I know there's other topics about this but they appear to be rather old so I figure I'd open up a new one. I just got a key last week and started playing the beta over the weekend. Anyone else playing?
I started with a monk and I just finished one play through of the beta with him. It's pretty great. But, I do feel there's something missing. For one the music is not as impactful. It's interesting because the composer who worked on Diablo 2 moved over to the Torchlight team, so Torchlight actually sounds more like Diablo than Diablo 3 does. Other than that, I am pleased with the results.
The skill system is pretty simplistic, but I think at this point I'm happier with that then I would be with trying to figure out builds. It relieves a lot of the stress involved because you can always respec your skills. That's something that always bothered me about Diablo 2 and other similar RPGs. I know it makes the game too simple for some people, but honestly I just want to have fun when I'm playing a game. And using this system, it still requires a certain amount of testing and/or research to determine what the best builds might be, but meanwhile you can set your skills when you get access to them rather than having to hold on to all of your unused skill points until you figure it out.
I remember one time in Diablo 2 I had a level 95 amazon with a few unused points because I was waiting to spend them on something. I let my little brother play and he ended up spending a few points on some random skill, so I scrapped the character and restarted. At the time I was playing so much that I got another amazon up to 99 within a week or so. Of course, there was the cow level back then.
So anyways, anyone else looking forward to the final release next month? Who else is playing currently and what all is your Battle Tags? Mine's Lingus#1674
I unfortunately didn't get a key for the beta, but I wouldn't of been able to download it anyway.
I'm planning on buying it within a few days of release and get started on it right away :D
I got it free with the World of warcraft annual pass but ive been told what a grind it is & that people will just be buying crazy good gear so im not really planning on playing it, ill give it a go for sure but ehh.
I got into the beta a few months ago. I had a bit of a go but to be honest I didn't really enjoy it, it didn't seem like a particularly nice community, and most of them had over powered items, maybe they paid for them, maybe they got given them for some strange reason. There were also a few game breaking technical issues which I'm hoping have been ironed out now. But it may be worth another go.
I've been in the beta since the beginning of February, and I absolutely love it. I cannot wait for the full release.
My battletag is Cactuscat222#1629. I haven't actually used the tag before, do we just use them to add friends?
@Josh: You play WoW, but you don't want to play D3 because of the "grind"? Haha. ;) To be fair though, if you've ever played an ARPG like Diablo/Diablo 2 or Torchlight and enjoyed it, then you'll like D3. The entire point of them is the "grind" per se, but that is because the action and combat is supposed to be fun and fast paced, alongside tons of blood and loot. If that doesn't appeal to you, though, then Diablo 3 probably won't change your opinion - although being able to try out a different style of character without having to remake him might make it more enjoyable to some!
Quote from: Josh on April 18, 2012, 02:25:36 AM
I got it free with the World of warcraft annual pass but ive been told what a grind it is & that people will just be buying crazy good gear so im not really planning on playing it, ill give it a go for sure but ehh.
Yes, the grinding in WoW is much more fun than the grinding in Diablo.
Honestly, I have never cared about the fact that people on the server are overpowered. But what I really don't care about is whether they got that way by hacking/duping or by paying for it. It makes no difference to me. And in reality, you could pay for items in Diablo 2. Only difference now is it's more legit, which I think is a good thing. But again, this is really only one aspect of the game, and it really only comes into play when you interact with other people who take advantage of this feature. If you want to play solo, or with a group of friends who also don't take advantage of purchasing items, then it really makes no difference.
I am far more interested in the development of the story. They have really added to everything. The characters, the world, the plot itself. For those of you who have played through the beta, I find it interesting that they went back to the original Diablo as a source of content. Everything about Tristram, the Cathedral, King Leoric, it's all from the original game. It was touched on very briefly in Diablo 2, but for the most part they left it alone. So I'm really looking forward to playing Diablo as an RPG even more than the gameplay aspects of it. Which is why I think the stripped down version of the skill system is going to be so enjoyable. I want to focus less on that and more on the story and actually playing the game.
I pre-ordered it last week. :) ...Don't think I'll be fortunate enough to land myself a beta key, but I can wait a month.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/4963739/Diablo%C2%AE_III_Open_Beta_Weekend-4_19_2012 (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/4963739/Diablo%C2%AE_III_Open_Beta_Weekend-4_19_2012)
They just announced an Open Beta, all this weekend! Feel free to drop your battletags, and we can all play. :)
Oh hell yes. I'm Arkyn.
I just noticed that I never responded to this thread.
I was very impressed by the look and feel of the beta, thus far all evidence points to a solid sequel worthy of the Blizzard label. However, with its simplified skill system it's quite obvious that Blizzard is attempting to appeal to a wider audience of casual gamers, and I don't know just how I think about that yet. I've played Diablo 1 & 2 for as long as I can remember gaming, and I've always respected it as a series that didn't !@#$ around. Diablo knew that it didn't need to baby you, it didn't need to carefully walk you through the steps and monitor your every action, heck neither of the games ever even had an actual tutorial.
Diablo 2 encouraged you to think for your damned self, and with this newly found insight create a character that was unique. A character that's not just a Barbarian, but a dual-wielding axe-throwing madman. Not just an Amazon, a distraction artist armed with deadly poison. Not just a Paladin, an illusionist that converts enemies to fight for his cause. It took skill to create your character, and although it was definitely easy to make mistakes (something they fixed 10 years post-release with optional stat/skill resets), you felt complete control over how your character developed.
