this is fancy. I saw this on my twitter from the digg 2000.
its a Wireless Electricity Demo and i think if this stuff works out we have something here.
http://blog.ted.com/2009/08/wireless_electr.php
That is reallllly awesome. Thank you for sharing because that definitely sparks my interest. +karma
EDIT: Just for reference, your topic title should be "You have to say...", not half.
Heh. That's actually an idea I had at one point. Unlike these guys, though, I couldn't think of a way to actually pull it off. :o
That's cool. I lold at the fact that I was talking to a guy in a tv store and he said that there's no way to power up a tv wireless. Think again, tv guy. :D
Yea, I read an article on this a ways back. Not sure if it's the same techonology. The guy said there were actually two different ways of doing it. This is definitely going to be a drastic change for technology. The ability to power something wirelessly will be revolutionary I think. Imagine instead of having all sorts of power cables for your home, car, etc etc to recharge and power all of your different devices, you have 1 of these wireless electricity devices per location that work for any and all devices. Of course, that depends on standardization.
I was reading some ones post and they said how are they going to keep people from stealing electric?
Actually, I was just talking about this the other night with someone and they brought up a similarly interesting question. How energy efficient is this? What with everyone trying to be energy compliant, will this be up to those standards? I don't really understand how the technology works exactly, but if this magnetic device is always powered on, won't that draw a lot of power? And what's happening when there are no devices using it? Does it still draw power or no? Is there a lot of energy bleed even with no devices around? I'm sure they'll end up answering all those questions for everyone.
All im hoping is like anything else a competitor comes out that battles it trying to come up with better technology. This is early stage stuff and it hope it get better.
There's 2 ways to go with that though. A competitor means better prices and/or better product, which is good for the consumer. It also means proprietary devices... which is bad for consumers. Basically, if you have one or more companies that provide this product, they're going to make it so their devices only work with their own devices. Depending on who is putting the technology in the individual devices, the device manufacturer or the wireless electricity manufacturer, this could potentially mean you would need more than one of these wireless electricity devices to power all of your devices. Your cell phone company might have partnered with one wireless electronic company wheras your TV manufacturer partnered with another. In this scenario the consumer actually loses.
That is a whole different subject. But i did take that into consideration when i made my post and came to the conclusion that something like this is worth more than the downfall of what your are saying IMO.
Well, the way I see it is that this technology has a clear benefit. It doesn't really require competition for a company to want to develop it fully. So no matter what, we're going to get an awesome new technology. With that said, competition is really only going to be bad for the consumer. It will be like the HD/Blu Ray war. It will take months or years for a winner to emerge and for the technology to be standardized. Worst case scenario, they never standardize and there's always multiple choices and multiple requirements. Which really defeats the benefits of this technology. The way I see it, the benefit is not having to have multiple different cables for every single device you own. With competition, it's a potential possibility that you will need multiple wireless electricity devices anyways...
Quote from: Lingus on August 31, 2009, 06:16:45 PM
Well, the way I see it is that this technology has a clear benefit. It doesn't really require competition for a company to want to develop it fully. So no matter what, we're going to get an awesome new technology. With that said, competition is really only going to be bad for the consumer. It will be like the HD/Blu Ray war. It will take months or years for a winner to emerge and for the technology to be standardized. Worst case scenario, they never standardize and there's always multiple choices and multiple requirements. Which really defeats the benefits of this technology. The way I see it, the benefit is not having to have multiple different cables for every single device you own. With competition, it's a potential possibility that you will need multiple wireless electricity devices anyways...
Lingus i think no competition means monopoly (which is even worse than what your saying IMO) unless regulated under the government. And these people want to make a business out of it.
what i would like to say im unable to wright it down do to that my writing skills suck. i will try to follow up with a youtube video if you dont mind.
But the summery of it would be that i do belave competition is the best way to do. This is all IMO.
