Well seeing as karma is also linked to post count...I think we should eliminate gaining post count from sections such as "Forum Games". Just using him as an example, 11Clock has gotten to the highest karma on the forum over the course of a week or 2. In addition to karma, post count affects member titles...so I don't think somebody should be a "Heroic Member" if they play a couple of Stick Mafia games...I am not going to bother going into further detail as I am sure you all understand where I am coming from. So are we in agreement here?
I just ignore member titles and karma levels. I guess for people that do care, it would make sense to eliminate forum games.
I thought it already didn't count.
I just kinda started noticing today that people had a lot of posts and i have never seen them post.
This is why on the Hang Out, Forum Games didn't add to post count, Not because of reputation, but because if posts did count there, tons more people could've gotten into the elite section.
I've gotten tons of posts and rep this way, and even I agree. This needs to be changed.
Definitely, I've been wondering why people have so many posts already, I mean I'm a pretty active member on here, but I'm not really a fan of too many forum games... So I only have 88 posts, and I've been registered since June 29th. Other people already have 200+ posts.
OH NOES... MORE POST COUNT OBVIOUSLY MEANS THEY'RE FAR MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME!
Quote from: Lucifer on October 23, 2009, 01:43:43 AM
OH NOES... MORE POST COUNT OBVIOUSLY MEANS THEY'RE FAR MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME!
Well, considering the karma system is partially affected by your post count, it certainly makes the feature pointless if people only have high karma because they post a bajillion posts in games.
Quote from: Chaos on October 23, 2009, 02:20:36 AM
Quote from: Lucifer on October 23, 2009, 01:43:43 AM
OH NOES... MORE POST COUNT OBVIOUSLY MEANS THEY'RE FAR MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME!
Well, considering the karma system is partially affected by your post count, it certainly makes the feature pointless if people only have high karma because they post a bajillion posts in games.
OH NOES... MORE KARMA OBVIOUSLY MEANS THEY'RE FAR MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME!
Quote from: Lucifer on October 23, 2009, 03:39:25 AM
OH NOES... MORE KARMA OBVIOUSLY MEANS THEY'RE FAR MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME!
I think what Chaos was trying to say is if we're going to have the karma feature, it might as well work as intended.
I just want you all to keep in mind, while choosing to disregard a system is all well in good for you, "not-caring" doesn't actually solve the problem, unfortunately. So while I see both where Lucifer and Torch are coming from, and I understand you 2 usually don't like to post content within the realms of the general populous view...it's not exactly what I'm after with this topic, when you say that you'd like to just ignore it. I am trying to better the system so it doesn't have to be something you ignore.
Quote from: Trogdor on October 23, 2009, 03:49:32 AM
Quote from: Lucifer on October 23, 2009, 03:39:25 AM
OH NOES... MORE KARMA OBVIOUSLY MEANS THEY'RE FAR MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME!
I think what Chaos was trying to say is if we're going to have the karma feature, it might as well work as intended.
That is EXACTLY what I'm saying.
D:, was just joking. I'm not coming in here and telling you that you shouldn't care, just making fun of you for doing so, lulz.
Thought that was pretty dang obvious, by my super serious bsns caps lock.
Quote from: Lucifer on October 23, 2009, 04:26:51 PM
D:, was just joking. I'm not coming in here and telling you that you shouldn't care, just making fun of you for doing so, lulz.
Thought that was pretty dang obvious, by my super serious bsns caps lock.
Yeah, it was obvious that you didn't care, yes.
Ah but I do care! Well, as much as the devil can, anyways.
It is of my opinion that forums are better off without any kind of reputation or karma system whatsoever, as well as post counts. I am not in fact just posting here because I don't care and I just want to spam the topic and waste your time.
Quote from: Lucifer on October 23, 2009, 05:39:55 PM
Ah but I do care! Well, as much as the devil can, anyways.