In Diablo 3 every player will have access to every skill, every character will be summed up by their class title. A Barbarian, is a Barbarian. A Bounty Hunter, is a Bounty Hunter. A Monk, is a Monk. There is nothing that identifies you personally other than how you chose to use the skills provided for you, and from what I saw in the beta it's quite clear which skills excel at each type of situation.
But I'm biased. The Diablo series was a primal part of my gaming childhood, and with such warm memories it's hard to find fault, hard to believe anything other than "why fix what isn't broken?". I will reserve judgement, and considering Blizzard has yet to disappoint me thus far I see no reason to assume otherwise. I question though... lacking in-depth customization, will Diablo 3 stand the test of time as well as its predecessor?
Whatever the case I shall see for myself, my brother was awesome enough to pre-order it for me. :3 I hope to see ya'll on Scotty's TS on the 15th!
Hell is breaking loose.
I'm ready!
Thoroughly impressed thus far with it. Simple, dumb, Diablo hack-and-slash fun!
Alas I haven't been able to play yet, the servers were up and down all day yesterday, and when I could play I had terrible FPS. I had fps issues early during the beta, but as it updated and as Nvidia released new drivers the lag all but disappeared. Now my fps drops to 9 whenever I fight monsters or destroy any breakable object. :(
I'm really hoping this problem is not on my side, I mean purchased this new graphics card for the sole purpose of being able to play Diablo 3, I'll be sad if that wasn't enough.
Quote from: Lucifer on May 16, 2012, 03:16:44 PM
Alas I haven't been able to play yet, the servers were up and down all day yesterday, and when I could play I had terrible FPS. I had fps issues early during the beta, but as it updated and as Nvidia released new drivers the lag all but disappeared. Now my fps drops to 9 whenever I fight monsters or destroy any breakable object. :(
I'm really hoping this problem is not on my side, I mean purchased this new graphics card for the sole purpose of being able to play Diablo 3, I'll be sad if that wasn't enough.
I only played between 10PM-12AM EST, but didn't notice any FPS lag. A couple of disconnects, but never anything FPS.
Would you mind posting your computer specs for reference, Scotty?
I don't have the specifics on hand at work, but I know it has 6GB Memory, 4 CPUs (don't recall the speeds), and a Nvidia 9800 GT (http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-9800gt). I bought it back at the tail end of 2008, so it's starting to show its age, but as far as performance I've never had many complaints.
This computer has 8GB DDR3 Memory, 4 2.6GHz CPUs, and a new 1GB Nvidia GTX 560. From what I can see this far exceeds the minimum requirements, yet I have the same fps issues running the game at the lowest possible video settings as I do the highest. This reminds me of my recent attempts to use a Nintendo DS Emulator, whilst Chaos's older system could run the emulator near flawlessly, for me it was unplayable.
I feel as if there is some underlying problem with my computer and I'm just not tech-savvy enough to recognize it..
Quote from: Lucifer on May 16, 2012, 06:01:32 PM
This computer has 8GB DDR3 Memory, 4 2.6GHz CPUs, and a new 1GB Nvidia GTX 560. From what I can see this far exceeds the minimum requirements, yet I have the same fps issues running the game at the lowest possible video settings as I do the highest. This reminds me of my recent attempts to use a Nintendo DS Emulator, whilst Chaos's older system could run the emulator near flawlessly, for me it was unplayable.
I feel as if there is some underlying problem with my computer and I'm just not tech-savvy enough to recognize it..
Out of curiosity, what's the operating system you're running on, and when's the last time you gave it a refresh? I'm finding it a near annual occurrence for me to go and re-install my operating system to keep things fresh.
Haven't been able to play the full release yet. My friend is supposed to be getting me a copy since he works for Activision.
Luc, I have to say, I am much more optimistic than you. I have read a bit about people complaining about the new skill system. I really don't agree. In all honesty, the one thing I have always hated about Diablo 2, and any RPG for that matter, is the templated archetype classes. Yea, sure, you sould set your stats and skills any way you wanted to in Diablo 2. But when it came down to it, unless you were following one of the small list of builds out there, you really weren't making the most of your points.
The other thing is that I think that for the most part, people are going to be settling in on a certain build for there character. I think it'll be an interesting process actually. Rather than having a build from the outset of creating your character, spending the points exactly where you are supposed to spend them so that your end-game build is perfect, I see a much more natural evolution of each person's build. There is going to be a lot of experimentation with different skill/rune combinations. Each person is going to be able to test out how they want to play and what they want to do. Ultimately, I see people having in mind from the beginning what sort of character they want to play with (the specific type of Barbarian or Monk that they want to be) and they will spend their time tweaking the skills and runes until they get to that point. They will still be a specialized class, and archetypes will certainly emerge from this process. And most definitely you will have people completely respecing and going in a completely different direction than they originally started with. But overall I certainly don't think everyone is going to be running around using any and every combination of skill and rune whenever they feel like it.
Quote from: Scotty on May 16, 2012, 06:05:40 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on May 16, 2012, 06:01:32 PM
This computer has 8GB DDR3 Memory, 4 2.6GHz CPUs, and a new 1GB Nvidia GTX 560. From what I can see this far exceeds the minimum requirements, yet I have the same fps issues running the game at the lowest possible video settings as I do the highest. This reminds me of my recent attempts to use a Nintendo DS Emulator, whilst Chaos's older system could run the emulator near flawlessly, for me it was unplayable.
I feel as if there is some underlying problem with my computer and I'm just not tech-savvy enough to recognize it..
Out of curiosity, what's the operating system you're running on, and when's the last time you gave it a refresh? I'm finding it a near annual occurrence for me to go and re-install my operating system to keep things fresh.
