Group of kids throw a dog off a 50 foot bridge...

[Jackabomb]

Yeah, chaos? Why don't you tell me what you think is wrong instead of laughing like an idiot and posting stupid junk like that?

[Lingus]

I'm sorry to spoil your little bridge-throwing party, but this guy shouldn't be thrown off a bridge. Nor should he be exposed to the fear of it, or sentenced to die, or anything like that. You see, "an eye for an eye" system of justice doesn't extend to animals. Animals and humans are completely different beings.

In your own opinion. Though I do agree it would be a bit excessive to punish this person in that manner. If you think about it though, had the kid thrown another kid off the bridge this would be a completely different story. Even if the person didn't die, it would be attempted murder rather than animal cruelty. I think they would get more than 1 year. So even if some people don't agree, the justice system we have in place agrees with Jackabomb.

I'm not sure what to say about the rest of your post. I think people really do fool themselves into thinking they aren't really harming animals by eating meat. It is too distant. Even though they realize they are eating an animal, they don't think about it.

[Lingus]

However, I am not at all opposed to hunting. I am sickened by the modern day farms we have, and the cruel lives the animals have to live for, and I can only do so much... but, in honesty, I think being a vegan/vegetarian for the sake of the animals is ridiculous. You shouldn't have any ethical qualms about eating to survive. It is and has been in your blood for your entire life, and much of before it. Our body needs those nutrients they have to offer, that only a few plants can mimic. I can assure you as well, an animal wouldn't hesitate to devour you if its own survival was at stake.

Wow... I'm sorry, that's kind of ridiculous. First of all, I refer you to my earlier post about us not really needing to eat meat to survive. How can vegans/vegetarians survive if that were not that case? There's plenty of beans, nuts, etc that have the protiens that meats provide. You can live without eating meat. It is possible. So why kill? Because we like the taste of meat. It makes us happy. That's pretty much it.

And hunting!? Wow. Do you eat the animals you kill? If so then I guess that's okay, but if you just do it for sport than that is even worse. What justifies that? Because you wanted to have fun? Nice...

[Cactuscat222]

1) I made reference that we can survive without meat.

2) I don't hunt myself. I don't oppose hunting when the animal is killed for use. I say hunt for a reason, not killing for sport.

3) Humans haven't just been eating meat because we like it. If we decided to stop eating meats 100's of years ago, those people probably would have died off, due to our lack of understanding. Yeah, we have the understanding now. But it is still in our blood to be omnivores.

4) I'm talking about being vegan/vegetarian, for the sake of the animals. Why do you care about the animal in question? We have to survive somehow.

5) The entire growing meat in a vat is years off. I read the same article about it, and the scientists said "We are about 5 years off from having this meat meet the same quality of sausage". SAUSAGE. The worst meat out on the planet.

EDIT: Please read my posts before making assumptions like that. In fact, I can't see anything in your post about what I said that was ridiculous. All you mentioned was that we can survive without meat; I said there are plants that mimic that.... and that is about it for "whats ridiculous in my post".

[Chaos]

Reposting from my edit on previous page cause you guys post too !@#$ing fast:

I'm sorry to spoil your little bridge-throwing party, but this guy shouldn't be thrown off a bridge. Nor should he be exposed to the fear of it, or sentenced to die, or anything like that. You see, "an eye for an eye" system of justice doesn't extend to animals. Animals and humans are completely different beings.

As for eating meat or using fur for clothing, I think I need the meat far more than the animal will. First, the animal(say a cow) is going to do what? Is it going to make the world a better place? Is it going to make a positive difference in the life of a sentient being? Is it even going to have a chance to do so? My answers would be No/Probably not(a dog, maybe, but a cow?)/Chances are, only by being food.

Even if all butchers did do that, trogdor, if it was the only or best option, I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with that. Basically I would say an equation of worth goes like this. Human=Human. Animal<Human. Animal suffering<Human suffering. Animal suffering<human. Animal suffering>human laziness. Human laziness<Human.

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I don't even know where to BEGIN with your post.  What to pick apart and destroy first...choices choices...