It is of my opinion that forums are better off without any kind of reputation or karma system whatsoever, as well as post counts. I am not in fact just posting here because I don't care and I just want to spam the topic and waste your time.
I agree with that. I read many more topics than I post in. A post count just adds incentive for people to post in a topic where their post doesn't really contribute to the discussion. That's pretty much why I don't give a shit about member titles.
A reputation system, however, isn't necessarily a bad thing, but shouldn't be determined by post count. Having people give you rep for well though-out posts and de-repping you for bad posts gives people an idea of what kind of member you are. As of now, the rep system basically determines a person's rep by whether or not they play Stick Mafia or Fight Game.
Quote from: Torch on October 23, 2009, 05:53:40 PM
A reputation system, however, isn't necessarily a bad thing, but shouldn't be determined by post count. Having people give you rep for well though-out posts and de-repping you for bad posts gives people an idea of what kind of member you are. As of now, the rep system basically determines a person's rep by whether or not they play Stick Mafia or Fight Game.
This is what I have said since I found out the rep system uses post counts. In fact, from Pwnage's first post, I think I disagree with one of his reasons for not having certain sections increase post count. He listed rep as one of the reasons. I don't think ANY posts should increase rep. Not just forum game posts. I personally don't care about post count, so I don't care if any given section is included or discluded. What I would like to see is rep based on rep.
I'd just like to bump this and post my opinion.
First of all, I think the reputation system needs some reworking. I mean, the reputation system we have now is as worthless as our post count, honestly...why the heck do we get reputation for posting? and why is it that when you disagree with someone they lose -1 rep, they could just as easily post again. They should lose 1 Reputation Power (atleast I'm pretty sure it doesn't do that already).
Second of all, yes I agree that some sections shouldn't add to post count, especially forum games.
Quote from: JoEL on October 28, 2009, 03:21:29 AM
I'd just like to bump this and post my opinion.
First of all, I think the reputation system needs some reworking. I mean, the reputation system we have now is as worthless as our post count, honestly...why the heck do we get reputation for posting? and why is it that when you disagree with someone they lose -1 rep, they could just as easily post again. They should lose 1 Reputation Power (atleast I'm pretty sure it doesn't do that already).
Second of all, yes I agree that some sections shouldn't add to post count, especially forum games.
When you agree or disagree with a person's post, they gain or lose rep equal to your reputation power. I have 4 reputation power, therefor, if I agreed with your post, you would gain 4 rep.
Ohh ok, thanks for clearing that up for me.
Rep should be based on the current system, but the displayed Rep is determined by (Rep/Total Posts).
Example, I have 146posts and 162rep the result would be a displayed rep of 1.110. Therefore any number under 1.0 can be considered to be "looked down upon".
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on October 22, 2009, 09:57:03 PM
Well seeing as karma is also linked to post count...I think we should eliminate gaining post count from sections such as "Forum Games"......
Quote from: Mr PwnageEveryone can thank Meiun for our new and flawless karma system!
http://www.stick-online.com/boards/index.php?topic=312.msg5337#msg5337
And look ware we are now. Wasting time on fixing a "flawless karma system".
I thought forums were about discussion and reading. Not a popularity contest and a personality critique playground. I rather Meiun work on stick online 3 than to work on this system.
But just for the sake of this topic i do "think we should eliminate gaining post count from sections such as Forum Games". Because i have the feeling that is what you made this topic for.
Quote from: ARTgames on October 28, 2009, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on October 22, 2009, 09:57:03 PM
Well seeing as karma is also linked to post count...I think we should eliminate gaining post count from sections such as "Forum Games"......
Quote from: Mr PwnageEveryone can thank Meiun for our new and flawless karma system!
http://www.stick-online.com/boards/index.php?topic=312.msg5337#msg5337
And look ware we are now. Wasting time on fixing a "flawless karma system".
