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This question is mainly focused on the younger generation, but if you are a grown man or woman, what did you want to be when you grew up? Is it different than what you are doing now?

I for one want to be many things when I grow up. Born and raised with video games, being in the MLG would be one of the most fun and rewarding activity for me. I'm currently trying to setup a team for Call of Duty 4 on Gamebattles, so I could be in the major leagues if I try my best. Another thing I would love, it is to be in the NBA. Basketball is fun, builds character and is great exercise. I got into basketball a long time ago when I played outside with my neighbors. Playing basketball at lunch everyday and trying out for the basketball team next week is a great way to get involved, plus, I am actually pretty good. Not to mention the high pay you get just for playing. Boxing is yet another thing I would like to do. Watching boxing on TV or movies always brought to my attention. I wanna do boxing because it's fun, great exercise, and it takes hard work and determination. Dodging has always came quite easy to me, and studying/watching boxing has given me a higher fighting understanding than others.

Now to be realistic about my future occupation, I can't really decide. I'm just going to have to wait and see, my mind might get some ideas.

I am hoping to be a game designer, or a aerospace/mechanical enigeer.

I also think it would be interesting to pursure a job in designing weapons or something like paintball guns. Hence the mechanical enigeering part of it. I also think it would be crazy to be a pro paintballer, or be in the NFL but those are both pretty much long shots, so I'll stick with the attainable goals.:P  I think it would also be cool to be a firefighter, or at least volunteer part time or something.  :P

I'm not too sure what I planned to be when I was younger, but around college I was thinking of being a math teacher, then I was looking at computer/IT related things. I'm now essentially an accountant... sort of. So no, I am not doing what I intended to do. As of now, what I would like to be doing is writing.

I am going to volunteer as a test subject in a psycological experiment - specifically, one testing the effects of receiving inordinate amounts of money without working upon the human mind.

Perhaps a professional game illustrator/designer. I'm working freelance now, and I recently was hired by HyperChild to work on a game for the Iphone/Itouch/Ipad. Pay is great. I'm also on a team called Fuseline and we've been developing an awesome game with many great co-workers. Pay is more than what I orginally expected, each offer is around $1,000 - $2,500 if you are amatuer, however professionals with education can expect to get $20,000 easily per project. I guess I'm well on my way, hopefully I can keep this up.

Call me silly if you wish, but I want to write and create Anime.  =3
I have several already in mind and have almost completely written one full one.  I just need to learn to draw better XD

Quote from: Delicious on April 08, 2010, 07:34:06 PM
... however professionals with education can expect to get $20,000 easily per project.....

Hey Delicious, we are friends right?  ;)

Currently pursuing an education in computer science/game design/artwork. Let's see where life takes me.

I have no idea what I thought I wanted to be when I was younger..  Now I'm basically the IT guy for a number of small businesses in my city.   :-\

I wanted to drink a lot of beer, boink girls, kill people, and piss off children!

IT'S A DREAM COME TRUE!

Quote from: Scotty on April 08, 2010, 10:02:23 PM
I wanted to drink a lot of beer, boink girls, kill people, and piss off children!

IT'S A DREAM COME TRUE!

Lmfao...Nice...

When I was younger I wanted to make games...Quickly realizing the much appreciation I had attained for sound when working with SFX for the games, which eventually lead to sound design...And now I produce music and am I musical engineer. And I guess since I'm a senior, I hope in the future for this to lead into more professional works...Just with more serious artists etc.

I don't really know. I know I could never do sports or stuff like that. I'm too lazy and weak. I'd thought about becoming a surgeon, but after a couple of videos in high school health class, I doubt I would have the stomach to last long in that line of work. I once wanted to be an astronaut, but I read a book which mentioned that all the original astronauts were all advanced fighter pilots. It also mentioned that the missions were rotated amongst the astronauts and there weren't that many. Bad enough back in those days when there were still less than 50 astronauts, but now? I came to the conclusion that even if I did become an astronaut, my chances of actually going into space were extremely small...

So, I don't know.
Any suggestions?

Quote from: Jackabomb on April 09, 2010, 12:36:23 AM
I don't really know. I know I could never do sports or stuff like that. I'm too lazy and weak. I'd thought about becoming a surgeon, but after a couple of videos in high school health class, I doubt I would have the stomach to last long in that line of work. I once wanted to be an astronaut, but I read a book which mentioned that all the original astronauts were all advanced fighter pilots. It also mentioned that the missions were rotated amongst the astronauts and there weren't that many. Bad enough back in those days when there were still less than 50 astronauts, but now? I came to the conclusion that even if I did become an astronaut, my chances of actually going into space were extremely small...

So, I don't know.
Any suggestions?

Come mow my lawn?

I'd like to teach math, design board/card games, and assist in programming small community driven games like Stick Online.


Oh lewk, tripples.

Quote from: igufed on April 08, 2010, 09:13:04 PM
I have no idea what I thought I wanted to be when I was younger..  Now I'm basically the IT guy for a number of small businesses in my city.   :-\

I wanna be an IT guy or a software/game developer or both.

i am striving for a nuclear or aerospace engineer as i took calc, was easy, and loved physics when i took that as well. right now though, i work in the meat department of my neighborhood grocery store. it will give me many life lessons that i will carry with me though.

i dont really know what i want to be, most of the time when i think about being something of importance i just lack the interest to pursue it.

Like many of the rest I want to do something with video games. I much prefer graphics since I can't code worth crap.

When I was growing up, my dream was to become a superhero.

Now that I'm a grown man, I know that it's not possible to be super, I can choose between being myself, or drowning in a sea of despair.
I choose to be myself, and to believe in myself.

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 10, 2010, 04:40:57 AM
I know that it's not possible to be super

Why not dedicate your life to discover a way to do this?

Quote from: Pat on April 10, 2010, 05:10:23 AM

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 10, 2010, 04:40:57 AM
I know that it's not possible to be super

Why not dedicate your life to discover a way to do this?

I had already considered that.
But upon my increasing understanding of humanity, I have concluded that it will accomplish nothing.
Power can go both ways, if I did become super, somebody would have to oppose me in the same way.
Not to mention, superpowers are far too tempting for human beings to manage individually, imagine if you had the ability to become invisible, surely you could get away with just about anything right? And with little to no consequences too.
Power is a very dangerous thing, it is greater than a single human being.

Ah when I was little I dreamt of being a super hero and my cousin would be my side-kick. We even drew up what our costumes would look like and went as far as to make masks and costumes out of paper and tape it together and stick it on ourselves. We tried our best to gain these powers by focusing our minds on objects and trying to move them but it would last a good hour and we would then try and do it again next time he or I came over. It's pretty funny, though at the time we were only like 6 years old and didn't know any better.

I had originally striven to be a software/game designer and coder, but somewhere along the line(in recent years) I chose to possibly do that on the side if I could and pursue engineering instead. Art was another choice, but that quickly became one of many hobbies.

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 10, 2010, 05:18:46 AM

Quote from: Pat on April 10, 2010, 05:10:23 AM

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 10, 2010, 04:40:57 AM
I know that it's not possible to be super

Why not dedicate your life to discover a way to do this?

I had already considered that.
But upon my increasing understanding of humanity, I have concluded that it will accomplish nothing.
Power can go both ways, if I did become super, somebody would have to oppose me in the same way.
Not to mention, superpowers are far too tempting for human beings to manage individually, imagine if you had the ability to become invisible, surely you could get away with just about anything right? And with little to no consequences too.

Invisibility isn't the strongest power I could think of. It has limits, such as the fact that infrared scanners could easily pick you up, and you can easily be heard if you aren't careful.. Besides, that could become a possibility in the future. Look at this.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2002/03/14/army-uniform.htm

It's nowhere near done, but like they said in the article, it's "not science fiction".

Quote from: Mystery on April 10, 2010, 05:19:04 PM
I had originally striven to be a software/game designer and coder, but somewhere along the line(in recent years) I chose to possibly do that on the side if I could and pursue engineering instead. Art was another choice, but that quickly became one of many hobbies.

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 10, 2010, 05:18:46 AM

Quote from: Pat on April 10, 2010, 05:10:23 AM

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 10, 2010, 04:40:57 AM
I know that it's not possible to be super

Why not dedicate your life to discover a way to do this?

I had already considered that.
But upon my increasing understanding of humanity, I have concluded that it will accomplish nothing.
Power can go both ways, if I did become super, somebody would have to oppose me in the same way.
Not to mention, superpowers are far too tempting for human beings to manage individually, imagine if you had the ability to become invisible, surely you could get away with just about anything right? And with little to no consequences too.

Invisibility isn't the strongest power I could think of. It has limits, such as the fact that infrared scanners could easily pick you up, and you can easily be heard if you aren't careful.. Besides, that could become a possibility in the future. Look at this.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2002/03/14/army-uniform.htm

It's nowhere near done, but like they said in the article, it's "not science fiction".

I already know all about that stuff.
But still, you seem to be missing the point entirely.

Quote from: Delicious on April 10, 2010, 04:05:33 PM
We tried our best to gain these powers by focusing our minds on objects and trying to move them

I would spend about 3 hours a day doing that, by myself, sitting in my pantry/closet. I did that every day between the ages of 6 and 12.
Interestingly enough, I did find some results in doing that, they weren't useful in any way though...
All I can say is, Telekinesis is difficult for a young hyperactive boy to perform, especially if he's trying to invent it instead of using popular methods. lol

I've realized, as well as many others who would tell you the same thing.  Do what you are good at.  Not necessarily what you want to do, but what you are good at.  Case in point, me.  I love web development and design.  I've gone to great lengths to try and become the best that I can within that field, and realized that I love to do it.  I then realized my blind ambition when I actually got a job doing it for a consulting company.  Now I don't have the ambition to do it in my off time.  I have numerous ideas and such floating through my head for what would make some fantastic web applications, but I just don't have the motivation to do it after I get home from work, where I'm busting my ass doing it all day long.  Granted my job often consists of weeding out bugs and problems that aren't even related to the web application, as we are dealing with a customer base in the hundreds of thousands.  So I come home stressed out, pissed off that I can't find the problems, and no one else can either, so I don't even want to think about building a web application.

