sugar to spike up and down (regardless of your age or health), and can be a huge underlying cause of anxiety. try not to go on meds unless you absolutely cannot function. Seriously, if you don't NEED them, don't touch them. They can eff with your head more than they help sometimes. Like Dustin said, suck up some vitamin D. Go outside (even if it's winter), and take some daily tablets. In fact, you may want to see your doctor and get your vitamin D checked. If it's in the low range (under 50 nmol/L), they'll prescribe you some hardcore pills to spike it back up. This actually happened to me a couple of years back. Also, find out whats triggering your anxiety and attack the source. Is it a phobia that can be attributed to an object, person, or circumstance? When is your anxiety at it's worst? When is it at it's best? Breathing exercises also help. In fact, you should start seeing a therapist asap. At the very least, just do a few sessions to get some pointers on breathing techniques, thinking techniques, and possibly above all else, someone to vent to about this stuff, because lets face it, reading some words on a forum isn't the same as true human interaction when it comes to these issues.
^ not to be a devil's advocate but most fruits contain a lot of sugar and will spike your inculin.
Quote from: Torch on January 10, 2012, 09:44:48 PM
^ not to be a devil's advocate but most fruits contain a lot of sugar and will spike your inculin.
That's true, but the sugar in fruits generally won't spike the blood sugar anywhere close to what a candy bar will do. As long as someone doesn't have any underlying blood sugar issues, the chances that a piece of fruit is going to effect their mood is pretty low. Still, it might be worthwhile to kick fruits from your diet for a while and slowly add them back in if you do think your anxiety could be somewhat related to the foods your eating. I had to go on a no carb diet a year ago, and my nutritionist had me kick fruits too. I basically ate lean meats, bacon, and celery all day, which totally sucked.
Quote from: Jake on January 10, 2012, 09:18:41 PM
For example, I'll be totally fine one second, then my blood sugar begins to fall and unlikely events begin to creep up in my head. "Am I having a stroke?", "My hearts beating extremely hard and fast, I think I'm having a heart attack". All of this happens while the logical portion of my brain is trying to convince my emotions that they're wrong. "Breathe Jake, worse comes to worse, you pass out from hyperventilation", but sometimes the logical portion of my head loses and I go into a full blown panic attack that has resulted in me demanding someone take me to the hospital.
My mom has really bad anxiety and gets exactly like what you just described. We actually ended up taking her to the hospital a couple of times and she was completely fine. (though she does take blood pressure medicine).
As for myself I used to get really bad anxiety when I was in school. Whenever I had a project to turn in or a report to write, etc, my mind would start racing and I couldn't sleep at all the night before and start sweating really bad. I would actually even stay home from school "sick" because it was that bad.
Anxiety is pretty common, me, my sister, and my mom have it and I know a lot of other people who do. Try talking to your parents or your doctor if it gets really bad though, along with what Jake said.
I'd say around from 5th to 7th grade I had some really bad anxiety issues, all of which I've now grown out of. While this probably sounds ridiculous (because it was), I had this fear of chemicals and other toxic things. While I really am not sure how I made these conclusions in my head, if I ever visually saw a container of bleach I would always talk myself into thinking I consumed it or something. It was really weird, and seemed extremely serious to me at the time...but than seemingly one day I just grew out of it. I'd probably associate that whole experience to just part of growing up, hormones, etc...
But yeah, I'm fairly sure anyone telling you they've never experienced anxiety is lying, it happens to everyone.
I think everyone's probably had an anxiety related problem, but I think some are just worse or more repeated than others. I have issues pretty much every winter with the cold, darkness and lack of sun.
Guys aren't usually into yoga(that I know of) but it taught me breathing exercises that really work wonders; they help calm you down, relax your mind, etc. It's especially nice to do them while doing yoga, because your mind has something to concentrate on. Deep breathing is the best one I think, you breathe in over a span of 8 seconds, then breathe out over a span of 8 seconds.
But I've had breathing problems which I chalked up to anxiety, because it usually happened during the gymnastic season(sometimes during practice) and during the school year.
I don't know what my anxiety issue is called, but I am terrified of illness or anything to do with becoming sick. I wash my hands 15-20 times a day. (Between every class period at school) My friend has an Anxiety/OCD problem where she pulls out her hair. It's pretty sad, I wish there was something I could do to help her out.
My anxiety is really bad during the winter, because it's flu season. I have it pretty bad. Any routine change (Like being off for Christmas break, or a long weekend) will trigger my anxiety. I can't go down to see my family. Last time I went to New Mexico to see my aunt, I was convinced I had some form of brain cancer. (Which obviously I didn't, but it seemed completely real to me) I really hate my anxiety, I wish I could get rid of it. Me and my friend Val have been struggling with it a lot lately. Her disorder makes me really sad, because it is genetic, and she said her children will most likely have it. No one should be cursed with that...
I am not stressed right now, I am fairly relaxed. My anxiety comes on at random times, sometimes. But anything will trigger it. My friend posted something about his stomach hurting on Facebook and I had a panic attack. Some weeks I am completely fine, and some weeks are terrible for me.
Quote from: Freeforall on January 12, 2012, 06:23:07 PM
I don't know what my anxiety issue is called, but I am terrified of illness or anything to do with becoming sick. I wash my hands 15-20 times a day. (Between every class period at school) My friend has an Anxiety/OCD problem where she pulls out her hair. It's pretty sad, I wish there was something I could do to help her out.
My anxiety is really bad during the winter, because it's flu season. I have it pretty bad. Any routine change (Like being off for Christmas break, or a long weekend) will trigger my anxiety. I can't go down to see my family. Last time I went to New Mexico to see my aunt, I was convinced I had some form of brain cancer. (Which obviously I didn't, but it seemed completely real to me) I really hate my anxiety, I wish I could get rid of it. Me and my friend Val have been struggling with it a lot lately. Her disorder makes me really sad, because it is genetic, and she said her children will most likely have it. No one should be cursed with that...
I am not stressed right now, I am fairly relaxed. My anxiety comes on at random times, sometimes. But anything will trigger it. My friend posted something about his stomach hurting on Facebook and I had a panic attack. Some weeks I am completely fine, and some weeks are terrible for me.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002485/
This could be what your friend has. I had anxiety issues with sickness too, until I decided that getting some sicknesses will actually enable my body to fight them better the next time they come around.
I also have anxiety with dying. I always constantly think about how anything can kill me. I could be in an airtight room with walls of diamond, but I could have an aneurysm at any moment. Again, I dealt with that by deciding how pointless it is to worry.
If I am worrying I follow this thought process:
Can I do something about it? If yes, then I do whatever I can to fix the issue. If no, then what is the point in worrying? There is none.
Quote from: Yankyal on January 12, 2012, 11:51:48 PM
If I am worrying I follow this thought process:
Can I do something about it? If yes, then I do whatever I can to fix the issue. If no, then what is the point in worrying? There is none.
^ This. This applies to
so much.
Seriously, so many people get worked up over stuff they have no reasonable control over. I don't understand it. If you can't (again, within reason) control the situation, don't sweat it, it's not worth the effort. if you can though, it is your fault if you don't do something, so keep that in mind.
Quote from: Scotty on January 13, 2012, 01:18:51 AM
Quote from: Yankyal on January 12, 2012, 11:51:48 PM
If I am worrying I follow this thought process:
Can I do something about it? If yes, then I do whatever I can to fix the issue. If no, then what is the point in worrying? There is none.
^ This. This applies to so much.
Seriously, so many people get worked up over stuff they have no reasonable control over. I don't understand it. If you can't (again, within reason) control the situation, don't sweat it, it's not worth the effort. if you can though, it is your fault if you don't do something, so keep that in mind.
It's the stuff that I can't control that scares me the most. If I found out I was going to die in 24 hours, regardless of what I do, it would do nothing to quell my fears.
I don't really worry about myself dying but I have random times where I worry about my parents/sisters/friends dying. For example when my dad's out working and I try to call and he doesn't answer after 2 or 3 times, I start freaking out. I call his phone again and again and i start worrying, "what will I do if he dies?". "how can me and my mom make it without him?" "why didn't I say good night last night?". I get really anxious about that sort of thing. I know I can't control it, and that makes it worse for me.
I do agree for much less serious issues, reminding yourself you can't control it helps.. but when it comes to death/dying, it doesn't help at all (for me at least).
Quote from: Scotty on January 13, 2012, 01:18:51 AM
Quote from: Yankyal on January 12, 2012, 11:51:48 PM
If I am worrying I follow this thought process:
Can I do something about it? If yes, then I do whatever I can to fix the issue. If no, then what is the point in worrying? There is none.
^ This. This applies to so much.
Seriously, so many people get worked up over stuff they have no reasonable control over. I don't understand it. If you can't (again, within reason) control the situation, don't sweat it, it's not worth the effort. if you can though, it is your fault if you don't do something, so keep that in mind.
*points at signature*
My sister has anxiety all the time, she works as a bus driver for mentally disabled children and adults, which can be a very stressful job at times. If shes lost her phone, wallet, keys, etc the night before work, she'll go into a total meltdown. I do my best to remind her that it's happened before, and every time she's found what she's looking for after she's calmed down a bit. I'm the kind of person that would get terrible anxiety if I were involved in constant stress, pretty much runs in my family, and I do my best to stay out of any kind of stress-inducing situation.
My friend Val does have trichotillomania. I am trying to get her a book she wanted called:
Trichotillomania Physcology by P Paulson
Can any of you help me out? I can't find a working torrent anywhere. Please, someone? It's really important.
I guess no one could find that book? Not a big deal, it's quite alright.
I had a REALLY bad breakdown today.. Still feeling pretty bad.
What do you mean by REALLY bad?
Well I hope you feel better man..
I guess it wasn't terrible.. I had a stomach ache, and I assumed something was terribly wrong. I had a panic attack, it lasted for about an hour. It just sucks, I wish there was a way to get rid of this anxiety, but I really doubt it..
Quote from: Freeforall on January 22, 2012, 12:55:59 AM
I guess it wasn't terrible.. I had a stomach ache, and I assumed something was terribly wrong. I had a panic attack, it lasted for about an hour. It just sucks, I wish there was a way to get rid of this anxiety, but I really doubt it..
See a therapist and learn breathing and thought techniques. Don't touch pills unless your anxiety gets unbearable. I'm serious. Get on it.
Quote from: Jake on January 22, 2012, 01:31:28 AM
Quote from: Freeforall on January 22, 2012, 12:55:59 AM
I guess it wasn't terrible.. I had a stomach ache, and I assumed something was terribly wrong. I had a panic attack, it lasted for about an hour. It just sucks, I wish there was a way to get rid of this anxiety, but I really doubt it..
See a therapist and learn breathing and thought techniques. Don't touch pills unless your anxiety gets unbearable. I'm serious. Get on it.
I am already taking medicine for it. I have been for about 4-5 years.