EDIT:  Eh, I was going to leave it at that since it pretty much already spoke for itself, but I'm bored.

Animals and humans are completely different beings.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but humans are classified as animals.  STRIKE ONE!

As for eating meat or using fur for clothing, I think I need the meat far more than the animal will.

Yes, clearly your need to eat meat is far more important then the animal's need to LIVE.  STRIKE TWO!

First, the animal(say a cow) is going to do what?

Live, for example.

Is it going to make the world a better place?

It's not going to make the world a worse place.  That already brings it above a human being.

Is it going to make a positive difference in the life of a sentient being?

Ironic you state this, as animals are SENTIENT BEINGS.  I love the positive difference you're making in the life of a sentient being AS YOU KILL IT.

Is it even going to have a chance to do so?

Not after it was kept caged all its life only to be killed for your food and fur coats, no, I don't think it had much of a chance to begin with.

STRIKE THREE!  YOU'RE OUT!

Basically I would say an equation of worth goes like this. Human=Human. Animal<Human. Animal suffering<Human suffering. Animal suffering<human. Animal suffering>human laziness. Human laziness<Human.

Might want to check your math, bucko.

Let me clarify something for you, in case you haven't noticed.  You're a sack of meat and bones, just like every other creature.  You're not special.  You can think well (and for a lot of humans, that's debatable)?  Guess what.  !@#$ing birds can fly.  Can you do that?  Cheetahs can run about 60 MPH.  Can you do that?  A gorilla could bench-press your ass.  Can you do that?  Fish can breathe under water.  Can you do that?

Get off your !@#$ing pedestal.

And for the record, I eat meat.  I like meat.  It's called the food chain.  But I don't go getting all high-and-mighty over it.  If a lion tried to eat my ass, I wouldn't complain about it afterward if I survived, cause that's how nature works.  Granted, I would also try to prevent it from happening, because I like to SURVIVE.  That's ALSO how nature works.  For OTHER animals, as well.  And like Lingus was saying, once the choice is available, the choice between eating meat with or without killing other SENTIENT LIVING BEINGS, the obvious one is to pick the one that brings about the least suffering.

The fact that human beings are one of the only species that decides to act like a cruel asshole for no good reason, I think that pretty much already refutes your sense of superiority.

[Jackabomb]

I'm not particularly against hunting for fun. It's not cruel as most hunters use shotguns(how I hate those devices), resulting in an almost instant death. The example I'm thinking of is when my brother went hunting with my dad early Sunday morning. He shot and killed two small birds. Did he eat them? No. Did their death really serve a purpose? Not particularly.

No apologies to chaos at this point.



Sausage is NOT the worst meat on the planet! The worst meat on the planet is indisputably spam.

[ARTgames]

Human values are not values of life in general. Or at least we don't know. Just want to make that clear.

[Chaos]

Sausage is NOT the worst meat on the planet! The worst meat on the planet is indisputably spam.

OBJECTION!

EDIT:  Incidentally, I realize my previous post sounds fairly harsh, but I'm passionate about destroying ignorance.

[Trogdor]

First and foremost, I did not at all want to impress upon you all not to eat animals. That's your decision, and I respect that. Mr Pwnage erred, so I corrected him.

Now, on to your post.

Do you really think that every butcher does this?

No, I do not believe every butcher does this. The video in one of my previous posts was of a few isolated slaughter houses, probably near the worse in the US just to get the shock value. I'm fairly certain these few slaughter houses have been shut down.

I'm not that naive, but the chance of me consuming meat from a cow who was lifted by his hind-legs and had his throat slit is rare

You contradict yourself. This procedure is done to drain the blood from the flesh of the animal, making the processing, packaging, and preserving of the meat that much cleaner and faster. It's not done just for the hell of it.

Forget not the fact that if your head is severed from the body, that you immediately lose your sense of touch, with the separation of your spinal column that contains the most important parts of your nervous system.  You're not likely to feel much at all upon having that happen, and I guarantee you won't live long at all.

This would be true if we were talking about human beings. However, this is not the case. When you decapitate a chicken, it's easy to miss some of the lower brain still in the neck. Thanks to their nervous systems being much lower than that of a human, this small bit of brain stem is enough to keep the chicken functioning, albeit a short time.