I thought forums were about discussion and reading. Not a popularity contest and a personality critique playground. I rather Meiun work on stick online 3 than to work on this system.
But just for the sake of this topic i do "think we should eliminate gaining post count from sections such as Forum Games". Because i have the feeling that is what you made this topic for.
Eh....I don't understand what point your trying to get across here? Can you be more clear?
I need to start putting "the point is" back into my post. Any way tell me what you think i said.
The reputation system is intended as a way to measure one's 'reputation' on the forum. Ideally, desirable members would have a high reputation, while undesirable members do not. Whether you like the system or not, we HAVE the system, and that is what the system is FOR.
Thusly, the system should work AS intended, otherwise there is no point to the system at all. Gaining reputation for making posts is arguably logical, as a desirable member is one who also provides discussion and content. However, no discussion (the PURPOSE of a forum) is being added from the forum games, it is simply an additional feature. Not to mention the MASSIVE amount of posts that stems from the inherent interactivity of the section.
Therefore, for the system to work as it was intended, the forum games should logically be excluded.
Is there ANYONE that disputes this?
I believe your reputation can be something different from what your karma depicts.
To start some one's reputation is an opinion. I can think some one has a good reputation and some one else can think its bad. Ill give you an example. Lets say your country is in a war and you send out your best general because he the one who killed the most enemies. Well to your country his reputation is good but to your enemies its bad.
Also reputation here is only reputation given to you by the people who invested the time in the system its self. I mean i could go around and give out rep to every post but that's not the point of this forum. Just look at Meiun's karma. I think a lot of us would agree its low to what his reputation really is to this community.
And lastly. I really think reputation cant be simplified to a number and green bars. I mean some one could have a "-5". well what does that mean? Is it because what he says is bad things that a lot of people don't agree with? Or did he post the wrong thing once by accident? Or is that really old and people in the community now feel differently about him and they never got around to raising it? was it a small glitch in the system?
If i were making the system it would be simple. You have a button under your post some ware that says "reputation". Some one else click on it and they write a message about what they think about you. It logs it with that user name/ the post/ date. And this log is open to everyone. So when your reading some one reputation you know who are the people who gives this reputation and when and ware it was giving. I think from that you can pull an ok reputation about the person. But still even this this fall victim to showing only what people think that took the time and write it.
We really don't need a system for this to start with. What wrong with the old way of keeping reputation? Ware you read what they say and what other people say about them. This forum did that from the start. If it ant broke, don't fix it.
The point is, just scrap the darn thing. A wast of time and bandwidth. Your going to mess with it till the end of time but it will never reflect some one's reputation with any amount of accuracy IMO.
Please read all of my post. Most of the time when i get a retort i can respond to it by quoting something in the post they are retorting (is that a word? : P) to.
I agree with ART. The HangOut's reputation system seems to work the best. My vote goes towards bringing that here.
If such a change is impossible or too much work, at least exclude the Forum Games from post/karma count.
Quote from: ARTgames on October 28, 2009, 11:06:48 PM
And lastly. I really think reputation cant be simplified to a number and green bars. I mean some one could have a "-5". well what does that mean? Is it because what he says is bad things that a lot of people don't agree with? Or did he post the wrong thing once by accident? Or is that really old and people in the community now feel differently about him and they never got around to raising it? was it a small glitch in the system?
I can tell exactly what I think someones reputation should be by reading one or two of their posts. But as you said, this is purely opinion. The only thing a reputation system does is tell you that some people don't like this person, or don't agree with them, or visa versa. But all that really does is allow judgments to be made about people before you even read their posts and get to know them. Why should someone be globally declared to have a bad reputation, because a few people don't like him? I think a system like this does more bad than good, and the same system can be applied easily without it.
Anyways, the point is, there is no point. Why change it back to a system that's just as broken as the one we have right now. Just reset everyones reputation, change the forum game section to not add to post count or reputation, give me 2000$, and everyone can be nice and happy.