Quote from: Freeforall on January 22, 2012, 01:40:04 AM
Quote from: Jake on January 22, 2012, 01:31:28 AM
Quote from: Freeforall on January 22, 2012, 12:55:59 AM
I guess it wasn't terrible.. I had a stomach ache, and I assumed something was terribly wrong. I had a panic attack, it lasted for about an hour. It just sucks, I wish there was a way to get rid of this anxiety, but I really doubt it..
See a therapist and learn breathing and thought techniques. Don't touch pills unless your anxiety gets unbearable. I'm serious. Get on it.
I am already taking medicine for it. I have been for about 4-5 years.
which ones? if you don't mind me asking. Zoloft, prozac?
Have you guys tried smoking trees. I hear that stuff works wonders for anxiety, but I also hear it can make it worse.
Well in my own personal experience I can tell you medicines only made it worse for me. One day I just stopped taking all that stuff and decided to figure out to handle things for myself and that's when all issues went away. I am basically anti-drug for anything that doesn't cure illness. I think all mood stabilizers are just a big scam and a way for pharmacies to get people dependent on something and take their money. It sounds corny, but power of the mind really is a wonderful thing, and everyone has it. You only fear the world as much as you want to, and despite how hopeless it seems, just thinking positive can make all the difference. Of course, it's easier said than done...but that's part of the challenge of life!
I think it's prozac, it says anti-depressant on it. I wish I didn't have to take it, but if I miss more that one dose, my anxiety goes haywire..
Quote from: Yankyal on January 22, 2012, 05:04:26 AM
Have you guys tried smoking trees. I hear that stuff works wonders for anxiety, but I also hear it can make it worse.
Yeah, go smoke! Lung cancer is definably better than anxiety... ::)
Anyways, I suggest relaxing puzzle games, take your mind off of things.
aha i'm pretty sure smoking marijuana does not give you lung cancer :P
play yugioh. (:
Quote from: God-I-Suck on January 23, 2012, 07:27:57 PM
aha i'm pretty sure smoking marijuana does not give you lung cancer :P
play yugioh. (:
Whatever, it's still bad for you. Don't believe me? I'll give you the list of side effects if you don't. :P
Besides, there are much better ways to help with anxiety.
EDIT: Here ya go. http://www.marijuana-addiction.net/marijuana-side-effects.htm
Quote from: 11clock on January 23, 2012, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: God-I-Suck on January 23, 2012, 07:27:57 PM
aha i'm pretty sure smoking marijuana does not give you lung cancer :P
play yugioh. (:
Whatever, it's still bad for you. Don't believe me? I'll give you the list of side effects if you don't. :P
Besides, there are much better ways to help with anxiety.
EDIT: Here ya go. http://www.marijuana-addiction.net/marijuana-side-effects.htm
Here we go with the derailment...
In a drastic attempt to keep this from going into another weed debate, I'll pull a Scott:
Copious amounts of masturbation, warms the soul.
Quote from: Scotty on January 23, 2012, 10:07:38 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 23, 2012, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: God-I-Suck on January 23, 2012, 07:27:57 PM
aha i'm pretty sure smoking marijuana does not give you lung cancer :P
play yugioh. (:
Whatever, it's still bad for you. Don't believe me? I'll give you the list of side effects if you don't. :P
Besides, there are much better ways to help with anxiety.
EDIT: Here ya go. http://www.marijuana-addiction.net/marijuana-side-effects.htm
Here we go with the derailment...
In a drastic attempt to keep this from going into another weed debate, I'll pull a Scott:
Copious amounts of masturbation, warms the soul.
Whatever, it's still bad for you. Don't believe me? I'll give you the list of side effects if you don't.
Besides, there are much better ways to help with anxiety.
EDIT: Here ya go. http://anonymousradioshow.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/dangers-of-masturbation.jpg
Quote from: Freeforall on January 22, 2012, 04:59:36 PM
I think it's prozac, it says anti-depressant on it. I wish I didn't have to take it, but if I miss more that one dose, my anxiety goes haywire..
That's interesting, because prozac along with most other antidepressants stays in your system for days or even weeks. If you feel like your anxiety is higher after missing one day, it's probably because of your expectations. If you expect your anxiety to be higher, it probably will be. On the flip side, the prozac (or whatever drug it is) is probably having more of a placebo affect on you than anything else during the days you do take it.
Also, weed is horrible for anxiety. Seriously.
Speaking from experience, weed is better left for recreational and occasional medicinal use. Blazing to deal with psychological issues is pretty much asking to become dependent.
Weed has its place, it's amazing for bad hangovers, great for things like the flu and colds, and very helpful for things like insomnia and eating disorders. It can also be a fun social experience when used occasionally with friends, particularly when camping, at cottages, skiing, etc.
Weed is NOT great for dealing with anxiety, depression, paranoia, or any other psychological issue. Also, from what I've heard American weed costs like $20/gram which is pretty damn expensive.
Quote from: Yankyal on January 24, 2012, 12:24:27 AM
Quote from: Scotty on January 23, 2012, 10:07:38 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 23, 2012, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: God-I-Suck on January 23, 2012, 07:27:57 PM
aha i'm pretty sure smoking marijuana does not give you lung cancer :P
play yugioh. (:
Whatever, it's still bad for you. Don't believe me? I'll give you the list of side effects if you don't. :P
Besides, there are much better ways to help with anxiety.
EDIT: Here ya go. http://www.marijuana-addiction.net/marijuana-side-effects.htm
Here we go with the derailment...
In a drastic attempt to keep this from going into another weed debate, I'll pull a Scott:
Copious amounts of masturbation, warms the soul.
Whatever, it's still bad for you. Don't believe me? I'll give you the list of side effects if you don't.
Besides, there are much better ways to help with anxiety.
EDIT: Here ya go. http://anonymousradioshow.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/dangers-of-masturbation.jpg
I'm not sure what to make of this picture, but I'm also against masturbation.
Quote from: 11clock on January 24, 2012, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: Yankyal on January 24, 2012, 12:24:27 AM
Quote from: Scotty on January 23, 2012, 10:07:38 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 23, 2012, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: God-I-Suck on January 23, 2012, 07:27:57 PM
aha i'm pretty sure smoking marijuana does not give you lung cancer :P
play yugioh. (:
Whatever, it's still bad for you. Don't believe me? I'll give you the list of side effects if you don't. :P
Besides, there are much better ways to help with anxiety.
EDIT: Here ya go. http://www.marijuana-addiction.net/marijuana-side-effects.htm
Here we go with the derailment...
In a drastic attempt to keep this from going into another weed debate, I'll pull a Scott:
Copious amounts of masturbation, warms the soul.
Whatever, it's still bad for you. Don't believe me? I'll give you the list of side effects if you don't.
Besides, there are much better ways to help with anxiety.
EDIT: Here ya go. http://anonymousradioshow.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/dangers-of-masturbation.jpg
I'm not sure what to make of this picture, but I'm also against masturbation.
Man, you are one helluva a joy kill, lemme tell ya! :-\
Quote from: Scotty on January 24, 2012, 04:52:48 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 24, 2012, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: Yankyal on January 24, 2012, 12:24:27 AM
Quote from: Scotty on January 23, 2012, 10:07:38 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 23, 2012, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: God-I-Suck on January 23, 2012, 07:27:57 PM
aha i'm pretty sure smoking marijuana does not give you lung cancer :P
play yugioh. (:
Whatever, it's still bad for you. Don't believe me? I'll give you the list of side effects if you don't. :P
Besides, there are much better ways to help with anxiety.
EDIT: Here ya go. http://www.marijuana-addiction.net/marijuana-side-effects.htm
Here we go with the derailment...
In a drastic attempt to keep this from going into another weed debate, I'll pull a Scott:
Copious amounts of masturbation, warms the soul.
Whatever, it's still bad for you. Don't believe me? I'll give you the list of side effects if you don't.
Besides, there are much better ways to help with anxiety.
EDIT: Here ya go. http://anonymousradioshow.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/dangers-of-masturbation.jpg
I'm not sure what to make of this picture, but I'm also against masturbation.
Man, you are one helluva a joy kill, lemme tell ya! :-\
Nah, I get the joke now. Funny. :P
Wait.. You're against masturbation? That's actually healthy though.
Quote from: Jake on January 24, 2012, 11:05:55 PM
Wait.. You're against masturbation? That's actually healthy though.
In an attempt to prevent derailment, I've caused it. Eff this, I can't win...
Quote from: Jake on January 24, 2012, 11:05:55 PM
Wait.. You're against masturbation? That's actually healthy though.
While drugs is just a thing I'm against because most drugs are addicting and can make you become incredibly dependent on the stuff (and can be very unhealthy), I'm against masturbation because of my religious beliefs. The Bible states that lust is a sin, and I count masturbation as a form of lust. I don't go around and hate people because of it, everyone sins, it's just that it's something I do not want to get into. I understand why people masturbate, though I don't have that problem myself.
Drugs, on the other hand, are something I'd like to argue against. I've been through two health classes, and let me tell you, I saw some horrible things. I still see no reason why people do drugs. They make you dependent, cause problems in your body, and can ruin your life.
I have a cousin who smoked, and 30% of his lungs are permanently damaged because of it.If you're interested in anything else I don't like, I also am an anti-alcoholic (similar to reasons why I don't like drugs) and I don't like tattoos (most people who get tattoos regret it later) and piercings (they gross me out). I'm a fun-killer, indeed. :P
^ I'm gonna fight this point. Recreational marijuana use is not only great fun, but actually has some real benefits. Medicinal use aside (and there are many medicinal uses), it is fantastic stress-relief, relaxes muscles, and heightens senses for greater appreciation of art, music, food, etc.
It is totally non-addictive, the damage it does to lungs is almost negligible, especially compared to tobacco. In fact, vaporizers and edibles completely eliminate lung damage. The only problem weed can have is in making it habitual, almost exactly the same way video games can be a problem.
Life's not about restraint and self-control, life is about experience. Sometimes, eating a big mac or drinking with your friends makes you a better person, not because of any health benefits but because of the joy of the experience. Same goes for weed. Just stick to social situations and don't be stupid about it, you have nothing to worry about.
Quote from: Torch on January 25, 2012, 05:54:54 PM
^ I'm gonna fight this point. Recreational marijuana use is not only great fun, but actually has some real benefits. Medicinal use aside (and there are many medicinal uses), it is fantastic stress-relief, relaxes muscles, and heightens senses for greater appreciation of art, music, food, etc.
It's also illegal in the US. I fully acknowledge that's not a good reason for not doing it(and I'd like to see it legalized, though I have no intention of wanting to partake in its use), but the consequences of someone getting caught do exist. Especially a minor, which 11 is.
As someone who knows 11 very well, I can tell you he simply doesn't want to do any of those things. It's not solely because of his religiousness, either. He just doesn't care about it.
I'm the same way. I've never masturbated(nor have I ever been 'turned on'), never illegally drunk, nor did any drugs. And when I do become of age to drink alcoholic beverages, I'll go to bars and order mixes sans the alcohol.
