Sony lawyers now targeting anyone who posts PlayStation 3 hack

[Scotty]

Only affects you if you hack your PS3. lol But nice find :P

It's not surprising that they are going to try and track/punish those who hack their PS3, but the article emphasizes more on the (unverified) possibility that your credit card information is getting passed in clear-text to their servers every time you connect to PSN.  All it takes is a man-in-the-middle intercept to have your identity compromised.  I'm not sure where in the transmission it is sent, but from the sounds of it, if a user is connecting to their un-encrypted wireless router, and a person is sitting outside with a simple, free, and easily accessible packet sniffer, you're screwed.

[T-Rok]

Only affects you if you hack your PS3. lol But nice find :P

It's not surprising that they are going to try and track/punish those who hack their PS3, but the article emphasizes more on the (unverified) possibility that your credit card information is getting passed in clear-text to their servers every time you connect to PSN.  All it takes is a man-in-the-middle intercept to have your identity compromised.  I'm not sure where in the transmission it is sent, but from the sounds of it, if a user is connecting to their un-encrypted wireless router, and a person is sitting outside with a simple, free, and easily accessible packet sniffer, you're screwed.

Ah, I had not read it that carefully. lol

[ARTgames]

any one here owned a hacked ps3?

[T-Rok]

any one here owned a hacked ps3?

I do. I have 3 PS3's in my house, one of which has a broken blu-ray reader. The one that is broken is hacked because it is worthless anyways and it costs the same to fix it as it does for a new PS3, hence 3 PS3's.

Also, Sony is now threatening to ban you if you use any hardware that is not made officially by Sony (Controllers, Power Supplies, Headsets, etc.) as well as making it legal for them to spy on you through their new network agreement.
http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/new-psn-service-agreement-81173/

[Chaos]

So, uh.....people are still putting up with Sony....why?  When I picture them in my head, all I can think of a some raving mad lunatic, foaming at the mouth and screaming obscenities at random passersby.   :-\

[Delicious]

any one here owned a hacked ps3?

Also, Sony is now threatening to ban you if you use any hardware that is not made officially by Sony (Controllers, Power Supplies, Headsets, etc.) as well as making it legal for them to spy on you through their new network agreement.
http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/new-psn-service-agreement-81173/

I read the agreement, but does this count for controllers that can be bought via EBGames that are made for the PS3 but not under Sony? I'm not sure why they'd stoop that low, but if so then that sucks. I got 4 non-Sony controllers because I lack money to keep on paying for those expensive $80 ones when they brake.

I appreciate them getting rid of the hackers, but it looks as though they hit a few legit players and did not acknowledge their request to be unbanned. :/

[ARTgames]

Good thing I'm mainly a pc gamer. In the past I was thinking of a ps3 or a new graphics card and I know now I went with the right choice.

[RayRay]

Good thing I'm mainly a pc gamer. In the past I was thinking of a ps3 or a new graphics card and I know now I went with the right choice.

So am I, and me or my other brother got a PS3 because we thought it wasn't worth the cost.

[Freeforall]

Hmm... I hacked my PS3...

[Meiun]

any one here owned a hacked ps3?

Also, Sony is now threatening to ban you if you use any hardware that is not made officially by Sony (Controllers, Power Supplies, Headsets, etc.) as well as making it legal for them to spy on you through their new network agreement.
http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/new-psn-service-agreement-81173/

I read the agreement, but does this count for controllers that can be bought via EBGames that are made for the PS3 but not under Sony? I'm not sure why they'd stoop that low, but if so then that sucks. I got 4 non-Sony controllers because I lack money to keep on paying for those expensive $80 ones when they brake.

I appreciate them getting rid of the hackers, but it looks as though they hit a few legit players and did not acknowledge their request to be unbanned. :/

I'm certainly no expert on the matter, but I honestly doubt that you need to worry about anything like that. In fact, I highly doubt that anyone has to worry about using 3rd party hardware except for on the rare ocassion that it could be linked to malicious use, hacking, or system modification. People tend to enjoy taking things to the extreme when a company does something they disagree with or that scares them. Just because Sony is reserving the right to ban people for improper hardware/software use does not mean that they would actually do it to every person that plugs in a second rate controller from gamestop/ebgames (most of which probably are licensed by sony anyways, which they already said is ok). It's called covering your ass. Technically it's against the rules for you guys to share your accounts in Stick Online, so technically I "could" ban you for it. But would I ever actually ban everyone who has ever shared an account? Ofcourse not. I can't say I totally agree with Sony's approach to this who fiasco, but I certainly don't like the fact that these new hacks allow people to cheat and pirate either, so on that end I at least appreciate that they are trying to do something about this mess.

I actually find it a bit funny how worked up a lot of people are getting over a lot of this, as I'm pretty sure 98% of this is going to have little to no direct effect on your typically legitimate PS3 owner.

But again, I am not an expert on any of this, so I wouldn't rely too heavily on my opinion.