Then again, the other thing that I realized, at least for me, is that once I get past that initial hump, everything is downhill from there.  If I can accomplish that first bit, everything falls into place, I just need to get the motivation to get started.

So long story short, if you value what you are good at, and enjoy doing it, keep it as a hobby, and don't do it for a living.

Also, realize that while you do enjoy gaming, and you would LOVE to be a programmer or game designer, it's unrealistic. Do you realize the influx of people that go to school to become that now of days? There are simply to many people trying to get into the market, and nowhere near as many jobs available. Yes, we all have a dream job, but is wasting four years of school for an education you can never get a job in worth it?

Quote from: Seifer on April 10, 2010, 08:43:08 PM
Also, realize that while you do enjoy gaming, and you would LOVE to be a programmer or game designer, it's unrealistic. Do you realize the influx of people that go to school to become that now of days? There are simply to many people trying to get into the market, and nowhere near as many jobs available. Yes, we all have a dream job, but is wasting four years of school for an education you can never get a job in worth it?

Exactly.
Which is why I immediately brushed off the idea of such a career.
I prefer manual labor anyway.

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 10, 2010, 08:19:37 PM


I already know all about that stuff.
But still, you seem to be missing the point entirely.

I actually did get it, I just regarded the 'superpower' part in a more scientific manner. Yeah, few people would use superpowers wisely.

Quote from: HamsterPants
I would spend about 3 hours a day doing that, by myself, sitting in my pantry/closet. I did that every day between the ages of 6 and 12.
Interestingly enough, I did find some results in doing that, they weren't useful in any way though...
All I can say is, Telekinesis is difficult for a young hyperactive boy to perform, especially if he's trying to invent it instead of using popular methods. lol

The only thing I could ever remotely prove from my own experiences(and others) relating to telekinesis/ESP would be moderately short visions of precognition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precognition

Although when I wake up, I have no memory of the future event until it actually happens, so I can't stop it or even mentally process it...

Quote from: Seifer on April 10, 2010, 08:43:08 PM
Also, realize that while you do enjoy gaming, and you would LOVE to be a programmer or game designer, it's unrealistic. Do you realize the influx of people that go to school to become that now of days? There are simply to many people trying to get into the market, and nowhere near as many jobs available. Yes, we all have a dream job, but is wasting four years of school for an education you can never get a job in worth it?

That is true for alot of jobs. Another thing you have to consider is that being a game designer and/or programmer is VERY different than just having a grand ol' time writing up games. It's very frustrating work, with very long hours and deadlines that you'll spend nights trying to meet. Its not a job for just anyone who likes games...

...that said, I'm not going to give up my ambitions because its hard to get into the job. If I'm not suited for it, so be it, but until then I'm going to try and increase my knowledge in the area. And hey, whats wrong with starting your own studios? :D

Quote from: Mystery on April 10, 2010, 10:03:34 PM
Although when I wake up, I have no memory of the future event until it actually happens, so I can't stop it or even mentally process it...

The same happens to me too! But that's a discussion for another topic.

As for me, I really don't know what I want to be at this point. I don't really have any plans in motion right now. A few things I've thought about are graphic designing, and game programming (I've frequently made promises to myself to start learning GML, but I've never actually did it).

I'd love to do Graphic Design or photography... but there's so many people wanting to do those jobs, and not enough jobs for them :/
I've recently been thinking about going into cosmetology, probably a hair stylist...
But... I'm still very unsure.. >_<

scotty described a good reason why i dont become a professional graphics designer or what ever you call it, and that is simple i would probably get sick of it and would loose my entire interest in it. so that is why i do it as a hobby and not a profession :P one thought i had was to be a, i think it is called, herbalist. like the people over in Asian countries that prescribe natural herbal remedies and dried animal parts instead of pills and all that stuff. however ive never seen a school that teaches that stuff here in Oklahoma and i dont think many people would buy it not to mention i dont really know of anyplace that sells stuff like that except maybe Atkins stores.

Quote from: DarkTrinity on April 11, 2010, 09:55:49 AM
I'd love to do Graphic Design or photography... but there's so many people wanting to do those jobs, and not enough jobs for them :/
I've recently been thinking about going into cosmetology, probably a hair stylist...
But... I'm still very unsure.. >_<

It depends on what type of graphic design you are looking for.  Do you want to do image editing, web design, screen printing?  Graphic Design covers a wide range of sub-categories.  Being from the web-related line of work, I know that there is somewhat of a demand for web design, especially down here where I am.  My company came to me two days ago asking if I could help them find web designers and would pay in the upwards of 100k/year if they met the criteria.  There is a demand, you just have to keep an open mind to relocation.

I'm interested in becoming either a day trader, an investment banker, or an economist.  I seem to have an aptitude for it, and I also enjoy it.

Quote from: Scotty on April 11, 2010, 12:35:29 PM

Quote from: DarkTrinity on April 11, 2010, 09:55:49 AM
I'd love to do Graphic Design or photography... but there's so many people wanting to do those jobs, and not enough jobs for them :/
I've recently been thinking about going into cosmetology, probably a hair stylist...
But... I'm still very unsure.. >_<

It depends on what type of graphic design you are looking for.  Do you want to do image editing, web design, screen printing?  Graphic Design covers a wide range of sub-categories.  Being from the web-related line of work, I know that there is somewhat of a demand for web design, especially down here where I am.  My company came to me two days ago asking if I could help them find web designers and would pay in the upwards of 100k/year if they met the criteria.  There is a demand, you just have to keep an open mind to relocation.

Well, I've thought about doing web design, I'm taking a class on it right now... I just don't know if I could do it for a job... Granted I'd have to go more in depth than this class does, I'm sure, so I can't really say if I'd wanna do it until I learned more

I want to be a pharmacist. The only legal way to peddle drugs :)

Quote from: DarkTrinity on April 11, 2010, 01:51:22 PM

Quote from: Scotty on April 11, 2010, 12:35:29 PM

Quote from: DarkTrinity on April 11, 2010, 09:55:49 AM
I'd love to do Graphic Design or photography... but there's so many people wanting to do those jobs, and not enough jobs for them :/
I've recently been thinking about going into cosmetology, probably a hair stylist...
But... I'm still very unsure.. >_<

It depends on what type of graphic design you are looking for.  Do you want to do image editing, web design, screen printing?  Graphic Design covers a wide range of sub-categories.  Being from the web-related line of work, I know that there is somewhat of a demand for web design, especially down here where I am.  My company came to me two days ago asking if I could help them find web designers and would pay in the upwards of 100k/year if they met the criteria.  There is a demand, you just have to keep an open mind to relocation.

Well, I've thought about doing web design, I'm taking a class on it right now... I just don't know if I could do it for a job... Granted I'd have to go more in depth than this class does, I'm sure, so I can't really say if I'd wanna do it until I learned more

Assuming this class is covering just the basics, make an effort to learn Flash.  Everyone loves flash on websites now a days.

I plan to leech off my parents and never move out because !@#$ it.

But if they FORCED me outta the house, I guess I'd become a teacher. I've always wanted to have an authoritative power over those pathetic fools who think dropping out of school can still promise them a future.

Quote from: Snakeman on April 11, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
I plan to leech off my parents and never move out because !@#$ it.

But if they FORCED me outta the house, I guess I'd become a teacher. I've always wanted to have an authoritative power over those pathetic fools who think dropping out of school can still promise them a future.

That seems rather hypocritical.

Quote from: NotoriousM4^ on April 11, 2010, 05:03:44 PM

Quote from: Snakeman on April 11, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
I plan to leech off my parents and never move out because !@#$ it.

But if they FORCED me outta the house, I guess I'd become a teacher. I've always wanted to have an authoritative power over those pathetic fools who think dropping out of school can still promise them a future.

That seems rather hypocritical.

I'm getting a 3.90 GPA and am pretty much succeeding over a good 90% of my whole entire school. And by "pathetic fools" I'm talking about those who expect to still have everything handed to them despite the fact they skip class, bitch and whine about how "the system sux", and all this other bullshit. There's even this one guy who was running about school with a goddamn house arrest ankle bracelet on and there were like 7 girls all wanting to suck his dick.

I, however, aren't like that. Hypocritical, yes. Only somewhat. I at least don't get in trouble with the law for the sole reason to "look badass". !@#$ing pathetic. Really hope he goes to prison and ends up being somebody's bitch. He's such a scrawny little punk; he'll never be able to defend himself in there. Hahaha.

Regardless, I want to try to prevent future generations from sinking as low as mine has.

Quote from: Snakeman on April 11, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
I plan to leech off my parents and never move out because !@#$ it.

You do realize that everything you do has an impact on the people around you?
Most people find that question to be offensive, probably because they don't want to feel guilty about anything...

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 11, 2010, 05:25:11 PM

Quote from: Snakeman on April 11, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
I plan to leech off my parents and never move out because !@#$ it.

You do realize that everything you do has an impact on the people around you?
Most people find that question to be offensive, probably because they don't want to feel guilty about anything...