While I also realize how much I'm in the minority here, I'll stick to that way of living because I don't enjoy doing those things(and since I don't care, I have no reason to risk the minor damaging effects of each just to experience them).
[You should also realize that I'm not conservative in the least nor religious(I'm an atheist), I'm pretty far left. I believe a mixture of all the types of government in different areas is the most effective, and I'd like to see regulated capitalism flourish. But that's for another day, and I don't ever foresee a politics topic popping up here anytime soon.]
It's also probably related to how much I bloody hate taking medicine. I take >12 pills daily, and wish I didn't have to deal with any of them.
Quote from: 11clock on January 25, 2012, 05:23:25 PM
Quote from: Jake on January 24, 2012, 11:05:55 PM
Wait.. You're against masturbation? That's actually healthy though.
While drugs is just a thing I'm against because most drugs are addicting and can make you become incredibly dependent on the stuff (and can be very unhealthy), I'm against masturbation because of my religious beliefs. The Bible states that lust is a sin, and I count masturbation as a form of lust. I don't go around and hate people because of it, everyone sins, it's just that it's something I do not want to get into. I understand why people masturbate, though I don't have that problem myself.
Drugs, on the other hand, are something I'd like to argue against. I've been through two health classes, and let me tell you, I saw some horrible things. I still see no reason why people do drugs. They make you dependent, cause problems in your body, and can ruin your life. I have a cousin who smoked, and 30% of his lungs are permanently damaged because of it.
If you're interested in anything else I don't like, I also am an anti-alcoholic (similar to reasons why I don't like drugs) and I don't like tattoos (most people who get tattoos regret it later) and piercings (they gross me out). I'm a fun-killer, indeed. :P
People do drugs to make life less shitty (or a good life even better, if you're optimistic). If you want to become enlightened, start challenging your beliefs. If you don't, well, you'll probably be happy you didn't. I swallowed the red pill a few years ago and wish I could go back.
Quote from: Jake on January 25, 2012, 08:04:12 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 25, 2012, 05:23:25 PM
Quote from: Jake on January 24, 2012, 11:05:55 PM
Wait.. You're against masturbation? That's actually healthy though.
While drugs is just a thing I'm against because most drugs are addicting and can make you become incredibly dependent on the stuff (and can be very unhealthy), I'm against masturbation because of my religious beliefs. The Bible states that lust is a sin, and I count masturbation as a form of lust. I don't go around and hate people because of it, everyone sins, it's just that it's something I do not want to get into. I understand why people masturbate, though I don't have that problem myself.
Drugs, on the other hand, are something I'd like to argue against. I've been through two health classes, and let me tell you, I saw some horrible things. I still see no reason why people do drugs. They make you dependent, cause problems in your body, and can ruin your life. I have a cousin who smoked, and 30% of his lungs are permanently damaged because of it.
If you're interested in anything else I don't like, I also am an anti-alcoholic (similar to reasons why I don't like drugs) and I don't like tattoos (most people who get tattoos regret it later) and piercings (they gross me out). I'm a fun-killer, indeed. :P
People do drugs to make life less shitty (or a good life even better, if you're optimistic). If you want to become enlightened, start challenging your beliefs. If you don't, well, you'll probably be happy you didn't. I swallowed the red pill a few years ago and wish I could go back.
It makes life less horrible because it makes you FEEL good, but it doesn't change anything in reality? Life can be horrible, that is a fact that you can't escape.
Also, I've questioned my beliefs many times, and all of my questions have been shot down by my twin brother, who knows Christianity like the back of his hand.
And as I've said, I have a cousin who now suffers for the rest of his life due to drugs. I do not wish to follow the same path. Keep the drugs to yourself, I want to enjoy life the way I do now, thank you.
@Torch: "Marijuana contains some of the highest cancer causing substances known. It contains carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, acetone, benzene, toluene, vinyl chloride, dimethylnitrosamine, methylethylnitrosamine, benz(a)anthracene, benz(a)pyrene, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, and many more." (Huber, Gary: Pharm.Biochem.Behavior Vol.40. P.630, 1991.) There is a secret behind every drug.
Quote from: 11clock on January 25, 2012, 08:26:06 PM
It makes life less horrible because it makes you FEEL good, but it doesn't change anything in reality? Life can be horrible, that is a fact that you can't escape.
By that logic, taking advil is pointless because it doesn't change reality. Reality is what we perceive it to be. For some people, drugs are a coping mechanism to help them deal with their version of reality, even if there are better ways of doing so. I'm not arguing that drugs are awesome or good for you, but I can empathize with people that do them to cope with a hard life, or even to have some fun at a party.
QuoteAnd as I've said, I have a cousin who now suffers for the rest of his life due to drugs. I do not wish to follow the same path. Keep the drugs to yourself, I want to enjoy life the way I do now, thank you.
Maybe you misunderstood my point a bit. I don't like doing drugs either, but that doesn't mean I can't understand people that do do them and their reasons for doing so.
Quote@Torch: "Marijuana contains some of the highest cancer causing substances known. It contains carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, acetone, benzene, toluene, vinyl chloride, dimethylnitrosamine, methylethylnitrosamine, benz(a)anthracene, benz(a)pyrene, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, and many more." (Huber, Gary: Pharm.Biochem.Behavior Vol.40. P.630, 1991.) There is a secret behind every drug.
Coffee has over 800 chemicals in it, including rat carcinogens. It also contains over 200 different types of acids. Coffee contains caffeine that can damage your liver over time, and it also contains polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons with can cause cancer. There have been 5,448 cases of caffeine poisoning since 2008, and 0 cases of over dosing on marijuana. http://www.chacha.com/question/how-many-people-die-from-coffee%26%2347%3Bcaffeine-per-year (http://www.chacha.com/question/how-many-people-die-from-coffee%26%2347%3Bcaffeine-per-year)
http://www.alivefoods.com/coffee.html (http://www.alivefoods.com/coffee.html)
Quote from: Jake on January 25, 2012, 09:16:31 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 25, 2012, 08:26:06 PM
It makes life less horrible because it makes you FEEL good, but it doesn't change anything in reality? Life can be horrible, that is a fact that you can't escape.
By that logic, taking advil is pointless because it doesn't change reality. Reality is what we perceive it to be. For some people, drugs are a coping mechanism to help them deal with their version of reality, even if there are better ways of doing so. I'm not arguing that drugs are awesome or good for you, but I can empathize with people that do them to cope with a hard life, or even to have some fun at a party.
I understand that now.
QuoteAnd as I've said, I have a cousin who now suffers for the rest of his life due to drugs. I do not wish to follow the same path. Keep the drugs to yourself, I want to enjoy life the way I do now, thank you.
Maybe you misunderstood my point a bit. I don't like doing drugs either, but that doesn't mean I can't understand people that do do them and their reasons for doing so.
I agree. I need to stop judging people.
Quote@Torch: "Marijuana contains some of the highest cancer causing substances known. It contains carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, acetone, benzene, toluene, vinyl chloride, dimethylnitrosamine, methylethylnitrosamine, benz(a)anthracene, benz(a)pyrene, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, and many more." (Huber, Gary: Pharm.Biochem.Behavior Vol.40. P.630, 1991.) There is a secret behind every drug.
Coffee has over 800 chemicals in it, including rat carcinogens. It also contains over 200 different types of acids. Coffee contains caffeine that can damage your liver over time, and it also contains polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons with can cause cancer. There have been 5,448 cases of caffeine poisoning since 2008, and 0 cases of over dosing on marijuana. http://www.chacha.com/question/how-many-people-die-from-coffee%26%2347%3Bcaffeine-per-year (http://www.chacha.com/question/how-many-people-die-from-coffee%26%2347%3Bcaffeine-per-year)
http://www.alivefoods.com/coffee.html (http://www.alivefoods.com/coffee.html)
lol I don't drink coffee, but now that I know what's in it I don't think I ever will now. :P I guess you proved your point on marijuana, but I still don't wish to get into that.
I learned to associate drugs/alcohol use with social situations/get togethers.. and it helps. A party, watching a game, being at a game/concert etc. are the only times I have ever used marijuana/alcohol. I could never just drink by myself, would at the very least be drinking with one or two other people. It lightens the mood of everything and (not trying to advocate it) makes me just feel a bit loosened up, because I'm a bit shy around certain people. I definitely respect anyone who doesn't do drugs. I know that I am not addicted because I can control how much I drink and when I drink and have only smoked pot twice in my entire life, so it really just comes down to self control in my opinion.
I'm all for independent thought, making your own choices, creating your own life. This is how society moves forward. In this sense, I respect the drug-free, religious, play-it-safe man in his choice to live life in a way that he sees fit.
The problems I have are with the propaganda that mislead people into making bias decisions. The majority of anti-drug organizations in the United States are owned by pharmaceutical companies. Teenagers learn all about the "negatives" of marijuana (don't even get me started on some of the ridiculous claims they make about it) and learn absolutely NOTHING about the benefits. The information isn't given to you fact-by-fact, it is organized, condensed, exaggerated, and even falsified for the sake of upholding laws that are only in place to make sure drugs like aspirin are still in high demand.
In high school, we were given an agenda with "facts" about drugs in the back. One "fact" stated that most teenagers have never smoked marijuana, in fine print they showed their exact statistics: "only 32% of EIGHTH-GRADERS have stated that they had smoked marijuana".
How can a non-smoker make any kind of reasonable decision with all this anti-drug propaganda being thrown at them? They can't, and when they do eventually smoke, they don't know how to properly smoke it or when it is appropriate. If you are dead-set on never smoking weed, I just want you to make the decision knowing exactly what it is that you're denying yourself. You could be missing out on something great.
For some reason, I have a hard time believing marijuana actually contains ammonia in its original form... (meaning I think some people add stuff to it) And I have a hard time believing half the things the government says about marijuana.
I can see why people do it, though I think over using is bad for the same reason people become alcoholics. They just try to hide behind a drug instead of facing the real world and I don't think that's healthy no matter what kind of drug(mentally and physically). As for doing it every once and awhile, again, I compared it to alcohol. Going out drinking with your friends isn't a bad thing (assuming you don't attempt to get alcohol poisoning every time you go out), just like smoking marijuana every once and a while I don't think is a bad thing.
That being said, I'd like to state I haven't tried marijuana and I have no intention to. And the thing that bugs me the most is when people try to convince me to try it "just once". I don't need it, I may end up liking it but I don't want to like it as it is illegal, not cheap and I think it's a waste of good money that I could use on more important things... Like clothes! :D (yea, you can take hits from other people who bought it, but if you always do that, you're pretty much a cheap ass moocher.) That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. If I ever want to try it, it'll be when *I* want to, not when other people try to convince me or pressure me into doing it.
I'll stick to my killer coffee thanks ;P
I Google lots of random stuff for spellcheck and found this. http://www.socialanxietysupport.com/ Hope it helps
Quote from: Torch on January 26, 2012, 12:22:09 AM
I'm all for independent thought, making your own choices, creating your own life. This is how society moves forward. In this sense, I respect the drug-free, religious, play-it-safe man in his choice to live life in a way that he sees fit.
