yap in california they are enacting a transfat ban. frankly i would prefer if people would get a brain, eat a little healthier and exercise more then i would for the government taking away my freedom of choice, or hell instead of out right banning why not regulate the quantity, although i don't live in California :P
http://law.rightpundits.com/?p=1083
Quote from: venuse on January 02, 2010, 08:29:06 PM
yap in california they are enacting a transfat ban. frankly i would prefer if people would get a brain, eat a little healthier and exercise more then i would for the government taking away my freedom of choice, or hell instead of out right banning why not regulate the quantity, although i don't live in California :P
http://law.rightpundits.com/?p=1083
It prevents restaurants from using trans-fat to cook the food, not banning trans-fat altogether.
Quote from: venuse on January 02, 2010, 08:29:06 PM
yap in california they are enacting a transfat ban. frankly i would prefer if people would get a brain, eat a little healthier and exercise more then i would for the government taking away my freedom of choice, or hell instead of out right banning why not regulate the quantity, although i don't live in California :P
http://law.rightpundits.com/?p=1083
That's a dumb law. Don't take away the candy from everyone just because a fat kid or two can't stop stuffing himself. People have full ability to look at what foods have trans-fats in them and make intelligent choices regarding the consumption of that food. Laws like these undermine people's intelligence and independence.
It goes to show that humans are lazy. We need someone to step in and tell us to stop. Americans have lost the ability to think for themselves and would rather someone else dictate how they live, and what they eat. Personally, I don't care about them banning it. Sure, it's one less thing I'm going to consume against my will, but so is pot. Besides, think about it. How much are you paying a year into the government to feed someone's social security or welfare because they are too fat and unhealthy to work. It'll stop giving Americans a reason to get even fatter and lazier. Quite frankly, when that is the perception the rest of the world has of us (which it is), I'm all for this ban. Away with trans-fat. We can't kill people for being stupid, but we can at least ensure that they aren't going to play stupid to get money for doing nothing but stuffing their fat faces.
While we are at it, let's ban anal sex.
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on January 02, 2010, 10:08:32 PM
While we are at it, let's ban anal sex.
That's where I draw the line. Well... Actually... Sodomy is already considered a huge no-no. That's actually something that is in writing for the Marine Corps, that we could not partake in sodomy... Which I find funny that it would require it to be written down...
How does state laws work? I mean if a majority group of Californians said they don't want trans-fat and they ban it i don't see whats wrong with that. Isn't that democracy?
maybe i just don't really understand how these things work.
QuoteAmericans have lost the ability to think for themselves and would rather someone else dictate how they live, and what they eat.
Yet at the same time, these Americans(
Fattius Slobbius) claim to hate communism.
Quote from: Jackabomb on January 02, 2010, 10:39:11 PM
QuoteAmericans have lost the ability to think for themselves and would rather someone else dictate how they live, and what they eat.
Yet at the same time, these Americans(Fattius Slobbius) claim to hate communism.
I take that back, we would not RATHER (as in want someone else to make the decision for us), but we need someone to step up to the plate and take action.
I've been debating this for about an hour now with Jake. I'm taking the extreme conservative side, he's playing devil's advocate. We cannot even take care of ourselves anymore, we'd rather just suck up the money and not have to work. Everyone wants a free ride, and would rather PUT MORE EFFORT into trying to be lazy, then what it would require to just do the right thing. America is in for a wake-up, and I will laugh the next time I see some fat terd in the gas station throwing a shit fit because he can't buy his snickers bars anymore.
Jake said we need education and a bombardment of information showing people how to do it properly. My response is, that's what we've been doing. We've all had sex ed classes where we were taught safe-sex, America had to go through D.A.R.E. to prevent drug abuse, we all have all this information at our disposals, AA, substance abuse classes, weight watchers, all this information, all these people wanting to help, and we'd rather not take the effort required to improve our lives. We can't even take care of ourselves, how can we expect to take care of anything else!?! When is this method not enough? Should we consider taking more drastic actions when we are in an economic slump and are tight for money, when we should be second guessing who we just hand money out to for no reason other than them wanting to stuff their face? I think now is that time.