I second this. While it may seem like a large task at first, once you start doing it every year, it gets far easier. Just plan ahead. I'm sure scotty is at the same point as me. I keep only my operating system on one drive, as well as any installed games and so on on yet another. I have a seperate drive for all of my media(music, shows etc) on another drive as well as my important information. I also have a folder which has the install files to all the programs I regularly use.
This allows me to format and re-install, as well as get to the point my computer is usually at within hours.
Quote from: Seifer on May 18, 2012, 02:17:12 PMI second this. While it may seem like a large task at first, once you start doing it every year, it gets far easier. Just plan ahead. I'm sure scotty is at the same point as me. I keep only my operating system on one drive, as well as any installed games and so on on yet another. I have a seperate drive for all of my media(music, shows etc) on another drive as well as my important information. I also have a folder which has the install files to all the programs I regularly use.
This allows me to format and re-install, as well as get to the point my computer is usually at within hours.
This and there are ways to download windows updates before reinstalling. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsserver/bb332157.aspx Installing windows does not take much time as installing all the updates does.
I think I just fixed my game, by.. increasing the settings? I was attempting various different settings to see if I could get any kind of fps increase and I happened to notice that my default settings set the shadow quality at medium, so I raised that to high for no real reason. Immediately after doing so my lag all but disappeared, save for the occasional split-second drop during more graphically intensive animations like leveling up. I lowered my settings back to the previous setup and it still works just fine, so I don't even.. whatever. ;_;
Hit me up on MSN if you ever want to play!
I'll be getting my copy from my friend on Monday.
I already quit because I lag on singleplayer due to the DRM Always Online.
Played Diablo 3 for a few weeks after release. The economy in the game is broken due to gold sellers/botters. I think I'll wait till it's fixed.
Good game though, but to get top tier gear you need access to the Auction House. Every item in the auction house (in most cases) are unbelievably over priced.
I find it interesting how little these things will affect my opinion of the game now. I really am more concerned about the single-player and co-op (with friends) and the plot of the actual game. I really couldn't care about item hunting, buying, mfing, class builds, or anything else that I obsessed about when I played Diablo 2. I know they're important for this game and all, I just don't care. The game itself can be entertaining without a lot of those things.
Quote from: Lingus on June 18, 2012, 12:51:11 PM
I find it interesting how little these things will affect my opinion of the game now. I really am more concerned about the single-player and co-op (with friends) and the plot of the actual game. I really couldn't care about item hunting, buying, mfing, class builds, or anything else that I obsessed about when I played Diablo 2. I know they're important for this game and all, I just don't care. The game itself can be entertaining without a lot of those things.
I quite enjoy the item hunting, but that is also accounting for the fact that I made the mistake of playing online primarily with people who had no interest in anything related to the storyline, and it wasn't hard for them to skip ahead of the conversation on my behalf (probably one of my biggest complaints), as well as the fact that I enjoyed taking my time to find items, while they're all rushing ahead to get through to the next part, picking up whatever they can, and rarely sharing anything of value. I grew a little too frustrated with all of that and just went to go play single player.
Regardless, it is definitely a fun game, just make sure if you play multi-player that everyone is on the same page. Otherwise it'll get too frustrating for you.
Quote from: Scotty on June 18, 2012, 03:23:18 PM
Quote from: Lingus on June 18, 2012, 12:51:11 PM
I find it interesting how little these things will affect my opinion of the game now. I really am more concerned about the single-player and co-op (with friends) and the plot of the actual game. I really couldn't care about item hunting, buying, mfing, class builds, or anything else that I obsessed about when I played Diablo 2. I know they're important for this game and all, I just don't care. The game itself can be entertaining without a lot of those things.
I quite enjoy the item hunting, but that is also accounting for the fact that I made the mistake of playing online primarily with people who had no interest in anything related to the storyline, and it wasn't hard for them to skip ahead of the conversation on my behalf (probably one of my biggest complaints), as well as the fact that I enjoyed taking my time to find items, while they're all rushing ahead to get through to the next part, picking up whatever they can, and rarely sharing anything of value. I grew a little too frustrated with all of that and just went to go play single player.
Regardless, it is definitely a fun game, just make sure if you play multi-player that everyone is on the same page. Otherwise it'll get too frustrating for you.
That's why I always like playing through the first run by myself and then playing co-op with friends who don't get too pissed if you take the time to watch the cinematic or read/listen to the NPCs in all the zones, and that sort of thing. It's definitely a different experience. For what it's worth, I love running the different zones as well. Just plowing through grabbing loot grinding exp, and then closing the game and starting from the beginning again. It's one of the staples of Diablo. The cow level was basically the extreme limit of that, and I spent countless hours of fun with that level.
I am a bit sad that the cow level went away, and from what I hear the new "cow level" equivilant is extremely difficult to get to (although, I can see why they did that. The cow level was horribly exploited in Diablo2.) But other than that, I can't see the auction house (either gold or real money) affecting gameplay for people who just want to play the game, kill monsters, and search for loot. If your goal of playing the game is to trade or sell the loot, then you're not playing a game, you're working a job. My only response to that is, get a real job. If your concern is that you won't have as cool of loot as the next person, then you just need to pay up. You had the same option in Diablo 2 with illegitimate item sellers, so I don't see a big difference.
Of course, the whole online only/single player/lagging issue, all I can really say is, I never used single player mode in Diablo 2. I never found a need to. I always wanted the ability to play on battle.net if I wanted to, and if there was an issue with lag I dealt with it. I see diablo as being similar to MMOs (not exactly the same obviously). I have accepted the fact that it is an online game, and I play with that understanding. It doesn't make me like the game any less.
QuoteThe game itself can be entertaining without a lot of those things.