The problems I have are with the propaganda that mislead people into making bias decisions. The majority of anti-drug organizations in the United States are owned by pharmaceutical companies. Teenagers learn all about the "negatives" of marijuana (don't even get me started on some of the ridiculous claims they make about it) and learn absolutely NOTHING about the benefits. The information isn't given to you fact-by-fact, it is organized, condensed, exaggerated, and even falsified for the sake of upholding laws that are only in place to make sure drugs like aspirin are still in high demand.
In high school, we were given an agenda with "facts" about drugs in the back. One "fact" stated that most teenagers have never smoked marijuana, in fine print they showed their exact statistics: "only 32% of EIGHTH-GRADERS have stated that they had smoked marijuana".
How can a non-smoker make any kind of reasonable decision with all this anti-drug propaganda being thrown at them? They can't, and when they do eventually smoke, they don't know how to properly smoke it or when it is appropriate. If you are dead-set on never smoking weed, I just want you to make the decision knowing exactly what it is that you're denying yourself. You could be missing out on something great.
The problem is that, like others said, weed is illegal. I like to play by the rules, and I'm very strict when it comes to rules. In fact, this is how I respond to rule breakers (without the swearing): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NylmdC_uEM I also just don't see myself doing drugs and drinking alcohol, not part of my personality.
Quote from: 11clock on January 26, 2012, 04:35:46 PM
In fact, this is how I respond to rule breakers (without the swearing): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NylmdC_uEM
Meh, you're just wasting your energy at that point. No sense in getting worked up over others who don't agree with your sense of morals and what you feel is right and wrong (at least on this low of a level). There's nothing you can do about it.
Quote from: Scotty on January 26, 2012, 04:42:16 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 26, 2012, 04:35:46 PM
In fact, this is how I respond to rule breakers (without the swearing): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NylmdC_uEM
Meh, you're just wasting your energy at that point. No sense in getting worked up over others who don't agree with your sense of morals and what you feel is right and wrong (at least on this low of a level). There's nothing you can do about it.
I'm aware of that and it's a problem I'm working on. :P
Quote from: DarkTrinity on January 26, 2012, 12:42:41 PM
That being said, I'd like to state I haven't tried marijuana and I have no intention to. And the thing that bugs me the most is when people try to convince me to try it "just once". I don't need it, I may end up liking it but I don't want to like it as it is illegal, not cheap and I think it's a waste of good money that I could use on more important things... Like clothes! :D
That same logic could be used for video games. You may end up liking them, they're very expensive, and incredibly time-consuming. Marijuana "addiction" is actually virtually identical to video game "addiction".
Quote from: 11clock on January 26, 2012, 04:35:46 PM
The problem is that, like others said, weed is illegal. I like to play by the rules, and I'm very strict when it comes to rules.
If they came out with a law banning the worship of God, do you follow the rules or not? I'd like to think that you, as a human being that thinks for yourself, ignore the shit out of a law that oversteps it's boundaries and takes away your freedoms.
I'm not one to get into serious debates, I don't know about the beneficial and negative effects of weed, or if copious amounts of masturbation is good for the soul. I do know one thing that will kill you; stress. My advice, take some time out of your schedule and do whatever relaxes you, drugs, masturbation, prayer, a good book or an intellectual conversation, the specifics don't matter. Anxiety is one of your body's many ways of communicating with you, and it's telling you that you need to slow down and take a breather.
Quote from: 11clock on January 26, 2012, 04:35:46 PM
The problem is that, like others said, weed is illegal. I like to play by the rules, and I'm very strict when it comes to rules.
Note that the reason I said that is not because of the legality of the drug, it's the consequences that occur if you get caught that's DUE to it being illegal that I gave that as a reason. Just 'because it's illegal' by itself is an absolutely horrible reason.
Legality shouldn't play a factor at all in making choices. For many people it doesn't, the punishments are all that are there to reinforce not doing something.
Quote from: Torch on January 26, 2012, 12:22:09 AM
I just want you to make the decision knowing exactly what it is that you're denying yourself. You could be missing out on something great.
I'm fully aware of what I'm denying myself. It's something I've never wanted to partake in, never will, and I'll be all the better for it.
I'll never be in a situation where I'd be coerced into ingesting it or another similar substance, like alcohol. I don't do that for anyone and don't want to even experience it once because of its minor harmful downsides.
I don't drink coffee and rarely drink other caffeinated beverages. I eat junk food or just plain bad-for-you food in strict moderation. I'm forced by my parents(and for my health for the vast majority of them)to take medications, but wish I could do away with them.
I don't limit something like that to just an illegal(that should be legal) drug.
Out of many many things I've done that are terrible for you, I'd say marijuana has actually been the least terrible for my health.
Edit: Also, I don't activly use it. Trying it a few times was more than enough for me, and it opened my views up a quite a bit.
Thats besides the point though.
Though most of the decisions I've made I'm fairly happy with, because I know I can look back on my life and see I took some risks.
Quote from: Jake on January 26, 2012, 08:02:14 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 26, 2012, 04:35:46 PM
The problem is that, like others said, weed is illegal. I like to play by the rules, and I'm very strict when it comes to rules.
If they came out with a law banning the worship of God, do you follow the rules or not? I'd like to think that you, as a human being that thinks for yourself, ignore the shit out of a law that oversteps it's boundaries and takes away your freedoms.
Now if there was a law that conflicts with Christian 'law,' I'd rather follow the Christian 'law,' and to avoid punishment move to another country that offers religious freedom.
It's not like that that will happen, anyways. America was founded on religious freedom. The first amendment gives us the right of free speech.
@Mystery True, there is no point in following rules unless there are consequences for breaking them. I count the feeling of guilt as a consequence, though.
In response to the legality of weed comments, change doesn't come easy. I don't know if you guys celebrate 420 or Weed March, but these movements push for unreasonable laws to be changed. Without weed users, the government would have no pressure to change their laws and we'd never get anywhere. The government is supposed to represent the interests of the people and by constantly testing the laws on weed, we are showing the government what exactly our interests are.
In Canada, weed will likely be available in stores for recreational use within the next 5 years. The Liberal Party (one of the 2 major political parties in Canada) and the Green Party have both stated their support for making marijuana available in government-controlled stores for recreational use.
Also, getting caught with reasonable amounts of weed (under 30 grams in Canada) won't even get you a criminal charge. The worst that can happen is getting your weed taken and getting a small ticket (usually under $100). In fact, it's legal to be high! The only crime is in possession and they can't even search you for it for appearing high or smelling of weed. The only real laws are on illegal trafficking.
Quote from: Torch on January 26, 2012, 10:39:42 PM
In response to the legality of weed comments, change doesn't come easy. I don't know if you guys celebrate 420 or Weed March, but these movements push for unreasonable laws to be changed. Without weed users, the government would have no pressure to change their laws and we'd never get anywhere. The government is supposed to represent the interests of the people and by constantly testing the laws on weed, we are showing the government what exactly our interests are.
In Canada, weed will likely be available in stores for recreational use within the next 5 years. The Liberal Party (one of the 2 major political parties in Canada) and the Green Party have both stated their support for making marijuana available in government-controlled stores for recreational use.
Also, getting caught with reasonable amounts of weed (under 30 grams in Canada) won't even get you a criminal charge. The worst that can happen is getting your weed taken and getting a small ticket (usually under $100). In fact, it's legal to be high! The only crime is in possession and they can't even search you for it for appearing high or smelling of weed. The only real laws are on illegal trafficking.
The US govt. keeps weed illegal (unless prescribed) because they like to arrest/fine people for petty shit instead of going after real criminals. But honestly they could make big bucks off of legalizing it.
Quote from: Torch on January 26, 2012, 07:46:24 PM
Quote from: DarkTrinity on January 26, 2012, 12:42:41 PM
That being said, I'd like to state I haven't tried marijuana and I have no intention to. And the thing that bugs me the most is when people try to convince me to try it "just once". I don't need it, I may end up liking it but I don't want to like it as it is illegal, not cheap and I think it's a waste of good money that I could use on more important things... Like clothes! :D
That same logic could be used for video games. You may end up liking them, they're very expensive, and incredibly time-consuming. Marijuana "addiction" is actually virtually identical to video game "addiction".
I would not say virtually identical... Being as I don't play many console games and mostly mmorpg's, I don't have to pay for shit. Smoking marijuana also isn't very time consuming at all, but I also really don't like the smell (can't say that about video games :P ) Also, if you do buy a video game, you can use it over and over again and can last you a life time, you definitely can't say the same t hing about weed. Idk how much $40 of weed will buy you (but I'm sure it's not much), depending how much you smoke, that may last you a week? A video game can last a life-time and can even be traded in for money back or for different games.
This is basically my reasoning as why I don't particularly like spending money on fast food... Because it's a lot of money for less than a day's worth of enjoyment.
I'm not worried about being "addicted" to it, just that I would like it and spend money on it, so I'm not sure how addiction came into play... I just don't feel like it needs to be a part of my life. I've gotten along perfectly fine without it so why should I start now? I have other devices that help to relax me, I don't need drugs for that.
Also I'd like to point out, I have yet to hear of a cop in the US(or at least in Minnesota) that has arrested someone for smoking weed. That's small fish, they really don't care if kids are smoking marijuana, the most they'll do is take any weed you have on you and smash your bowl, then let you walk away. Unless of course you have enough weed on you to be a potential big seller/grower... That's when you get jail time.
Quote from: DarkTrinity on January 27, 2012, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: Torch on January 26, 2012, 07:46:24 PM
Quote from: DarkTrinity on January 26, 2012, 12:42:41 PM
That being said, I'd like to state I haven't tried marijuana and I have no intention to. And the thing that bugs me the most is when people try to convince me to try it "just once". I don't need it, I may end up liking it but I don't want to like it as it is illegal, not cheap and I think it's a waste of good money that I could use on more important things... Like clothes! :D
That same logic could be used for video games. You may end up liking them, they're very expensive, and incredibly time-consuming. Marijuana "addiction" is actually virtually identical to video game "addiction".
I would not say virtually identical... Being as I don't play many console games and mostly mmorpg's, I don't have to pay for shit. Smoking marijuana also isn't very time consuming at all, but I also really don't like the smell (can't say that about video games :P ) Also, if you do buy a video game, you can use it over and over again and can last you a life time, you definitely can't say the same t hing about weed. Idk how much $40 of weed will buy you (but I'm sure it's not much), depending how much you smoke, that may last you a week? A video game can last a life-time and can even be traded in for money back or for different games.
This is basically my reasoning as why I don't particularly like spending money on fast food... Because it's a lot of money for less than a day's worth of enjoyment.
I'm not worried about being "addicted" to it, just that I would like it and spend money on it, so I'm not sure how addiction came into play... I just don't feel like it needs to be a part of my life. I've gotten along perfectly fine without it so why should I start now? I have other devices that help to relax me, I don't need drugs for that.