America needs a good pimp slap across the face right about now. Trans-fat can go. I will gladly wave off all those Europeans who call us fat and lazy out of jealousy. It'll never happen though, so keep it comin' Europe!
EDIT: Please don't get me wrong. Is this a sad state that we are in? Of course it is. I think it is sad that people cannot make the right decisions, thus resulting in having an authoritative figure having to step in and make them for us. It is sad that people cannot try to be healthy, that they'd rather be lazy and throw a temper tantrum when their welfare check isn't in the mailbox on time. People think proper education is the answer, and maybe it is. No one can deny that D.A.R.E. has had a substantial degree of success in teaching children not to abuse drugs. But alas, if we try harder, people will complain about that too. If we are forced into attending classes on how to be healthy, people will throw shit fits over the thought. Everyone just wants to be left alone to do their own thing, and don't want people stepping on their toes, yet what that translates to, is that some will take that as their free pass to do what they want, and reap the benefits of their wrong decisions. We will never find a resolution that doesn't split the country in approval/disapproval. This only proves that as Americans, we cannot make the right decisions in life, and are just plain stupid. This is why I hate people so much.
Quote from: Jackabomb on January 02, 2010, 10:39:11 PM
QuoteAmericans have lost the ability to think for themselves and would rather someone else dictate how they live, and what they eat.
Yet at the same time, these Americans(Fattius Slobbius) claim to hate communism.
We do hate communism. For all I know, most of the Soviet hated it too. It's just the people up high who are power greedy implementing Communist laws, and dumb voters voting "YES!" to everything. Communism makes everyone equal: Everyone starves and has no money, except for the people in charge (who are implementing the laws).
~Aqua
Reading scotty's post I'm seeing something very interesting. Scotty, I've heard words almost exactly identical before, and not from you: "Everyone just wants to be left alone to do their own thing". My Dad has said the exact same thing...about me a few years ago. What does this tell us? That America doesn't mature. They remain in a child mind-set even when they're full-fledged adults. That they aren't moving on. People should reap the benefits or pains of their actions. Why don't they?
Quote from: Jackabomb on January 02, 2010, 11:33:59 PM
People should reap the benefits or pains of their actions. Why don't they?
Because we've offered them a way to avoid the
pain, and replace it with
benefits.
And why in God's name did we do that?
Because our government feels the need to prevent anyone from ever failing. Case in point, the auto bailout. Those companies deserved to die, and should of. When the fat bastards of our country feel the need to gorge themselves, and then are too old and fat to do anything and start begging for their welfare, what should our government do?
Tell them: "Tough shit."
@Jackabomb and Aqua: I don't think you quite know what communism IS, so I would stop using the analogy.
Quote from: Jackabomb on January 02, 2010, 11:41:40 PM
And why in God's name did we do that?
We are a world where we want happiness, at whatever cost. We are willing to cheat the system to get what we want. We live our lives complaining about how we have it so bad, and thus tempted to do whatever necessary to get things our way. We can't accept responsibility for our own actions, and it's everybody else's fault but ours..
Quote from: Scotty on January 02, 2010, 10:22:12 PM
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on January 02, 2010, 10:08:32 PM
While we are at it, let's ban anal sex.
That's where I draw the line. Well... Actually... Sodomy is already considered a huge no-no. That's actually something that is in writing for the Marine Corps, that we could not partake in sodomy... Which I find funny that it would require it to be written down...
Because if it wasn't written down you would most likely be giving to somebody up the pooper right now...and the government can't punish you for it unless it was written down.
Also, just while we are on it...While I also hate the idea of sodomy, legislatively speaking, why would mutual sodomy be illegal? If it wasn't rape, just man and woman being all kinky and shit, why from a government standpoint would that not be allowed? (Especially because this is the United States government we are talking.)
Quote from: Scotty on January 02, 2010, 11:44:25 PM
We are a world where we want happiness, at whatever cost.
To be fair isnt that every ones objective. I cant think of any action other than being complty random that is not in favor of your happiness at some point.