True, the game was very entertaining for a few weeks. But after a few more weeks of grinding for gear, I found out that it's impossible to "complete" the game without those things, at least in a life time.
@Scotty
I noticed that people skipped through the game too (I was one of them) because after the first few days everyone had complete at least one difficulty...after that the same story is shown many times over and over as you go through each difficulty. I know this is how diablo is as I played diablo 2. I reckon I've played through each act maybe 20 times already and if someone doesn't skip, I need to. So I'd suggest if you care about the story, play solo.
It's not that people don't care about the story (many people do) it's just they've played through it so many times.
Quote from: JoEL on June 19, 2012, 09:03:04 AM
@Scotty
I noticed that people skipped through the game too (I was one of them) because after the first few days everyone had complete at least one difficulty...after that the same story is shown many times over and over as you go through each difficulty. I know this is how diablo is as I played diablo 2. I reckon I've played through each act maybe 20 times already and if someone doesn't skip, I need to. So I'd suggest if you care about the story, play solo.
It's not that people don't care about the story (many people do) it's just they've played through it so many times.
I should have clarified, this was day three of the game's release (in my case). I was just playing with a bunch of douchecanoes that had no interest in the storyline on the first play through. After the first play through, sure, skip 'em, I won't be offended, but when I have to play through each act 3-4 times just to get all the different storyline pieces, something's wrong and I need to move on to solo play.
Got my copy last night and installed it. Didn't have time to fire it up yet though.
I definitely plan to play through once solo. I am actually thinking of having a character specifically for playing with a couple of my friends. This way we all have a set of characters that stay around the same level and we only play those characters when we're all together. I think the co-op play would be more fun that way.
Joel, I assume you're talking about playing through and beating Inferno? I think it's intentional that it is that difficult. To be completely honest, Diablo 2 was broken in that sense. At first, I could talk a level 1 char and get run through all three difficulties without dying or leveling once, and then run through the cow level to at least level 60 within about an hour. After they nerfed the cow level and it was more about Baal runs, I would say it was still too easy to be rushed through all three difficulties. And then, once you got up to a certain level, you could pretty much manage in any difficulty level without any real need to gear up too much or be all that skilled.
In Diablo 3, from what I hear they are working on the difficulty curve, but basically normal is very easy and lets people run through the game with relative ease so they can get the experience of gameplay and storyline. After that, it progresses so that it becomes challenging at each level of difficulty and you have to increase your gear so that you can survive. Which, to me, is the whole point of increasing levels of difficulty. If they made it simple to run through all levels of difficulty, then what would be the point?
Quote from: Lingus on June 19, 2012, 01:00:15 PM
Joel, I assume you're talking about playing through and beating Inferno?
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In Diablo 3, from what I hear they are working on the difficulty curve, but basically normal is very easy and lets people run through the game with relative ease so they can get the experience of gameplay and storyline. After that, it progresses so that it becomes challenging at each level of difficulty and you have to increase your gear so that you can survive. Which, to me, is the whole point of increasing levels of difficulty. If they made it simple to run through all levels of difficulty, then what would be the point?
Yeah I understand that they intentionally made inferno difficult, but I don't like how they pushed me to use the auction house to upgrade my gear. (just my opinion btw)
Quote from: JoEL on June 20, 2012, 06:54:41 AM
Quote from: Lingus on June 19, 2012, 01:00:15 PM
Joel, I assume you're talking about playing through and beating Inferno?
[snip]
In Diablo 3, from what I hear they are working on the difficulty curve, but basically normal is very easy and lets people run through the game with relative ease so they can get the experience of gameplay and storyline. After that, it progresses so that it becomes challenging at each level of difficulty and you have to increase your gear so that you can survive. Which, to me, is the whole point of increasing levels of difficulty. If they made it simple to run through all levels of difficulty, then what would be the point?
Yeah I understand that they intentionally made inferno difficult, but I don't like how they pushed me to use the auction house to upgrade my gear. (just my opinion btw)
The majority of people use the auction house. If they made Inferno any easier, they'd be having WAY more people complain that its too easy. Sometimes developers cant make everyone happy.
Oh yea, for anyone interested in adding me my battle tag is Lingus#1674
I have a question. How many people here like Diablo 3?
Do you guys see the hype about how much people hate this game? People are serious about this.
I just don't get it. I played Diablo 2 for hundreds of hours. I loved the game. I also like playing Diablo 3. I like the improvements they made and I think it has made it a better game... not the worst game ever made as some people seem to think.
It appears that a majority of people dislike the auction house, and that is one of the major reasons for disliking the game. Honestly I don't see the big deal. I'm not sure how much they realized the exact same thing was happening in Diablo 2, except it was illegitimate and massively exploitable. Trading meant joining a game with someone who you didn't know and you or they would drop gear on the ground. Entirely left to trust. And people took advantage of it. I would much rather have their be the option of an auction house that people could use and not be screwed over on. Of course, I have heard that people have gotten screwed over specifically by the auction house not giving them their money, but that's a customer support issue, not a game design issue.
The auction house itself is an optional game component that you can entirely choose to ignore and play the game as usual. And for those people that say it's impossible to find items in the game, well for one the game just recently came out and I know for a fact that they will be tweaking things like drop rates constantly, and secondly shit was hard to find in Diablo 2 also.
So yea... What do you guys think?
Quote from: Lingus on June 29, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
I have a question. How many people here like Diablo 3?
Do you guys see the hype about how much people hate this game? People are serious about this.
I just don't get it. I played Diablo 2 for hundreds of hours. I loved the game. I also like playing Diablo 3. I like the improvements they made and I think it has made it a better game... not the worst game ever made as some people seem to think.