Also I'd like to point out, I have yet to hear of a cop in the US(or at least in Minnesota) that has arrested someone for smoking weed. That's small fish, they really don't care if kids are smoking marijuana, the most they'll do is take any weed you have on you and smash your bowl, then let you walk away. Unless of course you have enough weed on you to be a potential big seller/grower... That's when you get jail time.
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Marijuana#Total
I hear about this shit all the time in Vegas. 750k arrests in 2010 just for possession.
Also not sure why jacking off is bad when eventually you will have a sex dream anyways. "Lust" is built into humans biologically. It also reduces the risk of cancer. Maybe the big man upstairs should've thought the male anatomy through before he started making rules on it.
@DarkTrinity
Weed is about twice the price in the US and is nowhere near the quality of Canadian weed. $40 of weed here will last a weekend smoker months. Also, my point is marijuana isn't addictive. It can become habitual and a replacement for social interaction, just like video games. If you're not worried about getting hooked on video games, you really should not be worried about getting hooked on weed.
@Yankyal
That's Vegas though... Big city with cops who have tons of stuff on their plate. I mean, I live close to minneapolis(granted no where near as big as vegas), but I know people who have been caught with weed and they didn't get fined or anything. Just their weed taken away and bowls smashed. I know someone who used to sell weed and he went to juvi and he only got like community service or something along those lines. I think most of the time if you're honest with the police, it'll turn out better for you. If you lie to them and say you haven't been smoking and turns out you were, then they will not be pleased.
Quote from: Torch on January 27, 2012, 05:42:04 PM
@DarkTrinity
Weed is about twice the price in the US and is nowhere near the quality of Canadian weed. $40 of weed here will last a weekend smoker months. Also, my point is marijuana isn't addictive. It can become habitual and a replacement for social interaction, just like video games. If you're not worried about getting hooked on video games, you really should not be worried about getting hooked on weed.
Nono... that's not my point. I'm NOT worried about being addicted to weed, I'm worried about simply "liking" it. Which would then lead to me spending money on something I don't really need, because yes, it costs more here and I think it is a waste of money... especially when i can relax and relieve stress for free via yoga/art/music/etc.
I've seen people ruin their lives over weed... My boyfriend's mom got thrown off her prescriptions because they found THC in her system. I've know people who would rather spend money and time on weed than their own kids(granted that's also addictive personality there). I've known people who've gotten mugged over weed. I know someone who had an anxiety attack and passed out from smoking weed(wasn't their first time either). Heck I even know someone who grows it and their ex-friend threatened to turn them in.
Yeah, there's some extreme cases here I know... but just from people I've met and stories I've heard, it's just turned me away from it. That's just my personal choice. I'm not gonna tell anyone to quit or that they shouldn't do it. I just have no interest in it.
Quote from: 11clock on January 26, 2012, 10:36:16 PM
@Mystery True, there is no point in following rules unless there are consequences for breaking them. I count the feeling of guilt as a consequence, though.
You're not getting what I'm saying.
You need to distinguish between rules that have merit and should be enforced, and rules that are stupid (even criminal) and shouldn't be a rule in the first place.
For example, did you know many states in the US effectively forbid atheists from holding office for no reason other than 'because we say so'? http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/StateConstitutions.htm
Quote from: Freeforall on January 13, 2012, 05:24:45 PM
My friend Val does have trichotillomania. I am trying to get her a book she wanted called:
Trichotillomania Physcology by P Paulson
Can any of you help me out? I can't find a working torrent anywhere. Please, someone? It's really important.
Going back to this topic for a sec, I know someone with this as well, and it's extremely difficult to cure. One thing your friend should look into is taking N-acetylcysteine. It has been shown to help with the compulsion to pull. Check this out: http://altmedicine.about.com/b/2009/07/22/supplement-may-help-stop-trichotillomania.htm
@DT
Yeah as with anything illegal you can really mess yourself up if you abuse it. Anyway, you definitely don't need to smoke it's just when people are mislead in the facts they use to make their decisions that it bothers me.
Also yeah weed can make you pass out if you smoke waaay too much but it's not even comparable to alcohol. You smoke a stupid amount and you pass out and might puke, no hangover. You overdrink and you puke, are at risk of alcohol poisoning, !@#$ up your liver, and have a hangover.
Quote from: Mystery on January 27, 2012, 06:09:50 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 26, 2012, 10:36:16 PM
@Mystery True, there is no point in following rules unless there are consequences for breaking them. I count the feeling of guilt as a consequence, though.
You're not getting what I'm saying.
You need to distinguish between rules that have merit and should be enforced, and rules that are stupid (even criminal) and shouldn't be a rule in the first place.
For example, did you know many states in the US effectively forbid atheists from holding office for no reason other than 'because we say so'? http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/StateConstitutions.htm
...Doesn't that go against the Constitution AND the Bible? O.o Goes to show how corrupt the government is.
Quote from: 11clock on January 28, 2012, 12:10:05 AM
Quote from: Mystery on January 27, 2012, 06:09:50 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 26, 2012, 10:36:16 PM
@Mystery True, there is no point in following rules unless there are consequences for breaking them. I count the feeling of guilt as a consequence, though.
You're not getting what I'm saying.
You need to distinguish between rules that have merit and should be enforced, and rules that are stupid (even criminal) and shouldn't be a rule in the first place.
For example, did you know many states in the US effectively forbid atheists from holding office for no reason other than 'because we say so'? http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/StateConstitutions.htm
...Doesn't that go against the Constitution AND the Bible? O.o Goes to show how corrupt the government is.
If the government is corrupt why would you feel guilty for breaking one of its most ridiculous laws?
Also DT, that wasn't "just" vegas. That was the entire US and the number of arrests made for ONLY possession. Your cops aren't following the law if they aren't arresting people with weed(not saying that's a bad thing).
Quote from: 11clock on January 28, 2012, 12:10:05 AM
Quote from: Mystery on January 27, 2012, 06:09:50 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 26, 2012, 10:36:16 PM
@Mystery True, there is no point in following rules unless there are consequences for breaking them. I count the feeling of guilt as a consequence, though.
You're not getting what I'm saying.
You need to distinguish between rules that have merit and should be enforced, and rules that are stupid (even criminal) and shouldn't be a rule in the first place.
For example, did you know many states in the US effectively forbid atheists from holding office for no reason other than 'because we say so'? http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/StateConstitutions.htm
...Doesn't that go against the Constitution AND the Bible? O.o Goes to show how corrupt the government is.
The point of all of this, so far as I can tell, is to not blindly follow any and every word that someone tells you to without thinking first. It just so happens that the Christian Bible is the number #1 publication in the entire world, and has a lot of rules, thus people find it very easy to just accept that and take the cheap way out by thinking they need to live it without question. Makes their lives easy right?
I have my own interpretations of how a happy life is achieved. The bible tells me that marriage is only valid if the female is a virgin, or else she should be stoned by the men of her city (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)... Should I call the police on my girlfriend and tell them to bring the rocks or am I morally obligated to gather the stones myself before their arrival? Mark 10:1-12 tells me that as soon as I am married, I cannot divorce. If I divorce and find another, I'm still committing adultery, and I'm fairly certain most knowledgeable people know what adultery means for them. I've seen many marriages go wrong where health and even lives are on the line over deranged marriages, so what's the lesser evil? Death by spouse or Death by adulterous stoning? Heck, many bible thumpers out there have likely already broken several "rules" in Leviticus, be it that you have touched the skin of a pig (any football players here?), eaten shellfish, gotten tattoos, and if none of those, cutting the hair around your temples, or mar (cut) your beard (Leviticus 19:27). Does that mean I have to make sure I grow it back out before I die so that St. Peter won't know when I try to get through the pearly gates?
I believe in morality, and my code of honor means doing right, regardless of what others might say is "right". As far as the government, well that's a given. Their only purpose is to unite everyone under one rule so that they may all be ignored and disregarded equally.
Quote from: Scotty on January 28, 2012, 01:19:09 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 28, 2012, 12:10:05 AM
Quote from: Mystery on January 27, 2012, 06:09:50 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 26, 2012, 10:36:16 PM
@Mystery True, there is no point in following rules unless there are consequences for breaking them. I count the feeling of guilt as a consequence, though.
You're not getting what I'm saying.
You need to distinguish between rules that have merit and should be enforced, and rules that are stupid (even criminal) and shouldn't be a rule in the first place.
For example, did you know many states in the US effectively forbid atheists from holding office for no reason other than 'because we say so'? http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/StateConstitutions.htm
...Doesn't that go against the Constitution AND the Bible? O.o Goes to show how corrupt the government is.
The point of all of this, so far as I can tell, is to not blindly follow any and every word that someone tells you to without thinking first. It just so happens that the Christian Bible is the number #1 publication in the entire world, and has a lot of rules, thus people find it very easy to just accept that and take the cheap way out by thinking they need to live it without question. Makes their lives easy right?
I have my own interpretations of how a happy life is achieved. The bible tells me that marriage is only valid if the female is a virgin, or else she should be stoned by the men of her city (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)... Should I call the police on my girlfriend and tell them to bring the rocks or am I morally obligated to gather the stones myself before their arrival? Mark 10:1-12 tells me that as soon as I am married, I cannot divorce. If I divorce and find another, I'm still committing adultery, and I'm fairly certain most knowledgeable people know what adultery means for them. I've seen many marriages go wrong where health and even lives are on the line over deranged marriages, so what's the lesser evil? Death by spouse or Death by adulterous stoning? Heck, many bible thumpers out there have likely already broken several "rules" in Leviticus, be it that you have touched the skin of a pig (any football players here?), eaten shellfish, gotten tattoos, and if none of those, cutting the hair around your temples, or mar (cut) your beard (Leviticus 19:27). Does that mean I have to make sure I grow it back out before I die so that St. Peter won't know when I try to get through the pearly gates?
I believe in morality, and my code of honor means doing right, regardless of what others might say is "right". As far as the government, well that's a given. Their only purpose is to unite everyone under one rule so that they may all be ignored and disregarded equally.
I do not wish to go into a religious debate on this topic, so I'll PM you my answer to this. Here is one thing I'd like to say, though: You missed the point of Jesus Christ.
It looks like we went way off topic (my bad :P), so how about we try to get back on topic now?
EDIT: I noticed that I ALSO missed the point of Jesus Christ. Jesus himself says that we don't have to follow everything the Bible tells us, and it's okay to break the rules, due to our sins being forgiven and all of that. Thank you for your arguments, everyone. I still wish to stay away from drugs, though. Like Mystery said, I just don't want to get into that stuff.
Quote from: Yankyal on January 28, 2012, 12:27:06 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 28, 2012, 12:10:05 AM
Quote from: Mystery on January 27, 2012, 06:09:50 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 26, 2012, 10:36:16 PM
@Mystery True, there is no point in following rules unless there are consequences for breaking them. I count the feeling of guilt as a consequence, though.
