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Quote from: Lingus on July 30, 2010, 01:08:37 PM

Quote from: Chaos on July 29, 2010, 10:49:40 PM

Quote from: LeGuy on July 29, 2010, 08:46:47 PM
In a realistic or practical sense this view is absurd, but morally I think if everyone held the same respect for others that they did for themselves we would be living in a lot better world.

Morally, I think if we eliminated money and did things for the joy of doing them and helping others because they need it, we would be living in a lot better world.

I like that you qualified this with "Morally". To be honest, in a practical sense, we'd probably be living in a much much worse world. Who would honestly choose to do some of the crap jobs there are in the world just because they enjoy it? The "helping others because they need it" part of your statement is all well and good, but in all practicality, there's some jobs that are utter shit to have to do, and the only reason people do them now is because they either can't get a different job, or because they get paid enough to do it. If everyone had the option to just do what they want and they were able to have the things they need such as shelter and food and clothing and entertainment, there'd be no trash pickup, no sewage workers, etc etc.

Unless people just did those things through a sense of duty to the society as a whole. I guess there'd have to be some kind of deal where everyone would do a crap job every so often and then get to switch out and do something they enjoy the rest of the time.

Robotics. 

"WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY!"  :P

@Torch:  That's only because society is raised to be selfish bastards.

@LeGuy:  No, that wasn't in confliction with your statement, I was just playing off your words and sentence structure.

@Jake:  Neither do I, because see reply to Torch.  But it DEFINITELY won't happen if we don't even TRY to make make things better.

And who is going to do the crappy job of fighting the robots when they become self aware? HMM?

Quote from: Chaos on July 30, 2010, 01:48:56 PMRobotics. 

"WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY!"  :P

Well, we're getting close. Not quite there yet... But maybe by the time robotics allows us to replace crap job workers with robots then our society will decide to work with one another. I doubt it though. More than likely everyone who used to do those jobs will just become homeless, and everyone who can afford to have robots will become ultra rich. Eventually, you'd just have a small elite upper class with their robot workers, and a massive swarm of lower class street people.

That's the world I want to live in... >.>

In a way it does kinda kill the media buisness, many bands depend on record labels to give them money for stuff, if their albums dont sell then the record company wont keep them on.


Sorry if this has been mentioned but I havent read through all the stuff.  If it has then feel free to ignore me.

Quote from: Kbob32 on August 05, 2010, 01:58:25 AM
In a way it does kinda kill the media buisness, many bands depend on record labels to give them money for stuff, if their albums dont sell then the record company wont keep them on.


Sorry if this has been mentioned but I havent read through all the stuff.  If it has then feel free to ignore me.

Actually, I believe it was mentioned that a lot of artists don't make their money on record sales. The record companies do. But you're right that if the albums don't sell the record companies won't sign. What this does though is puts the record companies in danger. The artists can continue to put their music out in any form they want, become popular and put on shows where they actually make the most money. So the artists are probably fine... Although, maybe the crappy artists are in danger who rely on their "studio" talent, become popular on the radio, and then put on massive shows that distract you from how crappy they actually are... but that's a good thing.

Quote from: Lingus on August 05, 2010, 12:33:37 PM

Quote from: Kbob32 on August 05, 2010, 01:58:25 AM
In a way it does kinda kill the media buisness, many bands depend on record labels to give them money for stuff, if their albums dont sell then the record company wont keep them on.


Sorry if this has been mentioned but I havent read through all the stuff.  If it has then feel free to ignore me.

Actually, I believe it was mentioned that a lot of artists don't make their money on record sales. The record companies do. But you're right that if the albums don't sell the record companies won't sign. What this does though is puts the record companies in danger. The artists can continue to put their music out in any form they want, become popular and put on shows where they actually make the most money. So the artists are probably fine... Although, maybe the crappy artists are in danger who rely on their "studio" talent, become popular on the radio, and then put on massive shows that distract you from how crappy they actually are... but that's a good thing.

Damn skippy.

I did have a reply to your last post, btw, Lingus, but I couldn't be arsed to type it all out.

Summarized Version:  Yeah, that's only if we as individuals allow that to happen.  Which probably would, considering how much the government LOVES sucking the big companies off.  I've always said that, if someone invented a machine that could perfectly duplicate matter, how much you want to bet the companies would be fuming and wanting to regulate the shit out of it because "IT'S GOING TO COST US MONEY AND BUSINESS" cause people don't have to buy their product when they can just copy it.  (Beginning to sound like a familiar situation?)  Alternatively, we could NOT regulate the shit out of it, potentially do away with the entire monetary system, and have solved world hunger, and allow people to live much more comfortable lives with free and easy access to any resource they need.  But, of course, that would require an entire societal change, and we know how evil THAT concept is, amirite?

But yeah, that's another reason I tend to support the ability to pirate.  Suddenly, it's returning a lot of power back to the individual that the company REALLY doesn't want you to have.  Suddenly, they can't get away with making a shitty, half-arsed product, and expecting it to make money.  *COUGHSIMS3WORLDADVENTURESCOUGH*  (srsly, wish I had pirated that, but I loved the Sim series too much at the time.  Then I wouldn't have felt ripped off 30-40 dollars when I discovered the half-arsed, broken, buggy mess of code they threw into a box and shipped out.  I can tell you right now, they didn't get the same love and trust from me when Sims 3 Ambitions came out, the wankers.)