It appears that a majority of people dislike the auction house, and that is one of the major reasons for disliking the game. Honestly I don't see the big deal. I'm not sure how much they realized the exact same thing was happening in Diablo 2, except it was illegitimate and massively exploitable. Trading meant joining a game with someone who you didn't know and you or they would drop gear on the ground. Entirely left to trust. And people took advantage of it. I would much rather have their be the option of an auction house that people could use and not be screwed over on. Of course, I have heard that people have gotten screwed over specifically by the auction house not giving them their money, but that's a customer support issue, not a game design issue.
The auction house itself is an optional game component that you can entirely choose to ignore and play the game as usual. And for those people that say it's impossible to find items in the game, well for one the game just recently came out and I know for a fact that they will be tweaking things like drop rates constantly, and secondly shit was hard to find in Diablo 2 also.
So yea... What do you guys think?
I pretty much feel the same way. I was loving Diablo 3, went on the forums, and found a bunch of very vocal people that hated the game. What I found funny, was that all of the hate was so inconsistent. Many people thought inferno was too hard, others said it was way too easy, etc. There was one guy that said that leveling didn't feel important anymore, which I thought was utterly retarded. Every single level feels important, unlike Diablo 2, where you didn't learn 1 to 2 new skills every time you leveled up. Most of the complaints are from butt hurt people that don't like change and don't like how things were streamlined for the better.
Also, if you don't like the auction house, don't use it.
Quote from: Jake on June 29, 2012, 01:36:37 PMAlso, if you don't like the auction house, don't use it.
Seriously. People are making this out to be a major issue. They are saying that Blizzard has focused the entire game so that you use the AH more and therefore make them more money. In other words, they made it so difficult to find good items that you basically have to go to the auction house to ever have anything usefull. Now, I'm not anywhere near end game, but I was in Diablo 2. I played for hours and hours. I had a magic find sorc. I did Mephisto runs over and over and over again. And you know what? I ended up buying a few items online for my bowazon. There was no way I was ever going to find those specific items simply by doing MF runs. It's the same freaking problem in Diablo 3, except now you have the option of having a legitimate platform for safe transactions instead of worrying if someone is going to take your money and run off with your items. And, in addition to that, if you want to make transactions by dropping shit on the ground and possibly being ripped off, you still can!
But really, that's only one aspect of the game. It's really only the end game content that you would even be affected by this. You can very easily play the game casually without ever using the AH. You could probably even get into the game pretty heavily without using it.
Quote from: Lingus on June 29, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
Trading meant joining a game with someone who you didn't know and you or they would drop gear on the ground. Entirely left to trust. And people took advantage of it.
Sorry to nitpick but that was actually Diablo 1, Diablo 2 had a trading menu. There was still of course ways to screw over people, for instance I will always remember the time I joined a game to trade for a shako (http://shopimages.crexis.com/diablo2/helms/harlequincrestshako1.jpg), the guy showed me the item then made some excuse to close the trade screen. After making up some crap about how he was feeling iffy about the trade, he finally agreed, opened up the trade menu, and put up a magic green cap with some shitty effects. I didn't realize until after I traded. :(
Alas I still haven't gotten the chance to fully test out Diablo 3 as it's still giving my fps trouble for no apparent reason. From what I have played I can say that Diablo 3 is an entirely different game, like the difference between Diablo 1 & Diablo 2, it has taken another step. In the right direction? I don't know, I still have my doubts that this game will actually survive over time as well as its predecessors, but is it fun? Sure it is, and that's all that really matters.
Quote from: Lingus on June 29, 2012, 01:52:22 PM
Quote from: Jake on June 29, 2012, 01:36:37 PMAlso, if you don't like the auction house, don't use it.
Seriously. People are making this out to be a major issue. They are saying that Blizzard has focused the entire game so that you use the AH more and therefore make them more money. In other words, they made it so difficult to find good items that you basically have to go to the auction house to ever have anything usefull. Now, I'm not anywhere near end game, but I was in Diablo 2. I played for hours and hours. I had a magic find sorc. I did Mephisto runs over and over and over again. And you know what? I ended up buying a few items online for my bowazon. There was no way I was ever going to find those specific items simply by doing MF runs. It's the same freaking problem in Diablo 3, except now you have the option of having a legitimate platform for safe transactions instead of worrying if someone is going to take your money and run off with your items. And, in addition to that, if you want to make transactions by dropping shit on the ground and possibly being ripped off, you still can!
But really, that's only one aspect of the game. It's really only the end game content that you would even be affected by this. You can very easily play the game casually without ever using the AH. You could probably even get into the game pretty heavily without using it.
I like diablo 3. I played it for sooooo many hours and had a lot of fun, but now I'm bored to be honest. I've stopped playing diablo 3 for about 2 weeks now for a number of reasons. I've played it ever since it came out. I got a few classes to level 60 to try different approaches to inferno out.
The main reasons I quit till they fix the game are:
- Melee classes have it way harder then ranged classes, for example ranged can kite so easy and drop a tonne of damage. Melee have to tank monsters at some point and past act 2 it's impossible, you will constantly get 1 - 2 hit.
- When opening chests/smashing vases or anything that isn't killing monsters, MF is useless.
- Auction House is broken, will cost me 80 million (no exaggeration) to upgrade 1 of my items. There are so many gold farmers/botters that the only way I can get an upgrade from the AH is buy the gold with real money. There is no possible way to grind 80 million gold in this game (currently). (Google this, I read an interview of a Chinese gold farmer using a bot he made to farm gold on over 100 accounts at the same time)
- They should remove real money AH all together imo and just make it so you can buy and sell gold through the game. It sucks having to search twice for everything when switching to and from the real money/gold AH.