You're not getting what I'm saying.
You need to distinguish between rules that have merit and should be enforced, and rules that are stupid (even criminal) and shouldn't be a rule in the first place.
For example, did you know many states in the US effectively forbid atheists from holding office for no reason other than 'because we say so'? http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/StateConstitutions.htm
...Doesn't that go against the Constitution AND the Bible? O.o Goes to show how corrupt the government is.
If the government is corrupt why would you feel guilty for breaking one of its most ridiculous laws?
Also DT, that wasn't "just" vegas. That was the entire US and the number of arrests made for ONLY possession. Your cops aren't following the law if they aren't arresting people with weed(not saying that's a bad thing).
I was referring to the part where you said "I hear about this shit all the time in Vegas", not about the actual statistics themselves.
I think a lot of the cops here just realize that there are a ton of people who smoke weed and they're not all bad kids... Yea it's their duty to stop drugs, but carting a single weed smoker off to jail just for small possession is a waste of their time when they could be catching people who are selling/growing or people doing worse crimes. Stopping one kid in the long run is virtually ineffective.
Quote from: 11clock on January 28, 2012, 01:41:57 PM
Quote from: Scotty on January 28, 2012, 01:19:09 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 28, 2012, 12:10:05 AM
Quote from: Mystery on January 27, 2012, 06:09:50 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 26, 2012, 10:36:16 PM
@Mystery True, there is no point in following rules unless there are consequences for breaking them. I count the feeling of guilt as a consequence, though.
You're not getting what I'm saying.
You need to distinguish between rules that have merit and should be enforced, and rules that are stupid (even criminal) and shouldn't be a rule in the first place.
For example, did you know many states in the US effectively forbid atheists from holding office for no reason other than 'because we say so'? http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/StateConstitutions.htm
...Doesn't that go against the Constitution AND the Bible? O.o Goes to show how corrupt the government is.
The point of all of this, so far as I can tell, is to not blindly follow any and every word that someone tells you to without thinking first. It just so happens that the Christian Bible is the number #1 publication in the entire world, and has a lot of rules, thus people find it very easy to just accept that and take the cheap way out by thinking they need to live it without question. Makes their lives easy right?
I have my own interpretations of how a happy life is achieved. The bible tells me that marriage is only valid if the female is a virgin, or else she should be stoned by the men of her city (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)... Should I call the police on my girlfriend and tell them to bring the rocks or am I morally obligated to gather the stones myself before their arrival? Mark 10:1-12 tells me that as soon as I am married, I cannot divorce. If I divorce and find another, I'm still committing adultery, and I'm fairly certain most knowledgeable people know what adultery means for them. I've seen many marriages go wrong where health and even lives are on the line over deranged marriages, so what's the lesser evil? Death by spouse or Death by adulterous stoning? Heck, many bible thumpers out there have likely already broken several "rules" in Leviticus, be it that you have touched the skin of a pig (any football players here?), eaten shellfish, gotten tattoos, and if none of those, cutting the hair around your temples, or mar (cut) your beard (Leviticus 19:27). Does that mean I have to make sure I grow it back out before I die so that St. Peter won't know when I try to get through the pearly gates?
I believe in morality, and my code of honor means doing right, regardless of what others might say is "right". As far as the government, well that's a given. Their only purpose is to unite everyone under one rule so that they may all be ignored and disregarded equally.
I do not wish to go into a religious debate on this topic, so I'll PM you my answer to this. Here is one thing I'd like to say, though: You missed the point of Jesus Christ.
It looks like we went way off topic (my bad :P), so how about we try to get back on topic now?
EDIT: I noticed that I ALSO missed the point of Jesus Christ. Jesus himself says that we don't have to follow everything the Bible tells us, and it's okay to break the rules, due to our sins being forgiven and all of that. Thank you for your arguments, everyone. I still wish to stay away from drugs, though. Like Mystery said, I just don't want to get into that stuff.
My point, as poorly written as it may have been, is to just let yourself decide what's right and wrong, what to follow, and what to avoid. If Christianity is the way for you, all the power to you. If atheism or agnostic beliefs are the way, all the power to you. What will piss me off quicker than anything is someone trying to force others to their side. If someone wants to be atheist, do not discriminate against them, do not crusade against them, and do not waste your time trying to convert them. That gives you a bad name, and makes your religion the evil one.
When I say "you", don't read that as me directing it towards 11clock, it's a broad generalization, not any particular person here. If I could sum up my view towards modern Christianity though, with all the discrimination, oppression, and what not, I dare say that if the Messiah were to make his second coming, he would be disappointed if not outraged at the majority of Christians and what they've become.
Quote from: Scotty on January 28, 2012, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 28, 2012, 01:41:57 PM
Quote from: Scotty on January 28, 2012, 01:19:09 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 28, 2012, 12:10:05 AM
Quote from: Mystery on January 27, 2012, 06:09:50 PM
Quote from: 11clock on January 26, 2012, 10:36:16 PM
@Mystery True, there is no point in following rules unless there are consequences for breaking them. I count the feeling of guilt as a consequence, though.
You're not getting what I'm saying.
You need to distinguish between rules that have merit and should be enforced, and rules that are stupid (even criminal) and shouldn't be a rule in the first place.
For example, did you know many states in the US effectively forbid atheists from holding office for no reason other than 'because we say so'? http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/StateConstitutions.htm
...Doesn't that go against the Constitution AND the Bible? O.o Goes to show how corrupt the government is.
The point of all of this, so far as I can tell, is to not blindly follow any and every word that someone tells you to without thinking first. It just so happens that the Christian Bible is the number #1 publication in the entire world, and has a lot of rules, thus people find it very easy to just accept that and take the cheap way out by thinking they need to live it without question. Makes their lives easy right?
I have my own interpretations of how a happy life is achieved. The bible tells me that marriage is only valid if the female is a virgin, or else she should be stoned by the men of her city (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)... Should I call the police on my girlfriend and tell them to bring the rocks or am I morally obligated to gather the stones myself before their arrival? Mark 10:1-12 tells me that as soon as I am married, I cannot divorce. If I divorce and find another, I'm still committing adultery, and I'm fairly certain most knowledgeable people know what adultery means for them. I've seen many marriages go wrong where health and even lives are on the line over deranged marriages, so what's the lesser evil? Death by spouse or Death by adulterous stoning? Heck, many bible thumpers out there have likely already broken several "rules" in Leviticus, be it that you have touched the skin of a pig (any football players here?), eaten shellfish, gotten tattoos, and if none of those, cutting the hair around your temples, or mar (cut) your beard (Leviticus 19:27). Does that mean I have to make sure I grow it back out before I die so that St. Peter won't know when I try to get through the pearly gates?
I believe in morality, and my code of honor means doing right, regardless of what others might say is "right". As far as the government, well that's a given. Their only purpose is to unite everyone under one rule so that they may all be ignored and disregarded equally.
I do not wish to go into a religious debate on this topic, so I'll PM you my answer to this. Here is one thing I'd like to say, though: You missed the point of Jesus Christ.
It looks like we went way off topic (my bad :P), so how about we try to get back on topic now?
EDIT: I noticed that I ALSO missed the point of Jesus Christ. Jesus himself says that we don't have to follow everything the Bible tells us, and it's okay to break the rules, due to our sins being forgiven and all of that. Thank you for your arguments, everyone. I still wish to stay away from drugs, though. Like Mystery said, I just don't want to get into that stuff.
My point, as poorly written as it may have been, is to just let yourself decide what's right and wrong, what to follow, and what to avoid. If Christianity is the way for you, all the power to you. If atheism or agnostic beliefs are the way, all the power to you. What will piss me off quicker than anything is someone trying to force others to their side. If someone wants to be atheist, do not discriminate against them, do not crusade against them, and do not waste your time trying to convert them. That gives you a bad name, and makes your religion the evil one.
When I say "you", don't read that as me directing it towards 11clock, it's a broad generalization, not any particular person here. If I could sum up my view towards modern Christianity though, with all the discrimination, oppression, and what not, I dare say that if the Messiah were to make his second coming, he would be disappointed if not outraged at the majority of Christians and what they've become.
Don't worry, I'm not one of those Christians who tell others that they're wrong. While I believe that they are wrong, there's no point to telling them that, it doesn't change anything. I have a best friend who is Atheist (Mystery), and while I wish that he could see the light, I don't bug him about it. It's not a Christian's job to save people, it's a Christian's job to share the Gospel and let people know of the option to become a follower. If they choose not to follow Jesus, that's their choice. I don't hate those who aren't followers. Sadly, there will always be Christians that make us look bad, and give others more reason to hate us. This concludes my rant.
I've made my decision: I will not get into drugs and masturbation, not because of my religion, but as Mystery said, I just don't want to get involved. My solution to my anxiety will always be my video games.
Good for you, at least you don't fall into peer pressure easily. :P
Quote from: Titan on January 28, 2012, 04:41:36 PM
Good for you, at least you don't fall into peer pressure easily. :P
I would argue that anyone that is a Christian is falling into peer pressure.
Quote from: Jake on January 28, 2012, 06:48:29 PM
Quote from: Titan on January 28, 2012, 04:41:36 PM
Good for you, at least you don't fall into peer pressure easily. :P
I would argue that anyone that is a Christian is falling into peer pressure.
Without peer pressure, we would have no morality system. Peer pressure is a social necessity.
Quote from: Torch on January 28, 2012, 06:52:00 PM
Quote from: Jake on January 28, 2012, 06:48:29 PM
Quote from: Titan on January 28, 2012, 04:41:36 PM
Good for you, at least you don't fall into peer pressure easily. :P
I would argue that anyone that is a Christian is falling into peer pressure.
Without peer pressure, we would have no morality system. Peer pressure is a social necessity.
That's assuming that people only act moral because of how they were raised. People can be logically moral too... Although I would definitely agree that most peoples sense of right and wrong is directly influenced by their childhood.
Quote from: Torch on January 28, 2012, 06:52:00 PM
Quote from: Jake on January 28, 2012, 06:48:29 PM
Quote from: Titan on January 28, 2012, 04:41:36 PM
Good for you, at least you don't fall into peer pressure easily. :P
I would argue that anyone that is a Christian is falling into peer pressure.
Without peer pressure, we would have no morality system. Peer pressure is a social necessity.
Peer pressure =/= forcing someone to act in a certain way to avoid consequences. It's just a very nice thing that some people find the thought of doing anything to break those rules deplorable(whether they don't like breaking rules or don't agree with doing the actions that are forbidden).
Quote from: 11clock on January 28, 2012, 04:10:02 PM
Don't worry, I'm not one of those Christians who tell others that they're wrong. While I believe that they are wrong, there's no point to telling them that, it doesn't change anything. I have a best friend who is Atheist (Mystery), and while I wish that he could see the light, I don't bug him about it. It's not a Christian's job to save people, it's a Christian's job to share the Gospel and let people know of the option to become a follower. If they choose not to follow Jesus, that's their choice. I don't hate those who aren't followers. Sadly, there will always be Christians that make us look bad, and give others more reason to hate us. This concludes my rant.