I don't think anyone wants it to be reset back to the old Karma system. I think the only real change that should be done is to remove post count from affecting reputation. Alternatively, as suggested, remove certain sections from adding post count.
Quote from: Lingus on October 29, 2009, 01:24:50 PM
I don't think anyone wants it to be reset back to the old Karma system. I think the only real change that should be done is to remove post count from affecting reputation. Alternatively, as suggested, remove certain sections from adding post count.
OR... We could all just get used to the one we have now.
Quote from: Lingus on October 29, 2009, 01:24:50 PM
I don't think anyone wants it to be reset back to the old Karma system. I think the only real change that should be done is to remove post count from affecting reputation. Alternatively, as suggested, remove certain sections from adding post count.
You're ignoring the suggestion about switching to the HangOut's karma system.
Quote from: NotoriousM4^ on October 29, 2009, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: Lingus on October 29, 2009, 01:24:50 PM
I don't think anyone wants it to be reset back to the old Karma system. I think the only real change that should be done is to remove post count from affecting reputation. Alternatively, as suggested, remove certain sections from adding post count.
OR... We could all just get used to the one we have now.
But then its not a reputation system - its a second post count, depending on whether or not you play Forum Games. There is no getting used it, because its not working correctly.
I still fail to see the importance of post count OR reputation. I can honestly say I have never looked at someone's post count and said to myself, "Wow, they're really cool and respected. I should model my forum posts after them". Same goes for reputation. In my opinion, the only system that needs changing is the reasons you guys respect one another. Try actually reading what people say, respect them for their personality. A post count is just a number. Not a pressing matter.
Quote from: Hambone on October 29, 2009, 09:57:47 PM
I still fail to see the importance of post count OR reputation. I can honestly say I have never looked at someone's post count and said to myself, "Wow, they're really cool and respected. I should model my forum posts after them". Same goes for reputation. In my opinion, the only system that needs changing is the reasons you guys respect one another. Try actually reading what people say, respect them for their personality. A post count is just a number. Not a pressing matter.
I don't mean to be a prick - but what you just said there was pretty much a jerk move.
1) No one here said anything about how they respect someone based on post count - if anything, they said it was ridiculous, as that is how the current system is... the more posts, the more reputation, and thus, according to the system, the better "poster" you are.
2) If the system is in place, as it has been said many times, it should work like it is supposed to.
The reputation is in place so that people can get a basic idea of how well that person is at posting and/or respected in the current community (this is especially for new people). I should also say, reputation and personality are two VERY different things; you can respect a person for whatever reason you want, be it they have a high reputation, or just because they act cool or smug.
3) Are you really assuming we don't read people's posts and make our own conclusions?
Finally, the way you interpret the system isn't the same way everyone else does... That is more important than anything else. If you don't like it, then don't bother with it - but for those who do, we might as well fix it.
Quote from: Torch on October 29, 2009, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: Lingus on October 29, 2009, 01:24:50 PM
I don't think anyone wants it to be reset back to the old Karma system. I think the only real change that should be done is to remove post count from affecting reputation. Alternatively, as suggested, remove certain sections from adding post count.
You're ignoring the suggestion about switching to the HangOut's karma system.
How is that different from removing post count from affecting Rep? As far as I'm aware it would be nearly identical. Though I would find it more effective than the HO Karma system. Since your Rep power changes how much you can effect other people's reputation points, it seems better to me.
There. Posts made in the "Forum Games" section no longer adds to your post count.
Hmmm, I think that they no longer add. But the posts made in that section prior to the change still count- I highly doubt that 11clock has 1000 posts with none in Forum Games.
~Aqua
Quote from: Aqua on November 02, 2009, 05:24:44 PM
Hmmm, I think that they no longer add. But the posts made in that section prior to the change still count- I highly doubt that 11clock has 1000 posts with none in Forum Games.
~Aqua
I don't think there is any way to fix that other than to completely reset post count.