[T-Rok]

Actually its pretty big, not the new ToS, but what people are finding out about Sony and the PS3 now that they have access to the internals. The guy who programs GaiaManager(its a backup manager) decided he would monitor what Sony collects on you from general PS3 usage. He turned on his PS3 and the second he pushed the power button it sent all his personal information (credit card, name, etc) straight to a Sony server. Upon being received, the PS3 is told to try to connect to multiple other Sony servers and to send the information to them as well. Each message contains your information, all un-encrypted, and thats pretty big. I know I don't want my credit card information being sent each time I turn on my game console.

[Meiun]

Actually its pretty big, not the new ToS, but what people are finding out about Sony and the PS3 now that they have access to the internals. The guy who programs GaiaManager(its a backup manager) decided he would monitor what Sony collects on you from general PS3 usage. He turned on his PS3 and the second he pushed the power button it sent all his personal information (credit card, name, etc) straight to a Sony server. Upon being received, the PS3 is told to try to connect to multiple other Sony servers and to send the information to them as well. Each message contains your information, all un-encrypted, and thats pretty big. I know I don't want my credit card information being sent each time I turn on my game console.

Sony already has credit card info stored on their servers along with your account, as do most sights that have an online store (amazon.com for instance, among countless others), so them having your credit card info is really not of any huge significance to me. Nor is them collecting information on what type of hardware I'm using with my system. If they are indeed sending sensitive information like that unencrypted however, that is an entirely different and much more serious problem. Also a bit rediculous if it does indeed send it every time it is turned on.
    HOWEVER, I honestly have a slightly hard time believing that this is actually the case... You very well may be right, I havn't looked into it too much myself. But from what little I did skim over the article scott posted, it seemed to come off as little more than an excerpt from a random instant messenger conversation, smiley faces and all... Not exactly my idea of a credible source. Most other articles that I have found which discuss the matter all seem to reference the same  self-proclaimed PlayStation network hackers chat log, and state that it has been confirmed as little more than a rumor at this point.

[T-Rok]

Woh woh woh. This is way too far. Sony got the German police to raid this guys house and take all his computers. However he did warn Sony if they attempted anything he would strike back. As such, he has uploaded almost all the information and research available about the HV that he has uncovered on the PS3, and by he, I mean he is the only one who knew before this.

http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/sony-moves-next-level-police-raid-graf_chokolo-home-81742/

[Scotty]

Woh woh woh. This is way too far. Sony got the German police to raid this guys house and take all his computers. However he did warn Sony if they attempted anything he would strike back. As such, he has uploaded almost all the information and research available about the HV that he has uncovered on the PS3, and by he, I mean he is the only one who knew before this.

http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/sony-moves-next-level-police-raid-graf_chokolo-home-81742/

May as well go down in a blaze of glory!  Classy Sony, you're really looking like the heroes here...

[bubba]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!  ;D

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/02/twitter-user-tricks-sony-into-rebroadcasting-secret-ps3-code.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

Kevin Butler is simply a hire-on commercial guy, he is in no way VP. And the twitter is in no way regulated by him. It's funny if you glance at it, but looking indepth it's just not that great.

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Anyway, there's a lot of variables in the situation. Instead of putting up a cluster!@#$ of rant, I'm going to try to categorize this:

PSP & How This Affects The Situation
We all know about the PSP. You have one, your mother has one, your dog has one. All of them hacked because it was so incredibly easy to do that Sony couldn't finish the sentence "you did wha-?" if you were installing CFW. How did this affect Sony in the long run? Badly. Piracy was rampant (of course DS piracy was just as rampant. but that's a different story.), it was bad. Nobody liked it, hackers got in. Multiplayer games were forever ruined, etc.

Geohotz
We all know Geohotz by now. Great guy that Geohotz, let us get homebrew on the PS3! I mean, it's not like we had Linux or anything. It's not like you couldn't have developed applications on that platform instead of breaking into a system just to say you want homebrew. But moving on.

Sony
I do like Sony. They did have the great security of the PS3 and were nice enough to provide Linux. Not many companies would open a flaw like that willingly. It sucks that people had to exploit the flaw, because now Sony is going to just lose the whole situation. Is it well-minded of Sony to sue the people responsible? Of course. Is it going to go anywhere? No. Sony is right in doing so but this won't fix the situation. It's done, game over. The only thing Sony does now is ban the people from PSN playing backups and be done with it. We don't get farther than there.

Legitimate Owners
Will the people who have OFW be affected by this situation? Maybe. It's hard to tell what Sony wishes to do. Personally I'd say so but I can't see how Sony would do this whole thing.

That's about it. I do lean a little more towards Sony because I saw what happened first hand on the PSP and could see how Linux was a giant influence in Sony's decision in helping people. We had a great linux distribution, it worked even better than homebrew would've. Kind of sad to see the situation stink like this and can only wish Sony the best.

Although I think this is a look towards the future. What Sony has done was well-regarded. Hackers didn't break in until now. Think of the PS4. How long will it take then? Security is ever advancing, the days of piracy on consoles might be soon meeting their demise.