- Blacksmithing / JC is broken, the items you can craft are terrible and cost a seriously large amount of gold for randomly generated stats. Noone uses this. (At least since I last played)
- Not a lot of re-playability. It feels as if the story of the game was rushed for me and so were the acts. They got smaller and shorter as each act went by, act 4 was a bit of a let down.
- Witch Doctor class is a joke, only has 1 viable spec on inferno.
To me, it doesn't really feel much like diablo 2 at all. It doesn't have nearly as much character customization and it feels as if it's just lacking a huge key part that diablo 2 had. I'm hoping that it's just because it was released a bit too early and blizzard will sort out a few of these issues. Hopefully PvP will bring some fun back into the game for me, maybe that's what it's missing. Hopefully the arenas are good :)
Quote from: Lucifer on June 29, 2012, 02:02:39 PM
Quote from: Lingus on June 29, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
Trading meant joining a game with someone who you didn't know and you or they would drop gear on the ground. Entirely left to trust. And people took advantage of it.
Sorry to nitpick but that was actually Diablo 1, Diablo 2 had a trading menu.
True, but when I bought something from an online store they just drop it in the game. But yea, it was exploitable either way.
Joel, At least you have some constructive criticism. I was seriously getting a bit frustrated with all of the people spouting off stuff that basically sounds like conspiracy theories.
On the point of how much gold items cost on AH, I read a post about someone who tried selling items for a reasonable price, around 3-5k gold. He wasn't having any luck selling anything and was just stock piling items that should be worth something. He eventually put the items up for in excess of millions of gold and they are now selling like hot cakes. Now, tell me what aspect of the AH is broken there. The AH itself, or the people that use it? If something is priced reasonably, people won't even look at it, but if it's insanely overpriced people will throw their gold at it. It's the players that are screwing up the economy, not the design of the AH, or even botters (well, maybe the fact that botters are putting so much gold into the economy is screwing it up, but just because there is a lot of gold in the economy doesn't mean people can't still price their items reasonably.)
I'd say the economy is just broken currently. Hopefully it'll ease off once botters are gone.
QuoteI was seriously getting a bit frustrated with all of the people spouting off stuff that basically sounds like conspiracy theories.
They also frustrated me, they seem like such an ungrateful community...
I'd say the Diablo 3 community is the worst. They have nothing but hate for the game.
Quote from: Lingus on June 29, 2012, 03:08:38 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on June 29, 2012, 02:02:39 PM
Quote from: Lingus on June 29, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
Trading meant joining a game with someone who you didn't know and you or they would drop gear on the ground. Entirely left to trust. And people took advantage of it.
Sorry to nitpick but that was actually Diablo 1, Diablo 2 had a trading menu.
True, but when I bought something from an online store they just drop it in the game. But yea, it was exploitable either way.
Joel, At least you have some constructive criticism. I was seriously getting a bit frustrated with all of the people spouting off stuff that basically sounds like conspiracy theories.
On the point of how much gold items cost on AH, I read a post about someone who tried selling items for a reasonable price, around 3-5k gold. He wasn't having any luck selling anything and was just stock piling items that should be worth something. He eventually put the items up for in excess of millions of gold and they are now selling like hot cakes. Now, tell me what aspect of the AH is broken there. The AH itself, or the people that use it? If something is priced reasonably, people won't even look at it, but if it's insanely overpriced people will throw their gold at it. It's the players that are screwing up the economy, not the design of the AH, or even botters (well, maybe the fact that botters are putting so much gold into the economy is screwing it up, but just because there is a lot of gold in the economy doesn't mean people can't still price their items reasonably.)
The reason they didn't see his cheap prices was because unless you put a maximum buyout, the only auctions that show will be the highest prices, in the millions. The people who bought his items for millions and not thousands were simply too stupid to set a maximum buyout.
As for the conspiracy theories, they aren't as crazy as you think. There are blue posts that say they adjust the drop rates depending on how well the RMAH is doing, but they were deleted. There were posts after 1.0.3 that said blizzard secretly nerfed drop rates and didn't include it in the patch notes, and they WERE true. So far Blizzard has been doing a lot of things in secrecy and there are valid arguments that they do this entirely to support the RMAH.
There are also numerous occasions of people straight up losing their money on the RMAH.
Where is your proof?
"Deleted posts" lol... this isn't really evidence of them not being conspiracies. They've changed the drop rates on previous patch notes and they are actually in the patch notes. Also, who cares if they do support RMAH and adjust the game so people actually use it? Why shouldn't they?
Quote from: JoEL on July 01, 2012, 04:28:06 AM
Where is your proof?
"Deleted posts" lol... this isn't really evidence of them not being conspiracies. They've changed the drop rates on previous patch notes and they are actually in the patch notes. Also, who cares if they do support RMAH and adjust the game so people actually use it? Why shouldn't they?
http://www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/44096/_1340960757.jpg
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Beware-Diablo-3-RMAH-Gamer-Loses-149-Auction-House-Bug-44100.html
Quote from: Yankyal on July 02, 2012, 02:35:53 AM
Quote from: JoEL on July 01, 2012, 04:28:06 AM
Where is your proof?
"Deleted posts" lol... this isn't really evidence of them not being conspiracies. They've changed the drop rates on previous patch notes and they are actually in the patch notes. Also, who cares if they do support RMAH and adjust the game so people actually use it? Why shouldn't they?
http://www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/44096/_1340960757.jpg
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Beware-Diablo-3-RMAH-Gamer-Loses-149-Auction-House-Bug-44100.html
From Jay Wilson:
Quote from: Jay Wilson June 7th Reddit AMAThe auction house has absolutely no effect on drop rates. There are conspiracy theories and misunderstandings but I do want to re-iterate, the is NO interaction whatsoever. Bashiok mentioned earlier that we took the AH into account, so let me expand a little bit on that.