Just to leave off this post Lingus how do you think this technology should be developed? just wondering. i what to have a open mide and i want to see other ways this could be done other than competition.
I was talking to my dad about this, who is an engineer. And apparently (as I think the guy in the video at least briefly mentions), the basic concept behind this has been around for quite some time and is already commonly used to a much lesser extent in some engines and stuff apparently. My dad was also saying how sometimes people with powerlines running over their houses would put big coils in their attics to leach free electricity off the power company haha. Basically I guess this is just increasing the range and effectiveness to be usable in all sorts of stuff. Either way wireless electricity would definitely be super awesome.
Well, to answer your question, they're already developing it. They already have a working model... I believe they actually have more than one (based on the article I read). They have 2 completely different, working methods of creating wireless electricity. So I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at. You're worried about them developing this technology, but they already did. Do you mean making it better? As in, smaller devices with longer range and better efficiency? I guess that's a valid reason for competition. But that's always going to be the case no matter what.
The thing about it is that there's going to be competition. Where that competition is is the question. Is it two competing technologies, or multiple companies competing to sell the same technology? The former is bad for consumers because until one wins out you might be wasting money on the losing side (as some people did when they bought HDDVD products). The latter is good for consumers, because there is 1 standardized technology, but the prices will be lower because multiple companies are competing. That's the model of competition I would like to see, not the first one.
Quote from: Lingus on August 31, 2009, 08:06:42 PM
The latter is good for consumers, because there is 1 standardized technology, but the prices will be lower because multiple companies are competing. That's the model of competition I would like to see, not the first one.
oh well there you go. me also :D
Quotesometimes people with powerlines running over their houses would put big coils in their attics to leach free electricity off the power company haha
tell more... :P
Duracell and Energizer will surely be pissed. They'll probably replace that cute bunny's drum with a sniper rifle to assassinate all involved in the project. >.<
Also I had a question I was hoping somebody could answer...they say that it isn't possible to get electrocuted in the video because it can only supply electricity to things on the same wave-length. This confuses me because...are humans even running on a certain wavelength? And that wouldn't remain constant would it? I am just so confuzzled...hope somebody can clarify for me. O_o
It actually uses magnetic fields to supply electricity. The magnetic fields apparently have to be matched on both devices. The human body does create a magnetic field apparently, so it's conceivable that a device could match with that wavelength and do something to the body... not electrocute it I don't think. But maybe radiation? I'm not sure.
Oh, and devices will still need batteries. For instance, I think cell phones and other mobile devices will use this to recharge. It would be like walking into this room and always being plugged into the wall without the cable. But when you leave the room, or the range of the device, it will use the battery (which has been fully recharged in the time you were in the room).
Quote from: Lingus on September 01, 2009, 03:25:02 PM
It actually uses magnetic fields to supply electricity. The magnetic fields apparently have to be matched on both devices. The human body does create a magnetic field apparently, so it's conceivable that a device could match with that wavelength and do something to the body... not electrocute it I don't think. But maybe radiation? I'm not sure.
Oh, and devices will still need batteries. For instance, I think cell phones and other mobile devices will use this to recharge. It would be like walking into this room and always being plugged into the wall without the cable. But when you leave the room, or the range of the device, it will use the battery (which has been fully recharged in the time you were in the room).
Ah okay thanks. That makes a lot more sense to me.
Im making this all up but what if they could make this super long rang like cell phone towers? think about the possibility's.
Quote from: ARTgames on September 02, 2009, 07:15:39 PM
Im making this all up but what if they could make this super long rang like cell phone towers? think about the possibility's.
I think in about 10 years, if other countries haven't killed us yet...we'll be able to do things thought to be impossible right now. Technology is really evolving that fast.
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on September 02, 2009, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: ARTgames on September 02, 2009, 07:15:39 PM
Im making this all up but what if they could make this super long rang like cell phone towers? think about the possibility's.
