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that onLIVE stuff

Started by ARTgames, December 29, 2009, 11:41:35 PM

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Jake

Quote from: Chaos on December 30, 2009, 10:24:31 PM
EDIT:  @Jake:  No you didn't.  "Drawing a conclusion with limited factors yields inaccurate results."  What factors, exactly, am I excluding from my conclusion?
Mind if you tell me what conclusion your trying to draw then? Were you simply making the post at face value, in which case paying money to own the game is better? Or were you alluding to the fact that onLIVE is an inferior service to actually buying copies because you pay to play and not own.

Chaos

I still whip out my PSP and start playing Super Mario Bros 3, and it's what, nearly 20 years since that game was released?  Do you know how frustrated I'd be if I couldn't do that because entire generations of gaming vanished from history?

@Jake:  Face value.  Paying money to own a game is better than paying money to just play it.
Jake says:
lol, I found God! He was hiding under a big rock this entire time that lil jokster

Jake

Quote from: Chaos on December 30, 2009, 10:38:38 PM
@Jake:  Face value.  Paying money to own a game is better than paying money to just play it.
Oh, then obviously I'd agree to that.

ARTgames

QuoteI still whip out my PSP and start playing Super Mario Bros 3, and it's what, nearly 20 years since that game was released?  Do you know how frustrated I'd be if I couldn't do that because entire generations of gaming vanished from history?

But do you really think that would happen? I don't. They would probably archive the stuff for that reason.

Chaos

Quote from: ARTgames on December 30, 2009, 10:52:22 PM
QuoteI still whip out my PSP and start playing Super Mario Bros 3, and it's what, nearly 20 years since that game was released?  Do you know how frustrated I'd be if I couldn't do that because entire generations of gaming vanished from history?

But do you really think that would happen? I don't. They would probably archive the stuff for that reason.

And when the company goes bankrupt?  What do you expect they do with it all, release it on the internet as freeware?  Somehow, I don't see that happening.
Jake says:
lol, I found God! He was hiding under a big rock this entire time that lil jokster

ARTgames

#50
Quote from: Chaos on December 30, 2009, 10:56:48 PM
Quote from: ARTgames on December 30, 2009, 10:52:22 PM
QuoteI still whip out my PSP and start playing Super Mario Bros 3, and it's what, nearly 20 years since that game was released?  Do you know how frustrated I'd be if I couldn't do that because entire generations of gaming vanished from history?

But do you really think that would happen? I don't. They would probably archive the stuff for that reason.

And when the company goes bankrupt?  What do you expect they do with it all, release it on the internet as freeware?  Somehow, I don't see that happening.

Its better than what we are doing how. Wasting all these recourse's to make all this hardware and game disks and them shipping them every ware. We are going to run out one day of the recourse's to do this. And we are not recycling them if we are storing them.

I think that some one will step in and take those games and store them or if they are old realises them. This is getting into a tuff zone and is almost worth of a topic in its self. Im done for today but i will come back to this topic tomaro.

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QuoteChris says:
If they made this a service as is, but integrated a system like Steam were people could also download the games to run off their own computers
Hell, I would have NO problem with it.
I'd love it.
I really did not read the chat logs. But if anything i do like this.

Lingus

All I have to say on this is that Steam SHOULD have taken over for standard PC games distribution. It is SOOO much more cost effective for game developers to digitally distribute their games via Steam. But, this hasn't happened. And I don't actually see it happening. Simply because enough people have the same mindset as Chaos does.

Now if Steam can't even put the standard game distribution model out of business, I don't see how an even more extreme version will do it. You'll have not only the people who want physical copies of the game not wanting it, but you'll also have people who at least want a digital copy stored on their own machine. If you can't even do that, there's no way the entire gaming industry will switch over to this technology. They would be losing out a massive section of their consumer base.

We can't argue that some people will gain benefit from this technology. But we can argue that it is most likely not going to end gaming as we know it...

ARTgames

yeah ok. I did take quite a big of an extream look at this stuff. And with some of my other thoughts of aside (tree stuff) i do like how things are and i want PC gaming, blue ray, PS3/xbox/wii gaming to still be here.

VolcomPunk

Quote from: Chaos on December 30, 2009, 10:56:48 PM

And when the company goes bankrupt?  What do you expect they do with it all, release it on the internet as freeware?  Somehow, I don't see that happening.


I saw interest in this topic, being an avid gamer myself. As well, I do take interest in games of the previous generation(s). But you talk about all of these companies going bankrupt. I don't believe that any company really goes bankrupt, so much as having their products replaced by something more modern. For example, the Atari was replaced by the Nintendo, and the Nintendo was replaced by the Sega, and the Sega was replaced by the Playstation, and so on and so forth. But even though the Nintendo company had their biggest product replaced, the company itself still runs strong to this day. But that was just a point I wanted to make. I do believe, however, that onLive will go bankrupt only because it is being replaced by a more technologically advanced system. onLive differs from most systems because it is run completely by a server, which costs money to run. When it starts to lose customers, it starts to lose revenue because there are less people paying to play, which would mean the company would be unable to pay to run the server due to the lack of money. This would cause the company to shut it down, which, simply put, would mean bye bye to onLive.

Mind you, this is only my opinion. I don't believe this to be the absolute truth, because anything is likely.

ARTgames

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=859
review. There a lot more out there and i think it would be cool if you link to them!

Jake

Quote from: ARTgames on January 21, 2010, 06:55:36 PM
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=859
review. There a lot more out there and i think it would be cool if you link to them!
That review was done under less than optimal conditions. He was twice as far away from the data centers as they want you to be, yet was still able to play the games with a relatively low input delay, which I think is amazing.

Lingus

I'm still curious if being closer to the servers wouldn't give you some kind of latency. It has to. Internet just isn't that fast yet... well, for a majority of people. I'm sure faster broadband will be more widespread some time in the near future, but I don't think it's there yet. Some people will be able to play at optimal conditions... but a large majority of people might not.

ARTgames

kind of impressive for first gen stuff. Are internet will just get faster (i hope) and if this stays in business it will also.

Lingus

I'm curious how much your graphics card affects performance. You can't have a crappy card. There has to be some kind of minimum or recommended requirement... I get how the CPU and memory can be low, but you still need some kind of graphics (not that it will use your graphics card to render, but you still need something decent to display the graphics at high enough resolution and color depth).

ARTgames

Well if you can play back video fine then you should be ok. Anything made in the last 4 years should have no trouble. They can get it to run on a iphone if that means anything to you.

Quotebut you still need something decent to display the graphics....color depth
That's like asking if a gas station is pay at the pump. That's nothing to worry about.