Of course I know that it does. I'm a depressive person. If you know me you feel sorry for me, etc. I don't really mind though. Negativity has been my life so I've grown to accept it and act positively upon it.

If anything, I'm the guy who exists just to show you why you should try hard in your studies and occupation, so you don't end up like me, haha.

Quote from: Scotty on April 11, 2010, 02:06:51 PM

Quote from: DarkTrinity on April 11, 2010, 01:51:22 PM

Quote from: Scotty on April 11, 2010, 12:35:29 PM

Quote from: DarkTrinity on April 11, 2010, 09:55:49 AM
I'd love to do Graphic Design or photography... but there's so many people wanting to do those jobs, and not enough jobs for them :/
I've recently been thinking about going into cosmetology, probably a hair stylist...
But... I'm still very unsure.. >_<

It depends on what type of graphic design you are looking for.  Do you want to do image editing, web design, screen printing?  Graphic Design covers a wide range of sub-categories.  Being from the web-related line of work, I know that there is somewhat of a demand for web design, especially down here where I am.  My company came to me two days ago asking if I could help them find web designers and would pay in the upwards of 100k/year if they met the criteria.  There is a demand, you just have to keep an open mind to relocation.

Well, I've thought about doing web design, I'm taking a class on it right now... I just don't know if I could do it for a job... Granted I'd have to go more in depth than this class does, I'm sure, so I can't really say if I'd wanna do it until I learned more

Assuming this class is covering just the basics, make an effort to learn Flash.  Everyone loves flash on websites now a days.

You assume right, not that I expect them to go in depth at a community college >_>
We're learning html :x

Quote from: Snakeman on April 11, 2010, 05:50:49 PM

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 11, 2010, 05:25:11 PM

Quote from: Snakeman on April 11, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
I plan to leech off my parents and never move out because !@#$ it.

You do realize that everything you do has an impact on the people around you?
Most people find that question to be offensive, probably because they don't want to feel guilty about anything...

Of course I know that it does. I'm a depressive person. If you know me you feel sorry for me, etc. I don't really mind though. Negativity has been my life so I've grown to accept it and act positively upon it.

If anything, I'm the guy who exists just to show you why you should try hard in your studies and occupation, so you don't end up like me, haha.

Well, I can see that, but you should be more hopeful for change.
Because you will change as you live your life, that is absolutely inevitable, for better or for worse, that only depends on what you choose to do, and I'm not gonna sit here and get all preachy, but you're not just some stagnant rock. y'know?

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 11, 2010, 08:57:26 PM

Quote from: Snakeman on April 11, 2010, 05:50:49 PM

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 11, 2010, 05:25:11 PM

Quote from: Snakeman on April 11, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
I plan to leech off my parents and never move out because !@#$ it.

You do realize that everything you do has an impact on the people around you?
Most people find that question to be offensive, probably because they don't want to feel guilty about anything...

Of course I know that it does. I'm a depressive person. If you know me you feel sorry for me, etc. I don't really mind though. Negativity has been my life so I've grown to accept it and act positively upon it.

If anything, I'm the guy who exists just to show you why you should try hard in your studies and occupation, so you don't end up like me, haha.

Well, I can see that, but you should be more hopeful for change.
Because you will change as you live your life, that is absolutely inevitable, for better or for worse, that only depends on what you choose to do, and I'm not gonna sit here and get all preachy, but you're not just some stagnant rock. y'know?

For once, HamsterPants has said something I can personally agree with

Quote from: Seifer on April 10, 2010, 08:43:08 PM
Also, realize that while you do enjoy gaming, and you would LOVE to be a programmer or game designer, it's unrealistic. Do you realize the influx of people that go to school to become that now of days? There are simply to many people trying to get into the market, and nowhere near as many jobs available. Yes, we all have a dream job, but is wasting four years of school for an education you can never get a job in worth it?

I don't know about the gaming industry specifically. But just in terms of jobs as a programmer in general there actually has been quite a high demand (at least in terms of people who have an actual degree for it, such as Computer Science majors). Up until a decade or two ago all the people doing stuff like that had degrees in stuff like engineering, etc. with little to no formal training to be a programmer. This is still somewhat of a common trend from what I understand, as I am pretty certain not enough people actually go through with getting a degree in Computer Science nowadays. There are plenty of people who get degrees in things such as Information Technology and other computer related fields, but those arnt typically as good. Just google "top paying degrees" and you will see that having a degree in Computer Science (which is as much about computer programming and the related matters that you can get), and you will see that it ranks in at the #4 highest paying (bachelors) degree you can have on average.

The biggest thing I've noticed is experience, especially in the IT field.  People want experience.  If you have a Masters Degree in Computer Science, and are certified in every system under the sun, it doesn't mean jack squat if you don't have the experience.  Sure, having the degree helps, but it alone won't get you the high paying jobs if you don't have time on the books doing the job.

Quote from: Scotty on April 12, 2010, 04:17:57 PM
The biggest thing I've noticed is experience, especially in the IT field.  People want experience.  If you have a Masters Degree in Computer Science, and are certified in every system under the sun, it doesn't mean jack squat if you don't have the experience.  Sure, having the degree helps, but it alone won't get you the high paying jobs if you don't have time on the books doing the job.

To some extent I'm sure (also depending on the job itself too of course). However, you really can't talk about CS and IT interchangeably for stuff like this in most cases, as there really is a pretty big difference when it comes to this sort of situation.

I was just making a rather general statement with regards to anything information technology (if it's CS related, CE, EE, anything).

Quote from: Scotty on April 12, 2010, 04:51:51 PM
I was just making a rather general statement with regards to anything information technology (if it's CS related, CE, EE, anything).

Actually, what you said applies to almost every job there is in any industry... besides entry level. Someone with experience (with the minimum requirements of education for the job) will be picked over someone with credentials if the person with credentials has no experience. And there are just some jobs that just will not hire you unless you have a certain amount of experience. There's someone else out there applying for the job who has the same schooling you do with the experience, so they aren't going to settle.

In general, unless you have some kind of in, some sort of high recommendation from someone who knows someone in the company, or you have somehow proven your skill (such as having successfully designed and produced a game independently that became somewhat popular and caught the eye of a developer), you are going to have to work your way up to a certain extent.

Quote from: Lingus on April 13, 2010, 01:27:57 PM

Quote from: Scotty on April 12, 2010, 04:51:51 PM
I was just making a rather general statement with regards to anything information technology (if it's CS related, CE, EE, anything).

Actually, what you said applies to almost every job there is in any industry... besides entry level. Someone with experience (with the minimum requirements of education for the job) will be picked over someone with credentials if the person with credentials has no experience. And there are just some jobs that just will not hire you unless you have a certain amount of experience. There's someone else out there applying for the job who has the same schooling you do with the experience, so they aren't going to settle.

In general, unless you have some kind of in, some sort of high recommendation from someone who knows someone in the company, or you have somehow proven your skill (such as having successfully designed and produced a game independently that became somewhat popular and caught the eye of a developer), you are going to have to work your way up to a certain extent.

Which then begs the question, where does one start?  Typically recruiters look for credible experience.  So lets say we go the amateur game developer route.  Someone who has developed his own games, that's not really... Credible as much as working at an office with history.  It's no different than when I would sit through tele-conference interviews, and we'd ask a man how much Java EE experience he had.  His response went something along the lines of "Well... Uhh... There were a couple of weekends in college where I..."  And he was ex'd off the list.  The thing is, especially with a lot of these enterprise level programming platforms, where can a sole user be exposed to these sorts of experience without getting the job.  It would have to be through cheaply compensating internships, or low paying jobs, slowly coming up through the chain to eventually making half-way decent cash. 

Many employers look to specifically employ fresh graduates where they can pay them less. That is where you start.

Quote from: Seifer on April 13, 2010, 04:04:00 PM
Many employers look to specifically employ fresh graduates where they can pay them less. That is where you start.

Ah.  Very true!

Only a few days ago I got a job at the local Subway. It pays minimum wage of course, but it is good experience for me (being my first official job). I am also currently trying to get in shape to join the Navy/Airforce and see where my life goes from there. I would really love to be a pilot... And another plus would be to get a college education with help from the military. You really just gotta strive for what you want to do, no matter how impossible it may seem to you.

I've had a job in the restaurant business ever since I first turned 16. However, I do not plan on making a living out of that. I want to go to college and major in biomedical engineering, along with minoring in computer sciences. The reason I plan on doing that is because all my life I've wanted to be a veterinarian, and the chances of getting into veterinarian school are becoming slimmer and slimmer. I took a class called 'Engineering Physics', and from that class I learned that with a degree in biomedical engineering, my chances of being accepted into a veterinarian school increase greatly. And if, for some reason, none of this works out for me, I want to start my own recording studio and have my own record label. I've always loved music, and I have a good ear for talented musicians.

I want to draw manga XD.

Quote from: stick d00d on April 13, 2010, 06:21:15 PM
Only a few days ago I got a job at the local Subway. It pays minimum wage of course, but it is good experience for me (being my first official job). I am also currently trying to get in shape to join the Navy/Airforce and see where my life goes from there. I would really love to be a pilot... And another plus would be to get a college education with help from the military. You really just gotta strive for what you want to do, no matter how impossible it may seem to you.

Don't think joining the military is going to magically solve your problems/boost and you up the workforce ladder. I've seen way too many of my friends get sucked into it believing this and end up entering a downward spiral.