Whatever, I'm happy. It'll balance out eventually. Some people just got a head start.
Quote from: Lingus on November 02, 2009, 09:03:59 PM
Whatever, I'm happy. It'll balance out eventually. Some people just got a head start.
Agreed - though, they got a HUGE head start, it'll take time before anyone catches up. >.>
Quote from: Cactuscat222 on November 02, 2009, 11:44:31 PM
Quote from: Lingus on November 02, 2009, 09:03:59 PM
Whatever, I'm happy. It'll balance out eventually. Some people just got a head start.
Agreed - though, they got a HUGE head start, it'll take time before anyone catches up. >.>
Start repping each other.
Quote from: Red October on November 02, 2009, 11:53:21 PM
Quote from: Cactuscat222 on November 02, 2009, 11:44:31 PM
Quote from: Lingus on November 02, 2009, 09:03:59 PM
Whatever, I'm happy. It'll balance out eventually. Some people just got a head start.
Agreed - though, they got a HUGE head start, it'll take time before anyone catches up. >.>
Start repping each other.
Or...we could de-rep 11clock and mystery back to about what they should be at....if they both agree. ;)
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on November 03, 2009, 01:27:53 AM
Quote from: Red October on November 02, 2009, 11:53:21 PM
Quote from: Cactuscat222 on November 02, 2009, 11:44:31 PM
Quote from: Lingus on November 02, 2009, 09:03:59 PM
Whatever, I'm happy. It'll balance out eventually. Some people just got a head start.
Agreed - though, they got a HUGE head start, it'll take time before anyone catches up. >.>
Start repping each other.
Or...we could de-rep 11clock and mystery back to about what they should be at....if they both agree. ;)
While that may seem like a good idea in hindsight, it wouldn't work. At ALL. It would take WAY too long to level it back. Plus, you have to remember, it's not just us two. Several others have heightened rep that's way too high as well. Like Torch said, the only real solution is a mass reset of both posts and rep(or scrapping the system). But I'm sure that wouldn't fly for some people either... >_>
EDIT: Oh, and I would kinda mind having crap tons of de-reps every day. That would make our +reps nearly invisible and worthless to some people and new members.
Flies for me. At any rate, Mystery had many posts outside of Forum Games, as 11clock didn't (no offense).
Better for all to be even at 0 than few to be ahead at 1000.
~Aqua
I suggest scrapping the karma system.
Quote from: Mystery on November 03, 2009, 04:36:16 PM
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on November 03, 2009, 01:27:53 AM
Quote from: Red October on November 02, 2009, 11:53:21 PM
Quote from: Cactuscat222 on November 02, 2009, 11:44:31 PM
Quote from: Lingus on November 02, 2009, 09:03:59 PM
Whatever, I'm happy. It'll balance out eventually. Some people just got a head start.
Agreed - though, they got a HUGE head start, it'll take time before anyone catches up. >.>
Start repping each other.
Or...we could de-rep 11clock and mystery back to about what they should be at....if they both agree. ;)
While that may seem like a good idea in hindsight, it wouldn't work. At ALL. It would take WAY too long to level it back. Plus, you have to remember, it's not just us two. Several others have heightened rep that's way too high as well. Like Torch said, the only real solution is a mass reset of both posts and rep(or scrapping the system). But I'm sure that wouldn't fly for some people either... >_>
EDIT: Oh, and I would kinda mind having crap tons of de-reps every day. That would make our +reps nearly invisible and worthless to some people and new members.
Was kidding when I said that. (Please don't de-rep them, lol)
I actually think it would be a good idea to just reset everybody's karma to 0, after perfecting the system to how people think it should operate, and take it from there. A fresh start never hurt anybody.
Or better yet, scrap the post count and reputation feature. Fixes everything and no one has complaints.
Quote from: EpicPhailure on November 03, 2009, 09:11:41 PM
Or better yet, scrap the post count and reputation feature. Fixes everything and no one has complaints.