Quote from: Scotty on January 02, 2010, 11:44:25 PM
Quote from: Jackabomb on January 02, 2010, 11:41:40 PM
And why in God's name did we do that?
We are willing to cheat the system to get what we want. We live our lives complaining about how we have it so bad, and thus tempted to do whatever necessary to get things our way. We can't accept responsibility for our own actions, and it's everybody else's fault but ours..
I look at it as group of people who don't want a commen thing and action upon it to get rid of it. And i dont see anything wrong with that. I'M NOT SURE! im not sure how stat law works1 <_<
We got are religion topic, are ufo topic, and now are political topic. I wonder ware a smoking/alcohol/drug topic is going to be made. :P
i didnt know it was just for restaurants guess i miss read it , thought it was for everyone in that area. frankly im saddened of what Americans are and are becoming. they are becoming arrogant, ignorant, selfish idiots who are so narrow minded that they cant see beyond their own view points, im not saying everyone. this mentality is leading them into to self destruction and harming their own system of laws based on nothing more then fears and greed. now it isnt the actual banning of trans fats that bothers me, it is the act of banning something in a country which is supposed to be about freedom but they are taking away freedoms, not just this particular topic but others as well. now if this was my country i would of probably put regulations on transfats or sodium, but then again that wouldnt be america. what truly worries me is about the future, they may just be banning trans fats, for restaurants at least, right now but what if that is just a stepping stone for something much greater in the future. as i see it right now i dont trust the way the government is directing things for our so called betterment but then again i dont trust human beings to begin with and i could just be paranoid. either way glad to hear all your opinions on this.
also i do live in america.
Hmm...Remind me never to join a forum full of cynicism again. America does need to make up its mind, though. If they want freedom, they ought to have it completely. If they want government control and regulation, do so, but you can't have both. If this doesn't change, we'll wind up like the people in Wally.
Quote from: venuse on January 03, 2010, 12:24:09 AM
i didnt know it was just for restaurants guess i miss read it , thought it was for everyone in that area. frankly im saddened of what Americans are and are becoming. they are becoming arrogant, ignorant, selfish idiots who are so narrow minded that they cant see beyond their own view points, im not saying everyone. this mentality is leading them into to self destruction and harming their own system of laws based on nothing more then fears and greed. now it isnt the actual banning of trans fats that bothers me, it is the act of banning something in a country which is supposed to be about freedom but they are taking away freedoms, not just this particular topic but others as well. now if this was my country i would of probably put regulations on transfats or sodium, but then again that wouldnt be america. what truly worries me is about the future, they may just be banning trans fats, for restaurants at least, right now but what if that is just a stepping stone for something much greater in the future. as i see it right now i dont trust the way the government is directing things for our so called betterment but then again i dont trust human beings to begin with and i could just be paranoid. either way glad to hear all your opinions on this.
also i do live in america.
See, that's the thing. We are free. We are free to pursue that which makes us happy. Now imagine yourself being fat, lazy, and don't want to work, but feel you are entitled to free money. Now read it again. You can never make everyone happy. Not even close to everyone. If banning trans-fat is the biggest of our current complaints (or at least up there in the list), I think we are doing perfectly normal. If you ban trans-fat, you are going to anger the fatties. If you enforce education, you are going to anger everyone who thinks they are fine without it. I'm surprised we even have a legal system that isn't being hated by Americans. We are free to pursue happiness. My happiness was infringed upon when I had some fat lard decide he didn't want to work anymore, and would rather the government take tax-payers dollars to just fuel his lard-ness. You see, we will never be able to pursue TRUE happiness. It comes at a price. Do I think banning trans-fat is going to solve the problem, no. It won't last anyways. We are still going to have people getting fat anyways. What I'd rather we do, as bold as it seems, is set up welfare offices where everyone who wants welfare or social security can come and register at the office. I can guarantee almost everyone of these individuals can perform some sort of work. This work will be jobs that are best left for those who can't work elsewhere. Answering phones, pushing buttons, monitoring cameras, etc.. etc.. They work there, they get their welfare. That way, we don't have to employ over-qualified individuals for those positions, and have a chance at providing a better job for them.