Quote from: NotoriousM4^ on April 14, 2010, 02:31:40 AM

Quote from: stick d00d on April 13, 2010, 06:21:15 PM
Only a few days ago I got a job at the local Subway. It pays minimum wage of course, but it is good experience for me (being my first official job). I am also currently trying to get in shape to join the Navy/Airforce and see where my life goes from there. I would really love to be a pilot... And another plus would be to get a college education with help from the military. You really just gotta strive for what you want to do, no matter how impossible it may seem to you.

Don't think joining the military is going to magically solve your problems/boost and you up the workforce ladder. I've seen way too many of my friends get sucked into it believing this and end up entering a downward spiral.

Example: Guy joins army gets stationed in the middle of no where.

Quote from: NotoriousM4^ on April 14, 2010, 02:31:40 AM

Quote from: stick d00d on April 13, 2010, 06:21:15 PM
Only a few days ago I got a job at the local Subway. It pays minimum wage of course, but it is good experience for me (being my first official job). I am also currently trying to get in shape to join the Navy/Airforce and see where my life goes from there. I would really love to be a pilot... And another plus would be to get a college education with help from the military. You really just gotta strive for what you want to do, no matter how impossible it may seem to you.

Don't think joining the military is going to magically solve your problems/boost and you up the workforce ladder. I've seen way too many of my friends get sucked into it believing this and end up entering a downward spiral.

I also know a guy who entered the military, made the most out of the 5 and a half years in, voluntarily did more than most others would do in even 10 years, got out, and got a decent paying job that pays 3x as much as what the gov't. would pay him.

Quote from: Scotty on April 14, 2010, 07:06:11 AM

Quote from: NotoriousM4^ on April 14, 2010, 02:31:40 AM

Quote from: stick d00d on April 13, 2010, 06:21:15 PM
Only a few days ago I got a job at the local Subway. It pays minimum wage of course, but it is good experience for me (being my first official job). I am also currently trying to get in shape to join the Navy/Airforce and see where my life goes from there. I would really love to be a pilot... And another plus would be to get a college education with help from the military. You really just gotta strive for what you want to do, no matter how impossible it may seem to you.

Don't think joining the military is going to magically solve your problems/boost and you up the workforce ladder. I've seen way too many of my friends get sucked into it believing this and end up entering a downward spiral.

I also know a guy who entered the military, made the most out of the 5 and a half years in, voluntarily did more than most others would do in even 10 years, got out, and got a decent paying job that pays 3x as much as what the gov't. would pay him.

Where was he stationed?

Quote from: xgamer on April 14, 2010, 07:21:01 AM

Quote from: Scotty on April 14, 2010, 07:06:11 AM

Quote from: NotoriousM4^ on April 14, 2010, 02:31:40 AM

Quote from: stick d00d on April 13, 2010, 06:21:15 PM
Only a few days ago I got a job at the local Subway. It pays minimum wage of course, but it is good experience for me (being my first official job). I am also currently trying to get in shape to join the Navy/Airforce and see where my life goes from there. I would really love to be a pilot... And another plus would be to get a college education with help from the military. You really just gotta strive for what you want to do, no matter how impossible it may seem to you.

Don't think joining the military is going to magically solve your problems/boost and you up the workforce ladder. I've seen way too many of my friends get sucked into it believing this and end up entering a downward spiral.

I also know a guy who entered the military, made the most out of the 5 and a half years in, voluntarily did more than most others would do in even 10 years, got out, and got a decent paying job that pays 3x as much as what the gov't. would pay him.

Where was he stationed?

Camp Pendleton, CA.

Although I should clarify that this person worked his butt off, and it luckily paid off in the end.  Sure you could slack off for your enlistment, and leave with nothing more than a card saying you did it, but if you can go through the military, get your education (either as enlisted, or commissioned, which will pay for your college), and get the years experience, you have a SOLID resume.

Quote from: Scotty on April 14, 2010, 08:30:39 AM

Quote from: xgamer on April 14, 2010, 07:21:01 AM

Quote from: Scotty on April 14, 2010, 07:06:11 AM

Quote from: NotoriousM4^ on April 14, 2010, 02:31:40 AM

Quote from: stick d00d on April 13, 2010, 06:21:15 PM
Only a few days ago I got a job at the local Subway. It pays minimum wage of course, but it is good experience for me (being my first official job). I am also currently trying to get in shape to join the Navy/Airforce and see where my life goes from there. I would really love to be a pilot... And another plus would be to get a college education with help from the military. You really just gotta strive for what you want to do, no matter how impossible it may seem to you.

Don't think joining the military is going to magically solve your problems/boost and you up the workforce ladder. I've seen way too many of my friends get sucked into it believing this and end up entering a downward spiral.

I also know a guy who entered the military, made the most out of the 5 and a half years in, voluntarily did more than most others would do in even 10 years, got out, and got a decent paying job that pays 3x as much as what the gov't. would pay him.

Where was he stationed?

Camp Pendleton, CA.

Although I should clarify that this person worked his butt off, and it luckily paid off in the end.  Sure you could slack off for your enlistment, and leave with nothing more than a card saying you did it, but if you can go through the military, get your education (either as enlisted, or commissioned, which will pay for your college), and get the years experience, you have a SOLID resume.

Scotty, I'm not trying to bash joining the military in any kind of way, I am actually considering joining the Med Corps myself. I'm just saying when you go in, make sure you have the right mindset, and you fully understand what you are getting yourself into. Sometimes it just isn't enough to want to "have an experience".

Quote from: NotoriousM4^ on April 14, 2010, 12:20:38 PM

Quote from: Scotty on April 14, 2010, 08:30:39 AM

Quote from: xgamer on April 14, 2010, 07:21:01 AM

Quote from: Scotty on April 14, 2010, 07:06:11 AM

Quote from: NotoriousM4^ on April 14, 2010, 02:31:40 AM

Quote from: stick d00d on April 13, 2010, 06:21:15 PM
Only a few days ago I got a job at the local Subway. It pays minimum wage of course, but it is good experience for me (being my first official job). I am also currently trying to get in shape to join the Navy/Airforce and see where my life goes from there. I would really love to be a pilot... And another plus would be to get a college education with help from the military. You really just gotta strive for what you want to do, no matter how impossible it may seem to you.

Don't think joining the military is going to magically solve your problems/boost and you up the workforce ladder. I've seen way too many of my friends get sucked into it believing this and end up entering a downward spiral.

I also know a guy who entered the military, made the most out of the 5 and a half years in, voluntarily did more than most others would do in even 10 years, got out, and got a decent paying job that pays 3x as much as what the gov't. would pay him.

Where was he stationed?

Camp Pendleton, CA.

Although I should clarify that this person worked his butt off, and it luckily paid off in the end.  Sure you could slack off for your enlistment, and leave with nothing more than a card saying you did it, but if you can go through the military, get your education (either as enlisted, or commissioned, which will pay for your college), and get the years experience, you have a SOLID resume.

Scotty, I'm not trying to bash joining the military in any kind of way, I am actually considering joining the Med Corps myself. I'm just saying when you go in, make sure you have the right mindset, and you fully understand what you are getting yourself into. Sometimes it just isn't enough to want to "have an experience".

I wasn't insinuating that you were bashing it.  There's potential for anyone.  Although I will say that while it is nice to be well informed before joining, there is absolutely no way to "fully understand" what it is you are getting yourself into.  You might think you know, but you really don't.  It takes actually being "there" and doing "it" to fully grasp that you have in fact signed your life away.  That's why the few veterans that have truly been "there" and experienced "it" have nothing but respect for those who bravely follow in their foot steps.

Quote from: stick d00d on April 13, 2010, 06:21:15 PM
Only a few days ago I got a job at the local Subway. It pays minimum wage of course, but it is good experience for me (being my first official job). I am also currently trying to get in shape to join the Navy/Airforce and see where my life goes from there. I would really love to be a pilot... And another plus would be to get a college education with help from the military. You really just gotta strive for what you want to do, no matter how impossible it may seem to you.

Maybe this song will help inspire you to become a pilot for the military.
It almost did so for me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU9mlIHT9JI

My father was in the military. Not the American military but Honduras's. You get quite a different perspective of the military from a 3ed world nation that lived close to the us.

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 14, 2010, 06:13:26 PM

Quote from: stick d00d on April 13, 2010, 06:21:15 PM
Only a few days ago I got a job at the local Subway. It pays minimum wage of course, but it is good experience for me (being my first official job). I am also currently trying to get in shape to join the Navy/Airforce and see where my life goes from there. I would really love to be a pilot... And another plus would be to get a college education with help from the military. You really just gotta strive for what you want to do, no matter how impossible it may seem to you.

Maybe this song will help inspire you to become a pilot for the military.
It almost did so for me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU9mlIHT9JI

I was about to reach through the monitor and punch you in the face the minute I click that link and hear Kenny Loggins.  Alas, I am relieved, thank you.

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 14, 2010, 06:13:26 PM

Quote from: stick d00d on April 13, 2010, 06:21:15 PM
Only a few days ago I got a job at the local Subway. It pays minimum wage of course, but it is good experience for me (being my first official job). I am also currently trying to get in shape to join the Navy/Airforce and see where my life goes from there. I would really love to be a pilot... And another plus would be to get a college education with help from the military. You really just gotta strive for what you want to do, no matter how impossible it may seem to you.