Well put.
Three short things I'd like to add:
Atheist isn't capitalized because it's not a proper noun like religious words are. Although I don't personally care. :P
I take the time to read religious texts. I've read the 3 big ones several times: the Jewish Tanakh, the Christian Bible, and the Islamic Quran. I've also looked at historical data in-depth, and take the time to observe followers conducting their daily actions.
As an extension of the second point, after looking at everything, I couldn't follow any religion even if I wanted to. In fact, I'd say the single biggest thing which pushed me to becoming(or rather, realizing I was atheist all along)an atheist was reading the Bible.
EDIT: Note I was NEVER religious in my entire life, I just decided to look at opposing viewpoints.
I'd say someone should create a topic on religious views to discuss this further, but I doubt anyone will be up to the task of doing it, and I like my lack of created topics.
Quote from: Mystery on January 28, 2012, 06:58:06 PM
Quote from: Torch on January 28, 2012, 06:52:00 PM
Quote from: Jake on January 28, 2012, 06:48:29 PM
Quote from: Titan on January 28, 2012, 04:41:36 PM
Good for you, at least you don't fall into peer pressure easily. :P
I would argue that anyone that is a Christian is falling into peer pressure.
Without peer pressure, we would have no morality system. Peer pressure is a social necessity.
Peer pressure =/= forcing someone to act in a certain way to avoid consequences. It's just a very nice thing that some people find the thought of doing anything to break those rules deplorable(whether they don't like breaking rules or don't agree with doing the actions that are forbidden).
Quote from: 11clock on January 28, 2012, 04:10:02 PM
Don't worry, I'm not one of those Christians who tell others that they're wrong. While I believe that they are wrong, there's no point to telling them that, it doesn't change anything. I have a best friend who is Atheist (Mystery), and while I wish that he could see the light, I don't bug him about it. It's not a Christian's job to save people, it's a Christian's job to share the Gospel and let people know of the option to become a follower. If they choose not to follow Jesus, that's their choice. I don't hate those who aren't followers. Sadly, there will always be Christians that make us look bad, and give others more reason to hate us. This concludes my rant.
Well put.
Three short things I'd like to add:
Atheist isn't capitalized because it's not a proper noun like religious words are. Although I don't personally care. :P
I take the time to read religious texts. I've read the 3 big ones several times: the Jewish Tanakh, the Christian Bible, and the Islamic Quran. I've also looked at historical data in-depth, and take the time to observe followers conducting their daily actions.
As an extension of the second point, after looking at everything, I couldn't follow any religion even if I wanted to. In fact, I'd say the single biggest thing which pushed me to becoming(or rather, realizing I was atheist all along)an atheist was reading the Bible.
I'd say someone should create a topic on religious views to discuss this further, but I doubt anyone will be up to the task of doing it, and I like my lack of created topics.
I GOT YOU BRO
Quote from: Yankyal on January 28, 2012, 07:41:37 PM
I GOT YOU BRO
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i had some social problems in school, actually i went into homeschool and am on some medication because of it. Some people probably have alot worse anxiety then me but it was pretty bad, i would imagine people saying things about me and started to have hallucinations of things happening that didnt. Shortly after they took me out of the public it went away. I think being alone and to yourself and having lots of time to think about possible situations is the best way to calm anxiety if that helps any of you guys.
Quote from: TANK on January 28, 2012, 11:02:21 PM
i had some social problems in school, actually i went into homeschool and am on some medication because of it. Some people probably have alot worse anxiety then me but it was pretty bad, i would imagine people saying things about me and started to have hallucinations of things happening that didnt. Shortly after they took me out of the public it went away. I think being alone and to yourself and having lots of time to think about possible situations is the best way to calm anxiety if that helps any of you guys.
It's the opposite for me. The more time I have left to myself the more it sucks to go back into the public. I find it's sometimes better to be forced into social situations over and over until I get so annoyed of being nervous that I just say "!@#$ it".
yeah thats whats worrying me, im beginning to become a hermit and wonder if i will ever get back into society. I think i just need to take a leap of faith and try to go back to school. just posted because i was wondering if anyone else has had this kind of problem and got over it.
Quote from: Jake on January 28, 2012, 06:48:29 PM
Quote from: Titan on January 28, 2012, 04:41:36 PM
Good for you, at least you don't fall into peer pressure easily. :P
I would argue that anyone that is a Christian is falling into peer pressure.
I'm NOT Christian because of peer pressure. While I was raised a Christian, I later on looked at the Bible logically and saw some things about it that I started questioning. My twin brother has been able to answer every question I had about the Bible, so now I find it more logical to follow the Bible than to become an atheist. 40 people who lived in different time periods and three different languages coming up with such a huge lie I find to be very unlikely, and there's also the fact that some of the writers of the Bible knew Jesus in person. I've never fallen under peer pressure, and probably never will.
Please don't come up with such broad generalizations, thank you.
Quote from: 11clock on January 29, 2012, 12:03:22 AM
I'm NOT Christian because of peer pressure. While I was raised a Christian, I later on looked at the Bible logically and saw some things about it that I started questioning. My twin brother has been able to answer every question I had about the Bible, so now I find it more logical to follow the Bible than to become an atheist. 40 people who lived in different time periods and three different languages coming up with such a huge lie I find to be very unlikely, and there's also the fact that some of the writers of the Bible knew Jesus in person. I've never fallen under peer pressure, and probably never will.
Please don't come up with such broad generalizations, thank you.
If you were born in Iraq, you'd be a Muslim. If you were born in India, you'd be a Hindu. If you were born in Ancient Greece, you'd pray to Athena. The religion you follow can easily be explained through geography and culture. The problem is, since you were raised Christian, it's extremely hard to see the flaws in that religion because they seem so normal. If you were never taught a thing about Christianity, and somebody introduced you to the bible at age 18, would you really believe the far-fetched stories? Moses parting the red sea, Jesus turning water into wine, 2 of everyone animal on an arc that survived the flooding of the entire world? The answer is no. In fact, if you only had the bible and didn't have other viewpoints from friends and relatives about what the bible was teaching, your version of Christianity would be entirely different than what you follow now. The message the bible is trying to convey can be received in thousands of ways.
If you take your faith seriously, it's important to be skeptical about it. When I was around 17, I took my faith very seriously. I wanted to prove Christianity correct. I didn't just bounce some ideas off a family member, I debated people. I tried to argue points of intelligent design, irreducible complexity, the hard problem of consciousness, to prove my religion correct. After a while, I realized that the rationalizations I was using to prove my religion were actually casting doubts in my mind on it's validity. If you're relatively satisfied with your beliefs, you haven't studied them enough.
At 6 Pages, sorry I'm not going to make any comments on the posts prior to mine as of yet, unless i decide to spend the time reviewing it all, but I deal with anxiety issues as well, and have for a good 4 years now. I posted its detailing information along with other problems that I have on my facebook, so ill just copy/paste that onto here. I'm rather open with it, because that has helped ease it as far as I can tell.
This includes my Anxiety problems, and their Ranking system I've dubbed to it, along with Hallucinations I've had, which have some relation to Anxiety, considering the ranking system and how they cause an anxiety attack to occur, along with a nightmare which was also similar as relation to the hallucinations.
"Firstly, since freshman year, I have had problem's with anxiety issues, in which I have had anxiety attacks regularly. Progressivly over the year's following thus far, it seems to have magnifiesd 3x from is inital level of what I will refer to as pain, due to that being the most relative factor in an anxiety attack for me. Also, as of a more recent occurence this year, I have started having hallucinations for short bursts of time, which shall also be listed. Following shall be the ranking system in which I rank an anxiety attack, along with signs that may reveal themselves as to if I'm having an attack or not, as well as a list of all hallucinations I have had, and related information.
Anxiety Attack Ranking System:
Note that progressive levels of the attacks all retain previous level's properties.
Level 1(Lv.1): A feeling of a hole or void in the dead center of my chest
Signs: None revealed.
Level 2(Lv.2): Along with the void feeling, a feeling of decreasing temperature
Signs: None revealed.
Level 3(Lv.3): Sharp pain in the dead center of the void, along with previous features
Signs: None revealed, but there may be times in which i attempt to distance myself from others.
Level 4(Lv.4): A burning sensation in the dead center of my chest, and when touched physically in the location, the skin is rather sensitive, also retaining all previous features.
Signs: Agitation and personal distancing from others.
Level 5(Lv.5): A feeling of what I can only describe as cracks coming from that circle outward throughout the torso along with all previous properties. Sharp pain escalates.
Signs: Impatience, agitation, repetitive movement and distancing of the self from others.
Level 6(Lv.6): Cold feeling enveloped along the entire body, except the dead center of the void as stated previously, along with all previous properties.
Signs: A bit of fidgeting, agitation, very impatient, frustration and distanced.
Level 7(Lv.7): Crack sensation developes heat similar to the center of the void as well as all previous symptoms. Sharp pain escalates.
Signs: Likely to notice I'm definatly uncomfortable and most likely by that point have gone to the nurses office, as well as constant movement and uncontrolled action's as far as controlling my own hand's. Usually rubbing my legs and or am pacing.
Level 8(Lv.8): Stopped movement because of a sharp pain caused by the feeling of the cracks, that escalates whenever movement occurs, and usually I will not move position for a good minute or so. This has occured 3 times and is very uncommon. Also retains all previous symptoms.
Signs: Same as level sevens signs as well as being able to notice my stopped movement.
Sidenote : The stopped movement may occur in a Lv.5 attack or higher, but not of the same calibur.
Level 9(Lv.9): Very intense burning and sharp pain in the chest and I will forcibly make myself be alone in such situation, as well as most of the other symptoms excluding 8.
Signs: I completely remove myself from others company and usually am rubbing my chest and am in pain.
Level 10(Lv.10): The unknown. I have not had what I would consider a level 10 because since the attacks have progressed from their original levels of pain as well as number of occurance, I leave 10 as a unidentified possibility for future events.
- These attacks usually are withing the 1-5 tier of attacks, and occur 11-16 times daily -
List of seen Hallucinations:
1. An older purple car driving into the car I was in
2.Color distortion on my walls, along with a orange colored cat.
3.School hallway flooring shaping into a curved cube with a design that formed before my eyes.
4.School gates untangling themselfs
5.Floor and walls around me moving, shaking as well as being waved.
6.The eye of my nightmare (See below)
7.The figure of my nightmare (See below)
8.Completely empty street, which then after was back to normal
9.Burgundy egg shaped rock with envy colored leaving below it, surrounded by blue crystal shaped lights.
10.Japanese drawing style of a Lion on the ceiling of my physics room.
11.Dead Body of a girl, face covered in blood, first standing, and a blink later on the ground, and then gone.