I'll leave this post with one of the most relevant phrases I can think of:
"Freedom isn't free"
(nor should money be)
I realize we're getting into a whole load of discussion about freedoms and America, but I have to question one thing. Is there anyone BOTHERED by the banning of trans-fats themselves? Not the loss of freedoms or any bollocks like that, but actually LOSING trans-fats? Yes, we have a lot of fatties in our country, but do they actually WANT to be fat? Is this something they are striving for or something?
Quote from: Chaos on January 03, 2010, 01:03:18 AM
I realize we're getting into a whole load of discussion about freedoms and America, but I have to question one thing. Is there anyone BOTHERED by the banning of trans-fats themselves? Not the loss of freedoms or any bollocks like that, but actually LOSING trans-fats? Yes, we have a lot of fatties in our country, but do they actually WANT to be fat? Is this something they are striving for or something?
I think everyone thus far isn't necessarily against trans-fat it, it's the thought that they are losing another "freedom" in life. The thought that, if we start here, where will it end. But I agree, I would like to hear if there is anyone who flat out wants trans-fat. Not the freedom of choice, but wants trans-fat.
You all realize that the trans fat doesn't taste any different than regular fat? It is just much cheaper to produce...and at the same time a lot less healthy. I'm pretty sure fat people aren't the pissed ones in this circumstance...it would be the store owners. Unless the fat people crave fats that will give them heart disease faster...
This warrants a whole 'nother post by me, but I just had a "what the f are we arguing for" moment...
Seriously... trans-fat does nothing healthy for you... And you are sad to see it go!? I would be ENTHRALLED to see trans-fat go... I could eat out without having to worry about getting as fat an ass... There's nothing about it that's good. At least with alcohol you get some sort of temporary fix that makes you feel good. Hell, ban cigarettes too. I'd be so relieved if you did, that way I actually have a legal reason to quit.
Seriously, what the hell are we arguing over right now? The fact that we are kicking one of the main causes in obesity? Do any of you want to be fatty fat fat fatties? Seriously!?!
Eat me for double posting, it'll be healthier than that Big-Mac your fat mouth is watering over right now.
EDIT: or leave it to Pwnage for sneaking in his post before I hit submit...
frankly i could care less about the trans fats, although if they did ban it for consumption would it be possible to use trans fats as a type of fuel, or fuel additive?
Quote from: venuse on January 03, 2010, 01:48:37 AM
frankly i could care less about the trans fats, although if they did ban it for consumption would it be possible to use trans fats as a type of fuel, or fuel additive?
Now you're thinking! Got patent it and make millions!
Quote from: Scotty on January 03, 2010, 01:57:36 AM
Quote from: venuse on January 03, 2010, 01:48:37 AM
frankly i could care less about the trans fats, although if they did ban it for consumption would it be possible to use trans fats as a type of fuel, or fuel additive?
Now you're thinking! Got patent it and make millions!
Help the earth live longer and me! sure. I like the idea! :D
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on January 03, 2010, 01:17:19 AM
You all realize that the trans fat doesn't taste any different than regular fat? It is just much cheaper to produce...and at the same time a lot less healthy. I'm pretty sure fat people aren't the pissed ones in this circumstance...it would be the store owners. Unless the fat people crave fats that will give them heart disease faster...
Agreed. I think the average consumer is probably happy (or indifferent) about this law. I doubt any of them are angry about it. It would be the restaurant owners who stand to lose. Though, I'm sure there are plenty average consumers who are mad about this simply based on premise, as this thread has shown. In either case, I think it is hard to stand on premise when there is clearly a crisis at hand. Obesity is a major problem, and a lot of those people need help. They aren't taking the matter into their own hands, or even if they are, they still need assistance to solve the problem. If any average person can go to any restaurant and know that they will not be getting any trans-fat, it will make losing weight that much easier to do. Anything will help, and restaurant owners losing out a bit of cash will be a small price to pay.