Maybe this song will help inspire you to become a pilot for the military.
It almost did so for me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU9mlIHT9JI

My uncle is a former bomber pilot for the airforce. This song inspired him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1a_ikfUico

My uncle was so good with targeting though that he actually dropped a bomb directly through the window a of a school bus. (In a test, he didn't bomb children...it was a skill drill...VACANT school bus)

Quote from: Mr Pwnage on April 14, 2010, 09:13:06 PM

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 14, 2010, 06:13:26 PM

Quote from: stick d00d on April 13, 2010, 06:21:15 PM
Only a few days ago I got a job at the local Subway. It pays minimum wage of course, but it is good experience for me (being my first official job). I am also currently trying to get in shape to join the Navy/Airforce and see where my life goes from there. I would really love to be a pilot... And another plus would be to get a college education with help from the military. You really just gotta strive for what you want to do, no matter how impossible it may seem to you.

Maybe this song will help inspire you to become a pilot for the military.
It almost did so for me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU9mlIHT9JI

My uncle is a former bomber pilot for the airforce. This song inspired him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1a_ikfUico

My uncle was so good with targeting though that he actually dropped a bomb directly through the window a of a school bus. (In a test, he didn't bomb children...it was a skill drill...VACANT school bus)

... Well I guess he wasn't that good now was he?

Quote from: Scotty on April 14, 2010, 10:57:13 PM

Quote from: Mr Pwnage on April 14, 2010, 09:13:06 PM

My uncle is a former bomber pilot for the airforce. This song inspired him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1a_ikfUico

My uncle was so good with targeting though that he actually dropped a bomb directly through the window a of a school bus. (In a test, he didn't bomb children...it was a skill drill...VACANT school bus)

... Well I guess he wasn't that good now was he?

(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5067/coolface.jpg)

What more is there to say?

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 15, 2010, 12:33:25 AM

Quote from: Scotty on April 14, 2010, 10:57:13 PM

Quote from: Mr Pwnage on April 14, 2010, 09:13:06 PM

My uncle is a former bomber pilot for the airforce. This song inspired him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1a_ikfUico

My uncle was so good with targeting though that he actually dropped a bomb directly through the window a of a school bus. (In a test, he didn't bomb children...it was a skill drill...VACANT school bus)

... Well I guess he wasn't that good now was he?

(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5067/coolface.jpg)

What more is there to say?

http://pixeljoint.com/files/icons/full/trollface_remastered.png

Anyways... How many of you would choose something you love to do over a really well paying job? This some-what is related and could be discussed further upon this topic.

Quote from: Delicious on April 15, 2010, 02:58:22 AM

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 15, 2010, 12:33:25 AM

Quote from: Scotty on April 14, 2010, 10:57:13 PM

Quote from: Mr Pwnage on April 14, 2010, 09:13:06 PM

My uncle is a former bomber pilot for the airforce. This song inspired him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1a_ikfUico

My uncle was so good with targeting though that he actually dropped a bomb directly through the window a of a school bus. (In a test, he didn't bomb children...it was a skill drill...VACANT school bus)

... Well I guess he wasn't that good now was he?

(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5067/coolface.jpg)

What more is there to say?

http://pixeljoint.com/files/icons/full/trollface_remastered.png

Anyways... How many of you would choose something you love to do over a really well paying job? This some-what is related and could be discussed further upon this topic.

I would definitely rather do something I love. You may have a high paying job to start with, but in the end, are you really satisfied? Would I be able to live with the fact that every day I have to go work at a job that I never even wanted? Happiness is the key. We don't live to satisfy others, we live to satisfy ourselves. So to me, my wants and needs are more important than anyone else's wants and needs. Maybe that sounds greedy, but when you think about it, it is absolutely true.

Btw, what is with everyone quoting the entire post? And why the hell did xgamer do that twice without even saying anything?

Quote from: Delicious on April 15, 2010, 02:58:22 AMHow many of you would choose something you love to do over a really well paying job? This some-what is related and could be discussed further upon this topic.

I kind of think this question may not be worded well. The obvious answer for just about anyone is that they would choose to do something they love. The reality is not always what we want. Sometimes you have to take the job you don't like because you need the money. Sometimes you have to stay with the job you don't really love because it pays well, and is the only way you can cover all of your bills.

I think the real question is, would you rather live in relatively decent conditions doing a job you aren't really happy with, or would you rather live in pretty poor conditions doing something you love? Or maybe even a third option is would you rather live in very good conditions having just about anything you want, but be completely stressed out and miserable with what you do?

Then there's the situations that don't fit any of those. The lucky bastards who get everything they want and love their jobs. And the miserable people who have next to nothing and are in dead end jobs.

As for doing something I love over a well paying job...

In most circumstances, you can't ever change what you love into your job, once it's a job it's a job, and that changes everything. No one enjoys and looks forward to those 8 hours of actual work. What makes the difference is your environment, the people you see. If you like where you work, the culture and the people that surround it than you can find enjoyment at certain points of work. Like say you work at a desk, your usually not going to enjoy sitting there doing the job at the computer, but sometimes you see your office mates and chat it up, and lunch and all that jazz, that can be enjoyable.

On top of all this, money makes us all happy. After work, should you have a high paying job, you can go out and enjoy yourself, and the more you make the more possibilities you have, which is where the real happiness comes from. You can all say "Money doesn't buy happiness" and fine, but it damn well helps! I would be much more happy if I had a nice car to get around with rather than the subway, or the choice to go out and grab some beers with my friends more than once in awhile without worrying about my bank account.

Quote from: Scotty on April 14, 2010, 10:57:13 PM

Quote from: Mr Pwnage on April 14, 2010, 09:13:06 PM

Quote from: HamsterPants on April 14, 2010, 06:13:26 PM

Quote from: stick d00d on April 13, 2010, 06:21:15 PM
Only a few days ago I got a job at the local Subway. It pays minimum wage of course, but it is good experience for me (being my first official job). I am also currently trying to get in shape to join the Navy/Airforce and see where my life goes from there. I would really love to be a pilot... And another plus would be to get a college education with help from the military. You really just gotta strive for what you want to do, no matter how impossible it may seem to you.

Maybe this song will help inspire you to become a pilot for the military.
It almost did so for me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU9mlIHT9JI

I guess I don't get what you are saying? That was the goal of the drill, meaning he did EXTREMELY well. Most people didn't even get close to the target (the bus). They had to do this some thousand feet up in the air on a cloudy day...relying only on radar.

My uncle is a former bomber pilot for the airforce. This song inspired him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1a_ikfUico

My uncle was so good with targeting though that he actually dropped a bomb directly through the window a of a school bus. (In a test, he didn't bomb children...it was a skill drill...VACANT school bus)

... Well I guess he wasn't that good now was he?

EDIT: Wow what the heck happened to what I wrote...I'm pretty sure I didn't do anything out of the usual quoting wise. Anyways I basically said:

It was a really good thing that he did. The school bus was their target. They had to bomb it some thousand feet in the sky on a cloudy day at night. Most people didn't get the bomb anywhere near the school bus, much less hit it. I believe my uncle was the only one to hit it dead on through the window. Just shows amazing accuracy. Remember that high up the only thing he can rely on is radar...so he did a pretty damn good job.

Quote from: Lingus on April 15, 2010, 02:37:00 PM
Btw, what is with everyone quoting the entire post? And why the hell did xgamer do that twice without even saying anything?

Quote from: Delicious on April 15, 2010, 02:58:22 AMHow many of you would choose something you love to do over a really well paying job? This some-what is related and could be discussed further upon this topic.

I kind of think this question may not be worded well. The obvious answer for just about anyone is that they would choose to do something they love. The reality is not always what we want. Sometimes you have to take the job you don't like because you need the money. Sometimes you have to stay with the job you don't really love because it pays well, and is the only way you can cover all of your bills.

I think the real question is, would you rather live in relatively decent conditions doing a job you aren't really happy with, or would you rather live in pretty poor conditions doing something you love? Or maybe even a third option is would you rather live in very good conditions having just about anything you want, but be completely stressed out and miserable with what you do?

Then there's the situations that don't fit any of those. The lucky bastards who get everything they want and love their jobs. And the miserable people who have next to nothing and are in dead end jobs.

I don't know what happend but I deffinly typed something "I would chose well paying job cause I would have a family to support" Might have been lag :/

@Mr Pwnage
how about you add something to your post than just a quote.

@ Seifer
what is your job?

Quote from: ARTgames on April 15, 2010, 06:49:03 PM
@Mr Pwnage
how about you add something to your post than just a quote.

@ Seifer
what is your job?

ART, people tend to have a bad tendency of not knowing how to correctly quote, and often put their post in the quote itself, as is the case here: "I guess I don't get what you are saying? That was the goal of the drill, meaning he did EXTREMELY well. Most people didn't even get close to the target (the bus). They had to do this some thousand feet up in the air on a cloudy day...relying only on radar."

I guess people just post stuff then don't even bother to look at what they said... >.<

Quote from: Cactuscat222 on April 15, 2010, 08:44:30 PM

Quote from: ARTgames on April 15, 2010, 06:49:03 PM
@Mr Pwnage
how about you add something to your post than just a quote.

@ Seifer
what is your job?

ART, people tend to have a bad tendency of not knowing how to correctly quote, and often put their post in the quote itself, as is the case here: "I guess I don't get what you are saying? That was the goal of the drill, meaning he did EXTREMELY well. Most people didn't even get close to the target (the bus). They had to do this some thousand feet up in the air on a cloudy day...relying only on radar."


I guess people just post stuff then don't even bother to look at what they said... >.<

Sorry about that I usually do...My scroll bar has been acting funny because of some damn setting in a new Firefox update and now it's messing with me. Anyhow, I corrected it in the original.