Nightmare:
At one point I was having a repeated nightmare for a good 5 months that reoccured at least 17 times, with the same exact events as well as vivid memory of the dream itself, down to the point where I could re-enact the actions I took in the dream. The hallucination as refered to above is part of the dream, but the timing of both are very far apart, due to the dream happening almost a year ago, and the hallucination occuring about 2 months ago. Further description of the dream can be requested if asked for."
Also, this is my first post being back to Stick Online. I played originally when the server was F2P at the begining of the game, Black & White. Named IBankaiI back then. Sorry for the long post.
watch out man you might need to be put on some meds. I used to have chronic nightmares and hallucinations at school like me thinking kids/teachers were saying things they werent as we were having conversations. i also had problems where faces would change almost as if they looked angry and chineese and i would see flashes of colours randomly. That all went away after i was put on some anxiety meds though, i also had the heartburn like feeling when i was anxious and i would mess and bite the colar of my shirt almost as if i needed to do it. Im pretty interested to hear what you're dreams are about maybe there like mine.
The dream was in full detail down to the movement of material's that I can remember. What would happen is that I would be in third person, viewing myself laying on the bed. I would in the dream on the bed, have an anxiety attack that woke me up, and from void as described in the previous post, would literally appear as a dark hole on the body. The third person self would then look into the hole, and two dark hands would reach out of the hole, they were shadowed as far as I can remember, the hands actual shape is out of memory, and inside the center, there would be a blood red eye in the center, white outside, but the center would be blood red with the black pupil. The third person me would then start freaking out, as the hands started opening the hole larger, and the me laying down in the dream, then seems either dead or passed out. The 3rd person me then runs out of the room, and checks around the house I live in, (this all takes place inside my acutal home) and look to see if anybody is home, which nobody is. The lights are also all off, as i search and do not turn on. I see the lighting from the living room though, which could be recognized as clouded skys, and I enter the living room area, and go to open the door which in turn, does not budge a bit. I hear a thump and check to see if I can break the windows, which I cant. I turn around then to see a black figure, which I couldnt completely make out, with the red eye, except two of them on both sides, and it hits me through the window breaking it, and takes my right arm with it. And out of panic, I run out of the side gate in my yard to the side of the mountain, and I look out to see the streets full of empty cars and dark shadowings. Then I wake up.
ah ive never had anything like that. Usually my dreams start with me doing something, i normally cant remember what, then i realize im dreaming and look around to try and find my mom and dad or someone so i dont have to be alone because i know somethings coming. Then something starts chasing me and i can then suddenly fly, but no matter how fast i fly it always is catching up to me. Most the time its a doll or something from a horror movie or something random, i usually wake up and cant remember when i got caught but i know i did. When im not having dreams like that there usually !@#$ed up disturbing dreams i try not to think about or remember ( i think i watch to much porn ).
Quote from: kensuga on February 03, 2012, 10:20:25 PM
At 6 Pages, sorry I'm not going to make any comments on the posts prior to mine as of yet, unless i decide to spend the time reviewing it all, but I deal with anxiety issues as well, and have for a good 4 years now. I posted its detailing information along with other problems that I have on my facebook, so ill just copy/paste that onto here. I'm rather open with it, because that has helped ease it as far as I can tell.
This includes my Anxiety problems, and their Ranking system I've dubbed to it, along with Hallucinations I've had, which have some relation to Anxiety, considering the ranking system and how they cause an anxiety attack to occur, along with a nightmare which was also similar as relation to the hallucinations.
"Firstly, since freshman year, I have had problem's with anxiety issues, in which I have had anxiety attacks regularly. Progressivly over the year's following thus far, it seems to have magnifiesd 3x from is inital level of what I will refer to as pain, due to that being the most relative factor in an anxiety attack for me. Also, as of a more recent occurence this year, I have started having hallucinations for short bursts of time, which shall also be listed. Following shall be the ranking system in which I rank an anxiety attack, along with signs that may reveal themselves as to if I'm having an attack or not, as well as a list of all hallucinations I have had, and related information.
Anxiety Attack Ranking System:
Note that progressive levels of the attacks all retain previous level's properties.
Level 1(Lv.1): A feeling of a hole or void in the dead center of my chest
Signs: None revealed.
Level 2(Lv.2): Along with the void feeling, a feeling of decreasing temperature
Signs: None revealed.
Level 3(Lv.3): Sharp pain in the dead center of the void, along with previous features
Signs: None revealed, but there may be times in which i attempt to distance myself from others.
Level 4(Lv.4): A burning sensation in the dead center of my chest, and when touched physically in the location, the skin is rather sensitive, also retaining all previous features.
Signs: Agitation and personal distancing from others.
Level 5(Lv.5): A feeling of what I can only describe as cracks coming from that circle outward throughout the torso along with all previous properties. Sharp pain escalates.
Signs: Impatience, agitation, repetitive movement and distancing of the self from others.
Level 6(Lv.6): Cold feeling enveloped along the entire body, except the dead center of the void as stated previously, along with all previous properties.
Signs: A bit of fidgeting, agitation, very impatient, frustration and distanced.
Level 7(Lv.7): Crack sensation developes heat similar to the center of the void as well as all previous symptoms. Sharp pain escalates.
Signs: Likely to notice I'm definatly uncomfortable and most likely by that point have gone to the nurses office, as well as constant movement and uncontrolled action's as far as controlling my own hand's. Usually rubbing my legs and or am pacing.
Level 8(Lv.8): Stopped movement because of a sharp pain caused by the feeling of the cracks, that escalates whenever movement occurs, and usually I will not move position for a good minute or so. This has occured 3 times and is very uncommon. Also retains all previous symptoms.
Signs: Same as level sevens signs as well as being able to notice my stopped movement.
Sidenote : The stopped movement may occur in a Lv.5 attack or higher, but not of the same calibur.
Level 9(Lv.9): Very intense burning and sharp pain in the chest and I will forcibly make myself be alone in such situation, as well as most of the other symptoms excluding 8.
Signs: I completely remove myself from others company and usually am rubbing my chest and am in pain.
Level 10(Lv.10): The unknown. I have not had what I would consider a level 10 because since the attacks have progressed from their original levels of pain as well as number of occurance, I leave 10 as a unidentified possibility for future events.
- These attacks usually are withing the 1-5 tier of attacks, and occur 11-16 times daily -
List of seen Hallucinations:
1. An older purple car driving into the car I was in
2.Color distortion on my walls, along with a orange colored cat.
3.School hallway flooring shaping into a curved cube with a design that formed before my eyes.
4.School gates untangling themselfs
5.Floor and walls around me moving, shaking as well as being waved.
6.The eye of my nightmare (See below)
7.The figure of my nightmare (See below)
8.Completely empty street, which then after was back to normal
9.Burgundy egg shaped rock with envy colored leaving below it, surrounded by blue crystal shaped lights.
10.Japanese drawing style of a Lion on the ceiling of my physics room.
11.Dead Body of a girl, face covered in blood, first standing, and a blink later on the ground, and then gone.
Nightmare:
At one point I was having a repeated nightmare for a good 5 months that reoccured at least 17 times, with the same exact events as well as vivid memory of the dream itself, down to the point where I could re-enact the actions I took in the dream. The hallucination as refered to above is part of the dream, but the timing of both are very far apart, due to the dream happening almost a year ago, and the hallucination occuring about 2 months ago. Further description of the dream can be requested if asked for."
Also, this is my first post being back to Stick Online. I played originally when the server was F2P at the begining of the game, Black & White. Named IBankaiI back then. Sorry for the long post.
Speaking as someone who had extraordinarily bad hallucinations daily for a long time after being take off of a very high level of Prozac, I can say that I've felt the same way. I could go into detail about them, but suffice to say they are worse than most people's worst nightmares.
Also, looking at your Anxiety Attack Ranking System, I feel many of those higher-level manifestations, although if I had to assign levels to them, I would go up to Level 15(Lv. 15). However, I can control Lv.1-14 and dull them, ignoring physical actions and responses completely. I feel the pain, but my tolerance is so high for it now it's nothing more than just tiring and irritating to deal with.
Anxiety Attack Ranking System:Level 10(Lv.10): My experience: The pain in the chest has dulled over and been replaced by an extremely disconcerting numbness. My mental processes seem to fold in on themselves and become warped and depressive to the point of complete debilitation. It's near impossible to focus on anything and to keep my mind from freaking out I am essentially
forced to daydream for the entire duration of this. The beginning of actual psychological pain.
Signs: Inability to focus, glazed-over eyes, dulled sensitivity.
Level 11(Lv.11): My experience: My psyche begins to strain even more as certain physical manifestations of anxiety become extremely apparent. Thoughts from Lv.10 are retained but become more impulsive. Again, you are at least partially debilitated but are completely unable to control your anxiety-spurned movements.
Signs: All the classic physical signs of anxiety and depression, even more dulled sensitivity.
Level 12(Lv.12): My experience: This level is primarily based on by the fact that thinking properly begins to prove difficult and daydreams are no longer even partially effective. The physical manifestations of anxiety boil over temporarily as you feel even partially insane and start to lose a grip on reality.
Signs: If you attempt to interact with the person in question, not only will they seem to not focus, but they will visibly jump in their level of depression and anxiety and will seem to be extremely scared about their struggle to stay sane.
Level 13(Lv.13): My experience: You finish becoming completely aversive to outside stimuli. Speech is reduced to barely-coherent, high-pitched single-syllable words and only used in order to get people to stop interacting with you. Physical manifestations reappear, worse than before as now when they are triggered, they will often flare up more often.
Signs:
Complete inability to interact, serious physical nervous ticks.
Level 14(Lv.14): My experience: Your sanity starts to slip much more rapidly now. If able to and you are left unattended, the following things will happen, your body will be covering your head with your arms and will partially curl up away from the light. You start to focus only on your own thoughts. Your eyes are closed and your body is twitching. If not, you can manage to force yourself to act like you did in Lv.13 or slightly lower. Random physical pain can wrack your body. Outside stimuli is met with being completely ignored.
Signs: Ignoring everything, very obvious reactions as if just being there was painful.
Level 15(Lv.15): My experience: Like Lv.14 but prone to slipping into bouts of extreme anger, sadness, and insanity. Your mind starts to crack as it can't really deal with this anymore. (Even I can't control this level at all, nor deal with it, and I've dealt with things like this my whole life.) If someone who didn't have extremely high tolerance for this sort of thing experienced this level, they would probably go completely temporarily insane.
Signs: Clear signs of extreme negative emotion and loss of rational thinking.
Level 16(Lv.16): My guess is that if I ever experienced this level, I would have to be institutionalized immediately and would stay at this level for several days. The least amount of time I spent in Level 15 is 12 hours. This is probably the brink of permanent insanity, or at least the slide down.
Level 17+(Lv.17): I can't even begin to imagine it.
EDIT: Keep in mind I have a whole slew of problems, and I would consider every fifth level a good tier higher than the previous one. Level 9 to 10 in particular is a huge jump. You'll probably not experience Level 10+.
I'm also doing everything I can not to go to Level 16+.
Anxiety CAN cause all of these things to happen.