I tried to say that on page 2 and it did not work. Might as well just put the topic behind you and move along and not let it wast any more of your time. That is what i did. I sure don't want to spend time on something i don't like to start with. That is just me tho.
Oh. I'm too lazy to read 4 pages.
No that was not the point at all. I never even said that to start with. Unless you can point it out. Im saying if you don't like having the system at all don't take part in a topic about fixing it.
Quote from: ARTgames on November 04, 2009, 05:04:56 PM
No that was not the point at all. I never even said that to start with. Unless you can point it out. Im saying if you don't like having the system at all don't take part in a topic about fixing it.
...What?
Just doing some studying on Mystery's and 11clock's post statistics, I got some more interesting statistics.
11Clock
Total Posts: 1039
Most Popular Boards By Posts
Forum Games 947
Ideas & Suggestions 30
Off Topic 29
General 24
Media 14
Video Games 7
Tech Support & Bugs 1
% of posts made in forum games board: 91.14%
Post count (not including forum game posts): 105
Source: http://www.stick-online.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=85;sa=statPanel (http://www.stick-online.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=85;sa=statPanel)
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Mystery
Total Posts: 910
Most Popular Boards By Posts
Forum Games 708
Off Topic 66
Ideas & Suggestions 64
General 52
Media 14
Video Games 10
Tech Support & Bugs 2
Tech Support & Bugs 1
% of posts made in forum games board: 77.8%
Post count (not including forum game posts): 209
Source: http://www.stick-online.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=87;sa=statPanel (http://www.stick-online.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=87;sa=statPanel)
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Interesting...
Lol, that sections been there for a month of not less, do these kids not have lives?
I suppose there post count in those sections reveals it all.
Quote from: JoEL on November 05, 2009, 07:32:26 AM
Lol, that sections been there for a month of not less, do these kids not have lives?
I suppose there post count in those sections reveals it all.
If nothing else you've revealed you're an arrogant prick, but I suppose that was already obvious. How is spending a few hours a day playing forum games any different than spending a few hours playing a video game? I'd say it's even more social.
I love how you make assumptions about everything. They don't do the same things I do, put them down! They don't think the same way I do, put them down! Certainly a respectable way to treat your community, keep it up.
Quote from: ARTgames on November 04, 2009, 05:04:56 PM
Im saying if you don't like having the system at all don't take part in a topic about fixing it.
Mmmmhmm... Perfect logic right there... Obviously if I think a system is broken I should just ignore it completely. I feel like inserting a bush joke here or something...
Honestly I don't know why this topic is still up. Pwnage got what he wanted, now if ya'll would stop being jealous of eachother's post counts (Further proving my point earlier...) this topic would die naturally. If you actually care about "having the system work as intended", PM Meiun, as he doesn't seem to be paying very much attention to our constant bickering in this topic.
Penis.
Quote from: Lucifer on November 05, 2009, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: JoEL on November 05, 2009, 07:32:26 AM
Lol, that sections been there for a month of not less, do these kids not have lives?
I suppose there post count in those sections reveals it all.
If nothing else you've revealed you're an arrogant prick, but I suppose that was already obvious. How is spending a few hours a day playing forum games any different than spending a few hours playing a video game? I'd say it's even more social.
I love how you make assumptions about everything. They don't do the same things I do, put them down! They don't think the same way I do, put them down! Certainly a respectable way to treat your community, keep it up.
This post demands a +rep!
Also;
RedOctoberTotal Posts: 168
Total Reputation: 220
Most Popular Boards By Posts: Forum Games (118)
Off Topic (29)
Ideas & Suggestions (8.)
General (6)
Media (3)
Video Games (3)
Tech Support & Bugs (1)
Non-Forum Game posts, 168 - 118 = 50.
Percentage of post in Forum Games: 70.24%.