Personally, I'd rather have a high paying job, because doing something with art for a job, you usually don't have free reign, in which it wouldn't technically be doing what I love...
I'd choose the high paying job so I can support my love of painting/drawing/photography/ceramics. Id be able to buy all the supplies/software/etc. that I wanted. Maybe I wouldn't have as much free time to do it, but i could make alot of money at my job & then make some on the side by selling my art ;o

Quote from: DarkTrinity on April 15, 2010, 10:39:57 PM
Personally, I'd rather have a high paying job, because doing something with art for a job, you usually don't have free reign, in which it wouldn't technically be doing what I love...
I'd choose the high paying job so I can support my love of painting/drawing/photography/ceramics. Id be able to buy all the supplies/software/etc. that I wanted. Maybe I wouldn't have as much free time to do it, but i could make alot of money at my job & then make some on the side by selling my art ;o

Thats what alot of people do XP.

Quote from: ARTgames on April 15, 2010, 06:49:03 PM
@Mr Pwnage
how about you add something to your post than just a quote.

@ Seifer
what is your job?

No job, I'm in college. It will be accounting though.

Quote from: Seifer on April 15, 2010, 11:14:22 PM

Quote from: ARTgames on April 15, 2010, 06:49:03 PM
@Mr Pwnage
how about you add something to your post than just a quote.

@ Seifer
what is your job?

No job, I'm in college. It will be accounting though.

What are you majoring in?

Quote from: xgamer on April 15, 2010, 11:18:51 PM

Quote from: Seifer on April 15, 2010, 11:14:22 PM

Quote from: ARTgames on April 15, 2010, 06:49:03 PM
@Mr Pwnage
how about you add something to your post than just a quote.

@ Seifer
what is your job?

No job, I'm in college. It will be accounting though.

What are you majoring in?

........ Accounting?

Quote from: Seifer on April 15, 2010, 11:38:12 PM

Quote from: xgamer on April 15, 2010, 11:18:51 PM

Quote from: Seifer on April 15, 2010, 11:14:22 PM

Quote from: ARTgames on April 15, 2010, 06:49:03 PM
@Mr Pwnage
how about you add something to your post than just a quote.

@ Seifer
what is your job?

No job, I'm in college. It will be accounting though.

What are you majoring in?

........ Accounting?

Did not see that x.X.>.<"

Quote from: Seifer on April 15, 2010, 11:38:12 PM

Quote from: xgamer on April 15, 2010, 11:18:51 PM

Quote from: Seifer on April 15, 2010, 11:14:22 PM

Quote from: ARTgames on April 15, 2010, 06:49:03 PM
@Mr Pwnage
how about you add something to your post than just a quote.

@ Seifer
what is your job?

No job, I'm in college. It will be accounting though.

What are you majoring in?

........ Accounting?

I will say that made me lol. I have a cousin also in accounting in Canada. I think she not having luck with a job but she not in a place accountants are really needed. So she is moving.

What info do you know about that job in the usa Seifer? I know nothing about that line of work other than its organizing money.

Also are you jewish? Sorry for the bad Stereotype joke.

Cleaned the thread up. Dealt with Xgamer. Please proceed with the discussion.

Quote from: ARTgames on April 16, 2010, 12:07:21 AMAlso are you jewish? Sorry for the bad Stereotype joke.

Haha! Nice. I'm Jewish and I do accounting! No offense taken btw. (Though I guess I can't speak for Seifer.)

Quote from: Lingus on April 16, 2010, 02:08:47 PM

Quote from: ARTgames on April 16, 2010, 12:07:21 AMAlso are you jewish? Sorry for the bad Stereotype joke.

Haha! Nice. I'm Jewish and I do accounting! No offense taken btw. (Though I guess I can't speak for Seifer.)

It's not stereotyping, it's profiling!

Not jewish, German.

Quote from: Seifer on April 16, 2010, 02:42:30 PM
Not jewish, German.

Well if that ain't the polar opposite of what he was expecting to hear!

Quote from: Scotty on April 16, 2010, 02:43:16 PM

Quote from: Seifer on April 16, 2010, 02:42:30 PM
Not jewish, German.

Well if that ain't the polar opposite of what he was expecting to hear!

Hahaha. Actually if I remember correctly that's EXACTLY why world war I came about, well part of it. All of the Jewish people were bankers/accountants...and Germany was in somewhat of an economic crisis. Hitler came to power and said, "Okay, why are we in this economic crisis, who's in charge of the money?" Gave the Germans a perfect reason to hate the Jews. (though of course it wasn't their fault at all) While he is an evil bastard, that was a pretty smart play on Hitler's part.

Also he was evil and hated everyone.

Quote from: Mr Pwnage on April 17, 2010, 07:51:43 AM

Quote from: Scotty on April 16, 2010, 02:43:16 PM

Quote from: Seifer on April 16, 2010, 02:42:30 PM
Not jewish, German.

Well if that ain't the polar opposite of what he was expecting to hear!

Hahaha. Actually if I remember correctly that's EXACTLY why world war I came about, well part of it. All of the Jewish people were bankers/accountants...and Germany was in somewhat of an economic crisis. Hitler came to power and said, "Okay, why are we in this economic crisis, who's in charge of the money?" Gave the Germans a perfect reason to hate the Jews. (though of course it wasn't their fault at all) While he is an evil bastard, that was a pretty smart play on Hitler's part.

Actually... Not quite accurate.  Germany was in an economical crisis when they were handed the Treaty of Versailles.  This treaty pretty much forced them to admit fault of WWI and demanded that they pay the equivalent of $31.4 BILLION to the countries affected by the war.  This was rather outlandish, and it was estimated that had they attempted to pay it off, it would have taken until 1988 to pay it all in full.  That's 69 years of poverty from the year the treaty was signed.  Hitler came to power and the first thing he did was piss on the treaty (figuratively).  It wasn't at all related to the nationality of his accountants, it was the fact that his country got slammed with this treaty.

And I agree with Lingus!  That crazy loon even killed his own dogs before he bit the capsule and shot himself in the head!  Who does that to their own dogs!

Quote from: Scotty on April 19, 2010, 03:44:13 PM
Who does that to their own dogs!

Hitler.
Isn't it ironic that Mods are always the only ones off topic. (other then lucifer and pwnage but whatever.)
Out of the last 7 posts mods have talked about hitler, jew jokes, (ignoring Mr.pwnage's post about hitler)
Seriously mods, why are we receiving the blame for exactly what you guys are doing. What the heck to germands and jews have to do with what you want to be when you grow up. You can't grow up to be a german. You can choose to be a jew, but its not your occupation...
And just so you guys dont call me a hypocrite, I have also wanted to be a vetranarian. Getting a job at a clinic this summer. My neighbors own the place.

EDIT: oh when I meant mods I meant ex-mods also.

Am I too old for this? I'm 18, and still have absolutely no clue. I do know that I am going to college next year, possibly for Computer Science.

Quote from: crozier on April 19, 2010, 04:10:25 PM

Quote from: Scotty on April 19, 2010, 03:44:13 PM
Who does that to their own dogs!

Hitler.
Isn't it ironic that Mods are always the only ones off topic. (other then lucifer and pwnage but whatever.)
Out of the last 7 posts mods have talked about hitler, jew jokes, (ignoring Mr.pwnage's post about hitler)
Seriously mods, why are we receiving the blame for exactly what you guys are doing. What the heck to germands and jews have to do with what you want to be when you grow up. You can't grow up to be a german. You can choose to be a jew, but its not your occupation...
And just so you guys dont call me a hypocrite, I have also wanted to be a vetranarian. Getting a job at a clinic this summer. My neighbors own the place.  Well done at making yourself look like an idiot though.

EDIT: oh when I meant mods I meant ex-mods also.

Your argument fails upon the basis that you point the finger at the mods, who have done a fine job of attempting to keep this on topic, and have little, if at all deviated.  

Quote from: crozier on April 19, 2010, 04:10:25 PM

Quote from: Scotty on April 19, 2010, 03:44:13 PM
Who does that to their own dogs!

Hitler.
Isn't it ironic that Mods are always the only ones off topic. (other then lucifer and pwnage but whatever.)
Out of the last 7 posts mods have talked about hitler, jew jokes, (ignoring Mr.pwnage's post about hitler)
Seriously mods, why are we receiving the blame for exactly what you guys are doing. What the heck to germands and jews have to do with what you want to be when you grow up. You can't grow up to be a german. You can choose to be a jew, but its not your occupation...
And just so you guys dont call me a hypocrite, I have also wanted to be a vetranarian. Getting a job at a clinic this summer. My neighbors own the place.

EDIT: oh when I meant mods I meant ex-mods also.

In all honesty, that's how conversations develop. You have cycles of on topic while it strands off into off-topic and makes it's way back on again. That is completely fine in all honesty...otherwise how can we actually enjoy discussing a topic to begin with if we have to worry about everything we write being strictly bound to exactly as the topic is. The kind of off topic that is unacceptable would be if I just ran in here and said something like "Who want's pizza?!" Because that obviously had no correlation to anything anybody has said. Sure we drifted into a miniature conversation about WWII...but the topic would be immediately shifted back on when somebody posts something like:

I would actually like to program video games or work in an area of games design after going through college. Though I have not completely made up my mind yet...because joining the marines also greatly appeals to me. As of current, I am considering the possibility of joining the marines and once my service time is over...which would of course be many years...I would than get a job in the field of game design for the rest of my life. I think it would be a good idea for me because I would over the course of my life be able to work both jobs that appeal to me, and at the same time receive the financial benefits for being retired armed forces.

Scotty your last 75+ posts have been in the off topic section. This is a SO forum; not a have fun, dance around, tell everyone how many girls you get and drinks you have had forum.
Your more recent posts include:

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I let it play for about 3 seconds before I knew you were full of goat shit.