The drop rates were tuned for a player who would never use the Auction House. For the majority of internal development we didn't have an Auction House, we all played using our own drops only. I've personally leveled multiple characters from 1 to 60 internally before the game came out using only drops that I found - we all did.
When we say we "took the AH into account" that means it's one of many factors. ie. some players will choose to play without trading, some players would play in a group of 4 where they share drops among each other, and some (as it turns out, many) players would use the AH.
Additionally, one example where the game bugged out is not proof of "numerous occasions of people straight up losing money". Now, I've personally seen two or three people sharing stories similar to that one; the thing to note is that people hardly bring forth closure after the dust settles. Most of the people get their money or items back, once they are done with Blizzard CS. It may take awhile, but it doesn't change the fact that everything was returned to normal for them.
Quote from: Yankyal on July 02, 2012, 02:35:53 AM
Quote from: JoEL on July 01, 2012, 04:28:06 AM
Where is your proof?
"Deleted posts" lol... this isn't really evidence of them not being conspiracies. They've changed the drop rates on previous patch notes and they are actually in the patch notes. Also, who cares if they do support RMAH and adjust the game so people actually use it? Why shouldn't they?
http://www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/44096/_1340960757.jpg
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Beware-Diablo-3-RMAH-Gamer-Loses-149-Auction-House-Bug-44100.html
From a random blogger? seems legit?
The only AH glitch I've seen is the one where you can dupe gold from the AH, which was patched. Essentially you could sell an item with a really high buy out that noone would buy and give it a reasonable starting price, once someone bids on it you could change your systems clock and cancel the item on the AH and get the current bid delivered to you. Sometimes the person who bid on it would lose their money, sometimes not. Like I said though, this was patched a while ago.
Quote from: JoEL on July 02, 2012, 09:12:47 AM
From a random blogger? seems legit?
The only AH glitch I've seen is the one where you can dupe gold from the AH, which was patched. Essentially you could sell an item with a really high buy out that noone would buy and give it a reasonable starting price, once someone bids on it you could change your systems clock and cancel the item on the AH and get the current bid delivered to you. Sometimes the person who bid on it would lose their money, sometimes not. Like I said though, this was patched a while ago.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5978428874
The original thread of the person getting robbed by Blizzard.
Oh, and, Blizzard just banned a SHIT ton of Linux users who were using Wine to play Diablo 3. No refunds or unbans for anyone who got banned.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5978861022
Quote from: Yankyal
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5978428874
The original thread of the person getting robbed by Blizzard.
Okay so you've shown 1 link to me about these "numerous cases" that had no blue post. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. This wasn't really what I was looking for, I was talking about drop rates specifically in my post...
Quote from: Yankyal on July 01, 2012, 03:13:07 AM
As for the conspiracy theories, they aren't as crazy as you think. There are blue posts that say they adjust the drop rates depending on how well the RMAH is doing, but they were deleted. There were posts after 1.0.3 that said blizzard secretly nerfed drop rates and didn't include it in the patch notes, and they WERE true. So far Blizzard has been doing a lot of things in secrecy and there are valid arguments that they do this entirely to support the RMAH.
[snip]
Your post is confusing, but I put the parts that I was talking about in my post in bold.
Honestly, I don't even want to see a thread from the Blizzard site. 99 out of 100 posts are people complaining just to complain. And any time someone with some actual logic makes a comment that is in favor of Blizzard, it is followed by another 30 posts of people just completely belittling them. And that Cinemablend website basically sounds like it's any one of the random people on the Blizzard forum who created a website just to complain about Blizzard in a different format.
Quote from: JoEL on July 03, 2012, 09:17:14 AM
Quote from: Yankyal
As for the conspiracy theories, they aren't as crazy as you think. There are blue posts that say they adjust the drop rates depending on how well the RMAH is doing, but they were deleted. There were posts after 1.0.3 that said blizzard secretly nerfed drop rates and didn't include it in the patch notes, and they WERE true. So far Blizzard has been doing a lot of things in secrecy and there are valid arguments that they do this entirely to support the RMAH.
[snip]
Your post is confusing, but I put the parts that I was talking about in my post in bold.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5150764997?page=3#49
Bashiok himself stating they change drop rates so people can't get gear too easily, and they use the AH to determine whether people are gearing up too fast.
Quote from: Yankyal on July 04, 2012, 05:21:51 PM
Quote from: JoEL on July 03, 2012, 09:17:14 AM
Quote from: Yankyal
As for the conspiracy theories, they aren't as crazy as you think. There are blue posts that say they adjust the drop rates depending on how well the RMAH is doing, but they were deleted. There were posts after 1.0.3 that said blizzard secretly nerfed drop rates and didn't include it in the patch notes, and they WERE true. So far Blizzard has been doing a lot of things in secrecy and there are valid arguments that they do this entirely to support the RMAH.
[snip]
Your post is confusing, but I put the parts that I was talking about in my post in bold.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5150764997?page=3#49
Bashiok himself stating they change drop rates so people can't get gear too easily, and they use the AH to determine whether people are gearing up too fast.
And are we just ignoring the quote from Jay Wilson, or do we just love rolling around in confirmation biases?
Quote from: Cactuscat222 on July 04, 2012, 05:39:02 PMAnd are we just ignoring the quote from Jay Wilson, or do we just love rolling around in confirmation biases?
Yes.