I think in about 10 years, if we haven't killed ourselves yet...we'll be able to do things thought to be impossible right now. Technology is really evolving that fast.
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Quote from: Lucifer on September 02, 2009, 09:19:07 PM
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on September 02, 2009, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: ARTgames on September 02, 2009, 07:15:39 PM
Im making this all up but what if they could make this super long rang like cell phone towers? think about the possibility's.
I think in about 10 years, if we haven't killed ourselves yet...we'll be able to do things thought to be impossible right now. Technology is really evolving that fast.
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Quoted for truth. (As sad as that truth is...)
And this definitely looks really cool. I know I'D get one if/when it came out. Would be SO convenient. :)
On the topic of growing technology, mankind IS becoming a lot smarter. And our intelligence is growing exponentially. We've gotten bigger accomplishments done in the last century or so than in a thousand years before that. I guarantee you, you'll see a LOT of awesome stuff done in our lifetimes.
I hope we don't run out of resources before are technology gets to the point ware we can do something about it.
Quote from: ARTgames on September 02, 2009, 11:23:00 PM
I hope we don't run out of resources before are technology gets to the point ware we can do something about it.
That's a good point. On a similar tone, I'm hoping longevity techniques develop to a point where someone can live forever before I die. I'm sure it's not far off, and it would really suck if we saw the very beginnings of it but couldn't take advantage of it ourselves because it isn't readily available to the public yet (due to monetary reasons).
Though, your concern is more global, but I feel that it is less of an issue because no matter what we will figure it out. If you think about it, if resources become so low that there's a problem, we will be forced into coming up with a solution. That's really how technology develops in the first place. When something is needed.
Quote from: ARTgames on September 02, 2009, 07:15:39 PM
Im making this all up but what if they could make this super long rang like cell phone towers? think about the possibility's.
I saw this show on discovery channel that I can't remember the name of atm where they tested stuff for the future. They actually tried transporting electric power between two islands at Hawaii and it worked ::)
Quote from: Lucifer on September 02, 2009, 09:19:07 PM
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on September 02, 2009, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: ARTgames on September 02, 2009, 07:15:39 PM
Im making this all up but what if they could make this super long rang like cell phone towers? think about the possibility's.
I think in about 10 years, if we haven't killed ourselves yet...we'll be able to do things thought to be impossible right now. Technology is really evolving that fast.
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Haha, thanks for the correction. ;)
Quote from: Lingus on September 03, 2009, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: ARTgames on September 02, 2009, 11:23:00 PM
I hope we don't run out of resources before are technology gets to the point ware we can do something about it.
If you think about it, if resources become so low that there's a problem, we will be forced into coming up with a solution. That's really how technology develops in the first place. When something is needed.
I dont think so. many be that's when a solution gets better funding but i think people are still working ideas ever day.
unless thats what you mean.
Put it this way. If we run out of oil, massive efforts will be put forth towards coming up with a solution. Right now, people are looking at solutions, but no one is really all that serious about it. If it means the decline of civilization as we know it (as lack of fuel would certainly do) then it will be absolute number one top priority and it will be solved. It might not be the best solution, but it would be something.
Btw, the quote I was looking for is, "Necessity is the mother of invention." If there's a need, it will be invented.
Quote from: Lingus on September 03, 2009, 06:38:29 PM
,people are looking at solutions, but no one is really all that serious about it.
my opine differs here. i do think there are people out there really looking into it serious. hey there was even a movie about it recently.
but yes its true that most people don't care until its affect theme directly.
Yea, you're right, some people are serious about this, but until they make a global effort I don't consider it a serious solution. It's not necessarily any individual person or group's fault, it's the fact that everyone as a whole isn't serious about the problem. Once that happens, because it will if there's a serious threat of running out of oil, then the solution will come very quickly.
But we're off on a tangent here...
than i hope this Wireless Electricity is smart on how it useds Electricity. but if this reduces the battery and cord production than maybe it pays off.