No I'm not stereotyping/discriminating dumb-ass retards either...

Very fowl langwage

8 topic in offtopic section in 4 pages. 4 of which were just links to something funny. Nothing said, just a link.

Unappropriate avatars

Useless posts like:

QuoteGawd Damn!

QuoteThank you brother!

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Dear Christ in heaven above...

Of all people, I am your influence!?!  What the penguin erection is wrong with you people!?!

QuoteI've always wanted to see your sister's nips...

Posting of nudity on the forum. Which is againts the rules you signed when creating an account.

QuoteFeed 'em arsenic.  They're a freak of nature anyways...

Rasism toward people with diseases. They didn't choose to be that way.
Just some stuff I wanted to point.

EDIT: @above, yes but seeing the mods always have something to do with it being offtopic it is getting annoying. They dont even know they are off topic. Not always one of those post comes along for a few pages
EDIT:

QuoteYou agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright or you have written consent from the owner of the copyrighted material. Spam, flooding, advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also forbidden on this forum.

Scotty is breaking 2 rules. 3 if you include him being hateful.
those rules broken by scotty is vulgar and sextually orientated.

Since when am I a mod?

Quote from: crozier on April 19, 2010, 04:10:25 PM
You can choose to be a jew

Not really... You can convert to the jewish religion, but technically only people with jewish mothers are considered jewish.

And crozier, seriously? You expect Scotty isn't going to completely thrash you right now?

In any case, to respond to you concerns about mods (or ex-mods as the case may be) posting off-topic responses. I think the key is we know when it is acceptable. Only a very small percentage of the community (ie you and may one or two others) have a problem with it. And you really only have a problem with it in premise it seems. Other than the fact that it's off-topic, it's good conversations (as Pwnage has pointed out). This forum would be boring if everyone just stuck to "I play SO." "I killed an SG and got a fedora." "I got a bunny hat." "Where do I find the bandits?" Blaaaaaaah... The forum would have died by now if that's all that was allowed.

Quote from: Lingus on April 19, 2010, 05:55:38 PM

Quote from: crozier on April 19, 2010, 04:10:25 PM
You can choose to be a jew

Not really... You can convert to the jewish religion, but technically only people with jewish mothers are considered jewish.

And crozier, seriously? You expect Scotty isn't going to completely thrash you right now?

In any case, to respond to you concerns about mods (or ex-mods as the case may be) posting off-topic responses. I think the key is we know when it is acceptable. Only a very small percentage of the community (ie you and may one or two others) have a problem with it. And you really only have a problem with it in premise it seems. Other than the fact that it's off-topic, it's good conversations (as Pwnage has pointed out). This forum would be boring if everyone just stuck to "I play SO." "I killed an SG and got a fedora." "I got a bunny hat." "Where do I find the bandits?" Blaaaaaaah... The forum would have died by now if that's all that was allowed.

Best part is, this was actually somewhat of an intelligent derailment.  As Pwnage put it, we aren't sitting here screaming "IT'S RAININ' MEN!"  We're actually discussing historical occurrences related to the stereotypes of race and job correlation.

Although I did get a chuckle out of how you say they can choose to be Jewish.  Why all those millions of Jews back in WWII didn't decide to convert back before getting slaughtered?  Well maybe you could fill me in on that, cuz I ain't gotta clue!

Quote from: Scotty on April 19, 2010, 05:59:51 PMAlthough I did get a chuckle out of how you say they can choose to be Jewish.  Why all those millions of Jews back in WWII didn't decide to convert back before getting slaughtered?  Well maybe you could fill me in on that, cuz I ain't gotta clue!

Seriously. You can choose not to be jewish if you want to pin your non-existant foreskin up. That was a pretty dead give away back then.

I also enjoyed this quote:

Quote from: crozier on April 19, 2010, 05:33:43 PM

QuoteFeed 'em arsenic.  They're a freak of nature anyways...

Rasism toward people with diseases. They didn't choose to be that way.

Racism... towards people with diseases. They like to be called Diseasian! God, some people can be so inconsiderate.

Quote from: Lingus on April 19, 2010, 06:04:51 PM

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QuoteFeed 'em arsenic.  They're a freak of nature anyways...

Rasism toward people with diseases. They didn't choose to be that way.

Racism... towards people with diseases. They like to be called Diseasian! God, some people can be so inconsiderate.

Ok, that's DAMN funny!

Quote from: Scotty on April 19, 2010, 05:53:32 PM
Since when am I a mod?

Guess you didn't bother to read this post

Quote from: crozier on April 19, 2010, 04:10:25 PM
Hitler.
Isn't it ironic that Mods are always the only ones off topic.......... Getting a job at a clinic this summer. My neighbors own the place.

EDIT: oh when I meant mods I meant ex-mods also.

Remember the time of update.

Quote from: Lingus on April 19, 2010, 05:55:38 PM

Quote from: crozier on April 19, 2010, 04:10:25 PM
You can choose to be a jew

Not really... You can convert to the jewish religion, but technically only people with jewish mothers are considered jewish.

And crozier, seriously? You expect Scotty isn't going to completely thrash you right now?

In any case, to respond to you concerns about mods (or ex-mods as the case may be) posting off-topic responses. I think the key is we know when it is acceptable. Only a very small percentage of the community (ie you and may one or two others) have a problem with it. And you really only have a problem with it in premise it seems. Other than the fact that it's off-topic, it's good conversations (as Pwnage has pointed out). This forum would be boring if everyone just stuck to "I play SO." "I killed an SG and got a fedora." "I got a bunny hat." "Where do I find the bandits?" Blaaaaaaah... The forum would have died by now if that's all that was allowed.

Yes but this is out of hand. Once people start doing stuff like he is doing and not having any contact with the game at all, then whats the point of him being on a forum dedicated to a game in which he doesn't care about.

Lingus be honest, you can't be this big of a fan of scotty in order to defend him when he is saying crap like in those quotes I posted.
I aplologise for using the diseasian term incorectly, but if you frown more at me for saying that, (yes it was indeed a joke) more then scotty saying much more crap which was offensive then you are a complete idiot.

Next Topic of intrest: Why are you guys thinking in the past first off? Now you CAN choose to be a jew. You CAN choose to not to be a jew. Life moves on whether you are a jew or not.

Derpa derp.  I guess I don't belong here anymore, then, seeing as I can't even remember the last time I posted in a section outside of off-topic.

Quote from: Chaos on March 14, 2010, 04:03:56 PM

Quote from: Lucifer on March 14, 2010, 03:48:34 PM
Ya'll want to know the secret to not getting viruses? It's incredible, I learned it after years and years of personal experience. These five words will prolong the life of every computer you'll ever own: Don't be a !@#$ing idiot. Don't download russian midget shemale porn, don't download hacks for games, and don't download shit from obviously suspicious emails or websites in general. I've been torrenting games without an antivirus or firewall for years. Antivirus programs have always been a pain in the ass for me, whether it's having to disable them every time I want to do something specific, or having to deal with their popups suddenly minimizing my game, it's just aggrovating.

The only Antivirus I've ever liked, that's never caused me so much agony I've rage-deleted it, is ESET NOD32. I'm sure other smooth user-friendly ones exist, but I can't be buggered to try them after the torture Norton and other antivirus software has put me through.

From what I was reading on a test conducted on this year's anti-virus programs, ESET NOD32 was #1, and Kaspersky (what I use) was #2. 

Page 5 chaos

Oh, hey, look.  There it is.

Though, that doesn't actually have anything to do with SO...

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Other MMOs, perhaps.  On the contrary, I'd say SO would be perfect for a handheld, as there is nothing that needs to BE done.  You just play it to dick around.  Whipping it out (excuse the mental image) to play in the free 10 minutes before you go on to the next thing is practically the hallmark of handhelds, and SO would fit perfectly into that.

On the Iphone, though?  I don't know about that.  Sure, you have internet access at all times, but touch screen controls....eh.

page 6.

Quote from: crozier on April 19, 2010, 07:10:14 PMYes but this is out of hand. Once people start doing stuff like he is doing and not having any contact with the game at all, then whats the point of him being on a forum dedicated to a game in which he doesn't care about.

Then why does this forum have an off-topic section at all? I know it doesn't mean you are allowed complete free reign in any topic in that section, but still your argument is flawed. And I still think if a topic goes off-topic in an interesting direction that it's a good thing.

Quote from: crozier on April 19, 2010, 07:10:14 PM
Lingus be honest, you can't be this big of a fan of scotty in order to defend him when he is saying crap like in those quotes I posted.
I aplologise for using the diseasian term incorectly, but if you frown more at me for saying that, (yes it was indeed a joke) more then scotty saying much more crap which was offensive then you are a complete idiot.

A fan of his? What the hell? I believe you have mistaken me for some of the children who visit this forum and look up to Scott as their idol. I'm older than he is by a few years first off. And while I respect him as a person and a friend I wouldn't say I'm his "fan". And in any case, the quotes you posted of his aren't really that horrible taken in the context of the fact that it's Scott posting them. He says stuff like that and it shouldn't be taken offensively.

Quote from: crozier on April 19, 2010, 07:10:14 PM
Next Topic of intrest: Why are you guys thinking in the past first off? Now you CAN choose to be a jew. You CAN choose to not to be a jew. Life moves on whether you are a jew or not.

I wasn't thinking in the past in my first response. I cannot choose to not be Jewish. My mother is Jewish. I am Jewish. It is part of my ethnicity. I don't really even practice the religion. But regardless, I have no choice. I can deny it all I want, but it would be like anyone else denying their ethnicity.