Btw, did you all forget that Yankyal is a troll? I don't really care if he does. I am still happy that the ratio of conspiracy theorists to normal people in this thread is under 1.
Quote from: Lingus on July 05, 2012, 09:27:13 PM
Quote from: Cactuscat222 on July 04, 2012, 05:39:02 PMAnd are we just ignoring the quote from Jay Wilson, or do we just love rolling around in confirmation biases?
Yes.
Btw, did you all forget that Yankyal is a troll? I don't really care if he does. I am still happy that the ratio of conspiracy theorists to normal people in this thread is under 1.
1+1=11, 11 is how old I was 8 ears ago, 8 is the number of fingers the normal person has minus their 2 thumbs, 2 is 1 more than 1. OH GOD IT'S EVERYWHERE.
RUN FOR THE HILLS!
Quote from: Lucifer on July 05, 2012, 10:55:27 PM
Quote from: Lingus on July 05, 2012, 09:27:13 PM
Quote from: Cactuscat222 on July 04, 2012, 05:39:02 PMAnd are we just ignoring the quote from Jay Wilson, or do we just love rolling around in confirmation biases?
Yes.
Btw, did you all forget that Yankyal is a troll? I don't really care if he does. I am still happy that the ratio of conspiracy theorists to normal people in this thread is under 1.
1+1=11, 11 is how old I was 8 ears ago, 8 is the number of fingers the normal person has minus their 2 thumbs, 2 is 1 more than 1. OH GOD IT'S EVERYWHERE.
RUN FOR THE HILLS!
http://youtu.be/geHLdg_VNww
Quote from: Lingus on July 05, 2012, 09:27:13 PM
Btw, did you all forget that Yankyal is a troll? I don't really care if he does. I am still happy that the ratio of conspiracy theorists to normal people in this thread is under 1.
I simply read over Cactus's post because I was mainly looking for JoEL's. You're insulting me for a making simple mistake, and your post is the only one insulting anyone in this thread. But yeah I sure am trolling for the lulz xD xD you got me.
Quote from: JoEL on July 02, 2012, 09:12:47 AM
From a random blogger? seems legit?
The only AH glitch I've seen is the one where you can dupe gold from the AH, which was patched. Essentially you could sell an item with a really high buy out that noone would buy and give it a reasonable starting price, once someone bids on it you could change your systems clock and cancel the item on the AH and get the current bid delivered to you. Sometimes the person who bid on it would lose their money, sometimes not. Like I said though, this was patched a while ago.
Did Blizzard refund the people who lost their money?
Quote from: Yankyal on July 08, 2012, 12:42:37 PM
Quote from: Lingus on July 05, 2012, 09:27:13 PM
Btw, did you all forget that Yankyal is a troll? I don't really care if he does. I am still happy that the ratio of conspiracy theorists to normal people in this thread is under 1.
I simply read over Cactus's post because I was mainly looking for JoEL's. You're insulting me for a making simple mistake, and your post is the only one insulting anyone in this thread. But yeah I sure am trolling for the lulz xD xD you got me.
Quote from: JoEL on July 02, 2012, 09:12:47 AM
From a random blogger? seems legit?
The only AH glitch I've seen is the one where you can dupe gold from the AH, which was patched. Essentially you could sell an item with a really high buy out that noone would buy and give it a reasonable starting price, once someone bids on it you could change your systems clock and cancel the item on the AH and get the current bid delivered to you. Sometimes the person who bid on it would lose their money, sometimes not. Like I said though, this was patched a while ago.
Did Blizzard refund the people who lost their money?
Was just a rumour, not sure if it was actually real. I'm sure they would have if it actually did happen. I'm over talking about this, it's just spreading the hate towards this game from blizzards forums to this thread.
Anyway I logged onto my wizzard the other day and noticed my damage went from 42k to 29k, ouch. The nerf to attack speed nerfed my dps quite harshly :(
Oh well, back to trying to get high crit/crit damage.
Quote from: Yankyal on July 08, 2012, 12:42:37 PM
Quote from: Lingus on July 05, 2012, 09:27:13 PM
Btw, did you all forget that Yankyal is a troll? I don't really care if he does. I am still happy that the ratio of conspiracy theorists to normal people in this thread is under 1.
I simply read over Cactus's post because I was mainly looking for JoEL's. You're insulting me for a making simple mistake, and your post is the only one insulting anyone in this thread. But yeah I sure am trolling for the lulz xD xD you got me.
I wasn't trying to insult you dude. It was all meant to be in good nature. I do think you're a bit of a troll, but a friendly one at that. And I have no problem with you posting a differing opinion if you truely believe it. It's just that the whole discussion started because I was getting a bit tired of seeing people posting the same kinds of things you're posting here. It just feels like everyone hates Diablo 3 for these different things that in my opinion don't really matter.
In any case, my comment was meant to be funny while also being truthful, but I didn't mean to offend you if I did.
The worst are the people that are like "Diablo 3 sucks. I beat it with wizard, monk, Demon hunter, and I've only sunk 200 hours into it and theres already nothing left to do."
That's 60 bucks for 200+ hours of gameplay. Stop effing complaining. If you can play a game for 200 hours before getting bored, that is a good game.
Quote from: Jake on July 09, 2012, 05:57:35 PM
The worst are the people that are like "Diablo 3 sucks. I beat it with wizard, monk, Demon hunter, and I've only sunk 200 hours into it and theres already nothing left to do."
That's 60 bucks for 200+ hours of gameplay. Stop effing complaining. If you can play a game for 200 hours before getting bored, that is a good game.
And when they say they "beat it" they mean they did normal mode on each character.
The game doesn't even start till Hell mode in my opinion.