Ah.  Even the summarized version ended up not being very short.  Ah well.

Yea, I mean, that was essentially my mindset when I posted that. It doesn't have to happen that way, but it probably would given what we know about society.

Interesting you should bring up duplicating matter... Think about 3D printers. (If you don't know what this is, it is basically a printer that uses different methods to "print" a physical object in 3 dimensions. So you can theoretically print an iPod.) When the technology gets to the point of being able to reproduce anything, including all of the electronics and all of that, you could have pirating of actual devices. All you would need is the file that holds the schematics, and you can print off as many copies of a device that you want, in your own home. That's going to get really tricky.

Quote from: Lingus on August 05, 2010, 08:14:43 PM
Yea, I mean, that was essentially my mindset when I posted that. It doesn't have to happen that way, but it probably would given what we know about society.

Interesting you should bring up duplicating matter... Think about 3D printers. (If you don't know what this is, it is basically a printer that uses different methods to "print" a physical object in 3 dimensions. So you can theoretically print an iPod.) When the technology gets to the point of being able to reproduce anything, including all of the electronics and all of that, you could have pirating of actual devices. All you would need is the file that holds the schematics, and you can print off as many copies of a device that you want, in your own home. That's going to get really tricky.

I read that somewhere, and although printing out 3d objects is definitely realistic, printing out real working devices doesn't sound plausible in the least bit. Wouldn't that require unlimited natural materials? There are parts, especially in electronics, that are more expensive simply because they're made out of rare natural materials. How are they gonna get around that one?

Quote from: Jake on August 06, 2010, 12:22:04 AM

Quote from: Lingus on August 05, 2010, 08:14:43 PM
Yea, I mean, that was essentially my mindset when I posted that. It doesn't have to happen that way, but it probably would given what we know about society.

Interesting you should bring up duplicating matter... Think about 3D printers. (If you don't know what this is, it is basically a printer that uses different methods to "print" a physical object in 3 dimensions. So you can theoretically print an iPod.) When the technology gets to the point of being able to reproduce anything, including all of the electronics and all of that, you could have pirating of actual devices. All you would need is the file that holds the schematics, and you can print off as many copies of a device that you want, in your own home. That's going to get really tricky.

I read that somewhere, and although printing out 3d objects is definitely realistic, printing out real working devices doesn't sound plausible in the least bit. Wouldn't that require unlimited natural materials? There are parts, especially in electronics, that are more expensive simply because they're made out of rare natural materials. How are they gonna get around that one?

15 years ago, 16MB of portable disk space was unheard of.  Today (15 measly years later), I own a 2TB USB external hard-drive.  Don't ask that kind of question, you never know.

Totally agree with Scott there. The rate at which technology advances is pretty staggering. And it's exponential, so it makes it even more crazy. I see what you're saying though Jake. In order to create something you need the raw materials required. Currently they're just making stuff composed entirely out of some kind of plastic like material. It's basically like a gel or powder I think, and then they use some method to harden it in a specific pattern, layer by layer. So the most complex you could make a machine would be using basic parts like gears and the like. Simple electronics wouldn't be too difficult once they figure out how to use more than one material at a time. They would just include some kind of conductive material. But you never know how far they could go with this.

Technology is advancing faster than "pretty staggering". I found this chart once as I was googling random stuff that showed the worlds technological advancements as far back as they can get. Basically what the chart showed was within the past 100 years, we have made more "amounts" of advancements technologically then the previous 200 or so years. So this is the fastest we have ever advanced in the worlds timeline.

Which is exactly what I meant by "exponential". We are progressing faster than the past, and in the future we will be progressing faster than we are now. This is Moore's Law.

Well it makes sense. We invent things to help us invent things quicker. On top of that our population increases giving us even more people to help invent things to help us invent things to make things faster. Although I've never actually heard of moore's law. lol

Quote from: Scotty on August 06, 2010, 02:22:25 AM
15 years ago, 16MB of portable disk space was unheard of.  Today (15 measly years later), I own a 2TB USB external hard-drive.  Don't ask that kind of question, you never know.

You're talking about a linear progression of technology that was bound to happen. Re-producing raw materials without scarcity is a whole different and MUCH more complex science. I'm not saying it's not possible, but it isn't plausible and won't be for some time to come.

Quote from: Jake on August 07, 2010, 12:06:48 AM

Quote from: Scotty on August 06, 2010, 02:22:25 AM
15 years ago, 16MB of portable disk space was unheard of.  Today (15 measly years later), I own a 2TB USB external hard-drive.  Don't ask that kind of question, you never know.

You're talking about a linear progression of technology that was bound to happen. Re-producing raw materials without scarcity is a whole different and MUCH more complex science. I'm not saying it's not possible, but it isn't plausible and won't be for some time to come.

I think the point was that, don't be so sure on the 'for some time to come' part.