Similarly, anyone can convert to Judaism. Learn everything about the Torah and all of the other religious texts. Learn Hebrew. All of the traditions and prayers. Go to temple. All of that. But they won't be Jewish the same way I am.

Quote from: crozier on April 19, 2010, 05:33:43 PM
Scotty your last 75+ posts have been in the off topic section. This is a SO forum; not a have fun, dance around, tell everyone how many girls you get and drinks you have had forum.

SINCE WHEN?

Quote from: Lingus on April 19, 2010, 07:37:34 PM
Then why does this forum have an off-topic section at all? I know it doesn't mean you are allowed complete free reign in any topic in that section, but still your argument is flawed. And I still think if a topic goes off-topic in an interesting direction that it's a good thing.

Topics in the off-topic section are getting off topic. Thats why it feels like it doesn't have anything to do with the game anymore.

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A fan of his? What the hell? I believe you have mistaken me for some of the children who visit this forum and look up to Scott as their idol. I'm older than he is by a few years first off. And while I respect him as a person and a friend I wouldn't say I'm his "fan". And in any case, the quotes you posted of his aren't really that horrible taken in the context of the fact that it's Scott posting them. He says stuff like that and it shouldn't be taken offensively.

though he may not being serious. Making fun of retards and making a topic just to call an other member gay is pretty screwed up. 

Quote from: crozier on April 19, 2010, 07:10:14 PM
Next Topic of intrest: Why are you guys thinking in the past first off? Now you CAN choose to be a jew. You CAN choose to not to be a jew. Life moves on whether you are a jew or not.

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I wasn't thinking in the past in my first response. I cannot choose to not be Jewish. My mother is Jewish. I am Jewish. It is part of my ethnicity. I don't really even practice the religion. But regardless, I have no choice. I can deny it all I want, but it would be like anyone else denying their ethnicity.

Similarly, anyone can convert to Judaism. Learn everything about the Torah and all of the other religious texts. Learn Hebrew. All of the traditions and prayers. Go to temple. All of that. But they won't be Jewish the same way I am.

But they are still Jewish, just not like you. Ok the very first person to be jewish must have converted. It was jesus, right? Please correct me if I am incorrect as I am not sure. He had to converted because as a baby you dont know what god is or if you are his son or not. Therefor if he converted he isn't a true jew (lol it rymes). Therefor nobody is at all.

I won't lie, its kind of ridiculous to say "Oh its fine when Scotty does it, that is just who he is!" Then turn around and bash all the trolls for doing what they always do...

Though obviously Scotty isn't a troll, and I couldn't care less about the material posted as long as it keeps me entertained or interested.

Quote from: crozier on April 19, 2010, 07:52:17 PMOk the very first person to be jewish must have converted. It was jesus, right? Please correct me if I am incorrect as I am not sure. He had to converted because as a baby you dont know what god is or if you are his son or not. Therefor if he converted he isn't a true jew (lol it rymes). Therefor nobody is at all.

No... no sir. Very incorrect. Jesus would have been the first Christian I guess. It is true that Jesus was Jewish, but Judaism has existed for many thousands of years before Jesus. In any case, I'm not going to get into this. Just know that Judaism is a religion, but it is also an ethnicity. It is unlike many other religions in that sense. So you are correct, you can convert to the religion, but you cannot convert to the ethnicity. Saying no one is Jewish because the first person had to have converted in is like saying no one is African, or British, or Asian.

Ok I wasn't sure about that thats why I asked if that info was correct.
Thanks for the info. Didn't know any of that.

I'm sorry Crozier, when exactly did we appoint you the new sheriff in town? Oh wait, we didn't. If Scotty needs to be dealt with, he will be. I have reigned him in before and told him to drop it when he goes too far, and that has been enough. If you have a complaint about scotty bring it up with him or me in a PM.

This is the off-topic section, Scotty, as well as Chaos while we are on this topic are both valuable members of this community. SO would not be where it is now without the two of them, so respect your elders. If they believe that the people here on this forum are worth amusing, than by all means let them continue to stick around and be a part of this community and join in on our fun, our dancing and our bragging of sexual conquests.

It's the bloody Off-topic section, as long as what they post is semi-relevant to the thread at hand, whether it contributes to the topic at hand or not, it is allowed.


Now, on another note about this Jewish crap. You can choose to be or not to be a Jew. It is NOT a race. It is a religion. You can come from Jewish parents and choose not to be a Jew. Just because you have a furry head, a long nose and an obsession for money does NOT make you a Jew if you don't also follow the religion.

Nobody appointed me anything but I still thought like expressing my oppinion. Funny that you can do that, huh?
But really, does Hitler have anything to do with your job you want to be when you grow up?
It moved from being on topic->jew talk->Angry words at Hitler->me blurting out ->all mods taking scotty's side ->back to some jew stuff, so lets just bring it back on topic.

Quote from: crozier on April 20, 2010, 08:44:30 AM
Nobody appointed me anything but I still thought like expressing my oppinion. Funny that you can do that, huh?
But really, does Hitler have anything to do with your job you want to be when you grow up?
It moved from being on topic->jew talk->Angry words at Hitler->me blurting out ->all mods taking scotty's side ->back to some jew stuff, so lets just bring it back on topic.

You haven't exactly been aiding this topic with keeping relevance in your posts the last two pages either...  Might I recommend next time taking this to PMs as to avoid any possible back-lash and not sounding hypocritical with your attempts at going off topic by discussing how off-topic one can be.

So back on topic now...

I'm curious on some people's parts (especially Chaos) who wants to become an entrepreneur and start his own business, and anyone else who has similar ambitions, do any of you know anything about entrepreneurship?  Or is it just somewhat of a silly ambitious attempt at fighting the man and doing what you want?  The thing is, and I've seen this a lot, people hate bosses.  It's just human nature to not want to be controlled.  Chaos defines that sort of persona, but all too often do I see it where someone is offered that spot amongst those we would hate, and shazzam, they become who they've hated for so long once given the opportunity.  Take for instance, deadlines.  Developers HATE deadlines, they are always too short, un-realistic, but somehow they always happen thanks to long nights, lots of coffee, etc...  If you go to start your own business, how are you going to reasonably handle them any different?  Deadlines are deadlines, they have to be in existence.  No matter what you set as a must-have-done-by-this-date, if you expand a deadline further, that just means that you are going to try and do more, and put more work in, thus making the next (previously reasonable) deadline identical to the last.

I'm just wondering for all those entrepreneurs-to-be, if they've thought through all aspects.  I for one never care to be an entrepreneur, as I don't care to have to be the one calling the shots.  I don't care to rise in management, own a business, I am content with staying where I am at right now as the lead developer of my project.

I have no hatred toward bosses in general, nor being one.  I am just not the type of person to live within the constraints of someone else.  I hate being shackled, and I have no interest in spending my entire life under the thumb of some CEO making millions a year.  I would much rather BE the CEO making millions a year.

Quote from: Chaos on April 20, 2010, 12:45:22 PM
I have no hatred toward bosses in general, nor being one.  I am just not the type of person to live within the constraints of someone else.  I hate being shackled, and I have no interest in spending my entire life under the thumb of some CEO making millions a year.  I would much rather BE the CEO making millions a year.

Control freak.

Quote from: Seifer on April 20, 2010, 05:03:14 AMNow, on another note about this Jewish crap. You can choose to be or not to be a Jew. It is NOT a race. It is a religion. You can come from Jewish parents and choose not to be a Jew. Just because you have a furry head, a long nose and an obsession for money does NOT make you a Jew if you don't also follow the religion.

Seifer, please don't get into this as I may become offended. Thank you. Rather than try to argue with you, as I myself am Jewish yet do not follow the religion to any great extent, I will leave it at that.

Edit: I decided to offer a bit of information. Take a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

Specifically the parts that talk about ethnicity.

Quote from: Scotty on April 20, 2010, 12:15:01 PMI'm just wondering for all those entrepreneurs-to-be, if they've thought through all aspects.

It's a good point. One thing I've learned watching my mom build up her business is that it's not anywhere near as easy, nor do you even make any more money, as being an employee. The first several years of a start-up business you aren't really making much profit to speak of. There's so many costs involved. As you start growing, this becomes something you have to keep a handle on all the time. Cost of employees, office space... all that. So while you can say you are making $200 per hour, you also have way more cost. In the end, you are working longer hours, have more stress, and are making if not the same than less money than if you were to just take a job at a company.

Quote from: Jake on April 20, 2010, 12:59:40 PM

Quote from: Chaos on April 20, 2010, 12:45:22 PM
I have no hatred toward bosses in general, nor being one.  I am just not the type of person to live within the constraints of someone else.  I hate being shackled, and I have no interest in spending my entire life under the thumb of some CEO making millions a year.  I would much rather BE the CEO making millions a year.

Control freak.

QUALITY CONTROL freak, perhaps.   ;)

Is Seifer misinformed? I was almost positive that you could consider Jewish people as a race in itself. I mean, there is the religion as well, but I thought there was a clear distinction between following Judaism and being Jewish.

Quote from: Cactuscat222 on April 20, 2010, 01:23:23 PM
Is Seifer misinformed? I was almost positive that you could consider Jewish people as a race in itself. I mean, there is the religion as well, but I thought there was a clear distinction between following Judaism and being Jewish.

Yes. But I decided to not really get into it.

I edited my last post with a link. Check it out.

Wow, you guys sure go off topic.

:x

Well, I didn't make the basketball team, I am quite surprised. I made a small mistake during scrimmage but it was big for the coach. But congrats to my 4 friends who made it on the team. I'm gonna practice almost everyday and hopefully redeem myself next year.