Edit: I was going to comment on your post Jackabomb, but Chaos beat me to it. I couldn't have said it better myself.

[ARTgames]

Edit:
I don't think i can post what i think about "meat" in a short post.

[God-I-Suck]

Sausage is NOT the worst meat on the planet! The worst meat on the planet is indisputably spam.

OBJECTION!

EDIT:  Incidentally, I realize my previous post sounds fairly harsh, but I'm passionate about destroying ignorance.

Hey.. Sausage is good, and spam is delicious.

Anyways, that poor dog. ):

[Lingus]

1) I made reference that we can survive without meat.

2) I don't hunt myself. I don't oppose hunting when the animal is killed for use. I say hunt for a reason, not killing for sport.

3) Humans haven't just been eating meat because we like it. If we decided to stop eating meats 100's of years ago, those people probably would have died off, due to our lack of understanding. Yeah, we have the understanding now. But it is still in our blood to be omnivores.

4) I'm talking about being vegan/vegetarian, for the sake of the animals. Why do you care about the animal in question? We have to survive somehow.

5) The entire growing meat in a vat is years off. I read the same article about it, and the scientists said "We are about 5 years off from having this meat meet the same quality of sausage". SAUSAGE. The worst meat out on the planet.

EDIT: Please read my posts before making assumptions like that. In fact, I can't see anything in your post about what I said that was ridiculous. All you mentioned was that we can survive without meat; I said there are plants that mimic that.... and that is about it for "whats ridiculous in my post".

You're way off. I did read your whole post. Get over yourself. You say you made reference that we can survive without meat. So why are you continuing to say we need it to survive. We don't... and I'm not even talking about vat meat. I actually said beans, nuts, etc. Soy bean in particular is a massive source of protien. And there are plenty others. So I say to YOU, read MY posts before responding...

And what the hell is wrong with not eating meat for the sake of the animal? People care a lot about animals. I would bet most animals are better people than most people.

[Torch]

I don't know why, but I have no problem with any inhumane treatment of animals (cats are an exception). I love meat and I see no reason why we shouldn't kill animals for meat. There is no benefit to not eating meat or refusing to buy fur coats.

My opinion on the matter is that people should be able to decide for themselves what rights they want to give to animals and not try to enforce their own moral codes. If you don't like killing animals, by all means don't kill animals, but don't make it a problem for everyone else.

[Delicious]

I don't know why, but I have no problem with any inhumane treatment of any animals except cats and huskys. I love meat and I see no reason why we shouldn't kill animals for meat when it tastes so good. There is no benefit to not eating meat or refusing to by fur coats, all that does is inconvenience you.

I agree that humans are, like any other animal out there, killers to another species (And our own at times). I also agree that I can't bare to watch dogs nor cats get treated horribly from all the other animals out there, maybe because we grown so close to them as our house pets.

Animal testing is a major problem as well... Has anyone seen the video with the cat that was put into a tank and given LSD? I mean, we don't need knowledge on what would happen if a cat was high on a drug such as that. There are plenty other useless tests done for the sake of doing them, and it's disgusting. Animals do not deserve to be tested with our chemicals.  :'(

[Torch]

I don't know why, but I have no problem with any inhumane treatment of any animals except cats and huskys. I love meat and I see no reason why we shouldn't kill animals for meat when it tastes so good. There is no benefit to not eating meat or refusing to by fur coats, all that does is inconvenience you.

I agree that humans are, like any other animal out there, killers to another species (And our own at times). I also agree that I can't bare to watch dogs nor cats get treated horribly from all the other animals out there, maybe because we grown so close to them as our house pets.

Animal testing is a major problem as well... Has anyone seen the video with the cat that was put into a tank and given LSD? I mean, we don't need knowledge on what would happen if a cat was high on a drug such as that. There are plenty other useless tests done for the sake of doing them, and it's disgusting. Animals do not deserve to be tested with our chemicals.  :'(

All species care more for their own species than others. This is natural. It is better for us that the effects of drugs are tested on other animals than on humans.