I fail to see how Clock and Mystery are particularity bad in there post usage, in Mystery's case he is able to a reasonable number of posts out of Forums Games. This promotes forum activity. The same can be said about 11clock, but to a lesser extent, but lets face it he is/was obsessed with the fight game.
It must be noted that at least 70% of my forum posts came from SM games, but I did play the fight game for a short period.
I feel like a lab rat being studied with all this post analyzing. >_> And I had about 200 posts outside of Forum Games(a lot for the time)when the game started, like Celson said.
Quote from: JoEL on November 05, 2009, 07:32:26 AM
Lol, that sections been there for a month of not less, do these kids not have lives?
I suppose there post count in those sections reveals it all.
I suppose you're a giant prick and Lucifer already explained the reason behind it. For your information, I DO have a life. I just carefully manage my time. Also, -rep.
Quote from: Red October on November 05, 2009, 03:51:23 PM
I fail to see how Clock and Mystery are particularity bad in there post usage, in Mystery's case he is able to a reasonable number of posts out of Forums Games. This promotes forum activity. The same can be said about 11clock, but to a lesser extent, but lets face it he is/was obsessed with the fight game.
It must be noted that at least 70% of my forum posts came from SM games, but I did play the fight game for a short period.
Exactly. Several others played Forum Games with the same result as me and 11, but much, much less drastically.
Quote from: Lucifer on November 05, 2009, 12:05:27 PMHonestly I don't know why this topic is still up. Pwnage got what he wanted, now if ya'll would stop being jealous of eachother's post counts (Further proving my point earlier...) this topic would die naturally. If you actually care about "having the system work as intended", PM Meiun, as he doesn't seem to be paying very much attention to our constant bickering in this topic.
Penis.
My original reason for wanting to have the system work as intended was because it didn't seem fair that I should have so much for participating in something that was not contributing to the forums. Now it's because I want everyone who's over-reacting to get off my %$@#ing back.
I will say this. 11clock did not post much at all outside of the Forum Games section while I did a considerable amount. I was still in the Top 10 posters back then. 11 was not. If anything, he's more guilty than me of this.(if you can even call it being guilty of it...)
Now if you all honestly care so much about it to the extent you're analyzing my posts completely(I care about it and would like it reset, but I'm not over-caring about it...), then PM Meiun and tell him to do a mass reset of rep and posts. Or just have him scrap the whole system. Your move.
Quote from: Lucifer on November 05, 2009, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: ARTgames on November 04, 2009, 05:04:56 PM
Im saying if you don't like having the system at all don't take part in a topic about fixing it.
Mmmmhmm... Perfect logic right there... Obviously if I think a system is broken I should just ignore it completely. I feel like inserting a bush joke here or something...
Why should he care about the system's problems if he does not what to system to start with.
Think of it this way. You work in an office and some co-workers what to repaint the wall's.
repaint the wall's = the topic "About the new Karma System (it has arrived, so I am changing the subject)"
You don't want the wall painted at all.
Me in the "About the new Karma System (it has arrived, so I am changing the subject)" topic
They go ahead and paint the walls.
karma system we have now but in the state before this topic here.
Some one spots a problem and whats to pick a new color.
This topic here.
If you don't what the walls painted to start with and you already told them.....
Me on page 2 of this topic.
.....than why should you tend the the group that is picking the new color?
The meaning of the post your quoting.
Do you see now?
Quote from: Lucifer on November 05, 2009, 12:05:27 PM
Honestly I don't know why this topic is still up. Pwnage got what he wanted, now if ya'll would stop being jealous of eachother's post counts (Further proving my point earlier...) this topic would die naturally.
well i do kind of agree here. And i never thought of it but your right that this "rep system" is just something else for people to bicker over.
I know exactly what you're saying Art, but I don't dislike the wall because of its color, I dislike the wall because it's completely unnecessary. This wall was placed smack down in the middle of the office, and the only purpose it serves is to separate us. Theres plenty of other walls holding up the building, why not rip this one down to make more space? Why paint a wall that shouldn't be there? Seems like a waste of time and money to me.
Lmao Mystery, I thought Joel had 7 rep, your -rep put him at 1? Dx.
Quote from: Lucifer on November 05, 2009, 06:50:49 PM
Lmao Mystery, I thought Joel had 7 rep, your -rep put him at 1? Dx.
Note to self...by VERY nice to Mystery and 11clock.
Quote from: Lucifer on November 05, 2009, 06:50:49 PM
I know exactly what you're saying Art, but I don't dislike the wall because of its color, I dislike the wall because it's completely unnecessary. This wall was placed smack down in the middle of the office, and the only purpose it serves is to separate us. Theres plenty of other walls holding up the building, why not rip this one down to make more space? Why paint a wall that shouldn't be there? Seems like a waste of time and money to me.
I have a feeling we have a misunderstanding here. Because from what your telling me has little to do with what i was trying to say.
The the act of painting the wall a new color what suppose to be the same as putting a new karma system on the forums. So the wall is the forums and the karma system is the paint. (they don't share the relationship as does the karma system does to the forums but you get the idea)
So basically your saying you don't like the forums because its "completely unnecessary" if your playing by the rules of my metaphor. "but I don't dislike the wall because of its color, I dislike the wall because it's completely unnecessary." And so on.
But forget my metaphor. Its not the point of this topic to discuss it. I'm making it harder then it needs to be.
All i want to know is what is the wall in your metaphor? Just one noun is all i'm asking for.
QuoteLmao Mystery, I thought Joel had 7 rep, your -rep put him at 1? Dx.
I think a lot of people -reped him.
Yes, well, your metaphor was horrible and made no sense anyway.
If something doesn't work properly, the logical solution is to FIX THE PROBLEM. Not IGNORE it. If you don't care about the system in the first place, GET THE !@#$ OUT OF THE TOPIC DISCUSSING IT.
Honestly, I don't see how this is a difficult concept to grasp.
Seriously, why is this topic even going anymore? The problem was resolved. One could argue that Mystery and 11clock still have a ton of rep/posts, but what difference does it make? If it's that big a deal, just have Meiun reset the post count and rep. Anyone who has a problem with that is likely an idiot who puts far too much stock into post count and rep, and in that case, should be ignored ANYWAY.
Quote from: Chaos on November 05, 2009, 08:12:26 PM
If something doesn't work properly, the logical solution is to FIX THE PROBLEM. Not IGNORE it. If you don't care about the system in the first place, GET THE !@#$ OUT OF THE TOPIC DISCUSSING IT.
Thank you chaos! That's what I'm trying to say.
QuoteSeriously, why is this topic even going anymore? The problem was resolved. One could argue that Mystery and 11clock still have a ton of rep/posts, but what difference does it make? If it's that big a deal, just have Meiun reset the post count and rep. Anyone who has a problem with that is likely an idiot who puts far too much stock into post count and rep, and in that case, should be ignored ANYWAY.
I also agree. Bye
Quote from: Chaos on November 05, 2009, 08:12:26 PM
Yes, well, your metaphor was horrible and made no sense anyway.
If something doesn't work properly, the logical solution is to FIX THE PROBLEM. Not IGNORE it. If you don't care about the system in the first place, GET THE !@#$ OUT OF THE TOPIC DISCUSSING IT.
Honestly, I don't see how this is a difficult concept to grasp.
Seriously, why is this topic even going anymore? The problem was resolved. One could argue that Mystery and 11clock still have a ton of rep/posts, but what difference does it make? If it's that big a deal, just have Meiun reset the post count and rep. Anyone who has a problem with that is likely an idiot who puts far too much stock into post count and rep, and in that case, should be ignored ANYWAY.
My thoughts exactly. On that note, lets get some locks and chains on this...done.