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Started by Delicious, July 30, 2009, 08:50:24 PM

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ARTgames

Quote from: Torch on October 04, 2009, 09:44:53 AM
Reincarnation is a Hindu belief. In Hinduism, what animal you come back as is based on karma. If you follow the Hindu moral code well, you will come back as a human, if you do not, you will come back as an unpleasant animal or something like that.

Form what i learned from school was the main idea of Hinduism was to achieve nirvana. And to do that you haft to work your way up the cast system. And how you move on the system is based on your life's karma when you die. Then you are ether moved up or down when you are reborn. And you can come back as an animal. But i believe that's one of the lower levels like the untouchables.

EpicPhailure

Quote from: Mr Pwnage on October 04, 2009, 03:53:24 AM
Quote from: Syco on October 03, 2009, 11:02:32 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on August 01, 2009, 02:42:31 PM
Oh pitiful Humans...
If only you knew.

I'm not reading 300 posts to get to the end, and I found this post Lucifer did was Lolworthy so I stopped here :) ...About the topic...I like to think that...*Sigh*...We should all try to live or lifes without regret, we should try to make the best out of things, and, for the believers of Heaven and Hell, we will heed the words of the bible and the everlasting revelations we have held within our minds for so long, that when we die, we go into a state as if we were sleeping, and as some of you may know, usually the last thought inside your head that you have is usually what your more likely to dream about, and if you know that you've lived a consecrated life, and you feel worthy of such a fate, you will dream of being in a Shangri-La,(Heaven)...So yeah, my ideas may be far fetched, but !@#$ you...I'll try not to regret saying that lol...And for you athiests..."I hope when you die your body turns to fertilizer and you grow into a tree. The a lumberjack can come chop you down, and make you into paper. Then I hope some people print the !@#$ing Bible on you." - Dane Cook.....It may not be an exact quote but I can't remember it from the top of my head OK?!
Isn't this the same kid who stole Venuse's sprites and claimed them his own? Is this the same kid who can't type a post without cursing like a sailor? If so, than his integrity is already out of the question...just ignore this disrespectful garbage.

On a completely new note...I want to pose something for discussion:
Anyone here believe in reincarnation? I actually used to believe this for some time...not exactly sure why. For those of you who don't know what it is...it's when you come back to life in a different form/body. Like I come back to life as a chicken after i die, etc.

Yeah like Pat said, if we all reincarnated into different beings then how would the global population be increasing? That would mean for each birth, there would have to be a death to accomodate. That's how I see it.

Syco

Quote from: Mr Pwnage on October 04, 2009, 03:53:24 AM
Isn't this the same kid who stole Venuse's sprites and claimed them his own? Is this the same kid who can't type a post without cursing like a sailor? If so, than his integrity is already out of the question...just ignore this disrespectful garbage.

On a completely new note...I want to pose something for discussion:
Anyone here believe in reincarnation? I actually used to believe this for some time...not exactly sure why. For those of you who don't know what it is...it's when you come back to life in a different form/body. Like I come back to life as a chicken after i die, etc.

1st off...Your being a dick, just stop now...

2nd...My grandma (Who died of really bad diabetes 2 years ago) use to talk about reincarnation alot with me, like I'd ask her what happens after we die, and she would say that we would be reborn as a whole new person but will have no memmory of anything in our past life, if we were worthy...But if not then, well, we go to hell...and she had been Christian here whole life and so am I...Are Christians even suppose to believe in reincarnation ftw lol...Anywho she had been going to church pretty much every single day of her life, or whenever she could...Sooo, I took her words of wisdom in consideration...

3rd...I hope you do get reincarnated as a chicken...

Mystery

Quote from: Syco on October 04, 2009, 12:06:47 PM
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on October 04, 2009, 03:53:24 AM
Isn't this the same kid who stole Venuse's sprites and claimed them his own? Is this the same kid who can't type a post without cursing like a sailor? If so, than his integrity is already out of the question...just ignore this disrespectful garbage.

On a completely new note...I want to pose something for discussion:
Anyone here believe in reincarnation? I actually used to believe this for some time...not exactly sure why. For those of you who don't know what it is...it's when you come back to life in a different form/body. Like I come back to life as a chicken after i die, etc.

1st off...Your being a dick, just stop now...

3rd...I hope you do get reincarnated as a chicken...
Just stop insulting already. This discussion was perfectly civil until you came. And in my opinion, that Dane Cook joke is not funny at all. I do like most of his, though.

Quote from: ARTgames on October 04, 2009, 10:24:32 AM
Quote from: Torch on October 04, 2009, 09:44:53 AM
Reincarnation is a Hindu belief. In Hinduism, what animal you come back as is based on karma. If you follow the Hindu moral code well, you will come back as a human, if you do not, you will come back as an unpleasant animal or something like that.

Form what i learned from school was the main idea of Hinduism was to achieve nirvana. And to do that you haft to work your way up the cast system. And how you move on the system is based on your life's karma when you die. Then you are ether moved up or down when you are reborn. And you can come back as an animal. But i believe that's one of the lower levels like the untouchables.
Hinduism is extremely similar to Buddhism. Same goal, similar beliefs. The only difference is some of their rules and the fact Hindus believe in 3 gods while Buddhists don't.
AKA Paradox/EnragedDeity/Occurrence.
Quote from: Medgar Evers
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

Torch

Quote from: EpicPhailure on October 04, 2009, 11:06:09 AM
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on October 04, 2009, 03:53:24 AM
Quote from: Syco on October 03, 2009, 11:02:32 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on August 01, 2009, 02:42:31 PM
Oh pitiful Humans...
If only you knew.

I'm not reading 300 posts to get to the end, and I found this post Lucifer did was Lolworthy so I stopped here :) ...About the topic...I like to think that...*Sigh*...We should all try to live or lifes without regret, we should try to make the best out of things, and, for the believers of Heaven and Hell, we will heed the words of the bible and the everlasting revelations we have held within our minds for so long, that when we die, we go into a state as if we were sleeping, and as some of you may know, usually the last thought inside your head that you have is usually what your more likely to dream about, and if you know that you've lived a consecrated life, and you feel worthy of such a fate, you will dream of being in a Shangri-La,(Heaven)...So yeah, my ideas may be far fetched, but !@#$ you...I'll try not to regret saying that lol...And for you athiests..."I hope when you die your body turns to fertilizer and you grow into a tree. The a lumberjack can come chop you down, and make you into paper. Then I hope some people print the !@#$ing Bible on you." - Dane Cook.....It may not be an exact quote but I can't remember it from the top of my head OK?!
Isn't this the same kid who stole Venuse's sprites and claimed them his own? Is this the same kid who can't type a post without cursing like a sailor? If so, than his integrity is already out of the question...just ignore this disrespectful garbage.

On a completely new note...I want to pose something for discussion:
Anyone here believe in reincarnation? I actually used to believe this for some time...not exactly sure why. For those of you who don't know what it is...it's when you come back to life in a different form/body. Like I come back to life as a chicken after i die, etc.

Yeah like Pat said, if we all reincarnated into different beings then how would the global population be increasing? That would mean for each birth, there would have to be a death to accomodate. That's how I see it.
Reincarnation is interspecies. A human could be reborn as a giraffe or something. You'd have to take into account the global population of all organisms, not just humans.

Lingus

Even so, isn't it possible that the religions that believe in reincarnation also believe that some spirits are new? That they have never lived in a body before? I'm not sure if that's the case, but there has to be fluctuations in the total population of living organisms over the span of the Earth. Especially considering at one point there were none. Of course, you could include potential alien populations... but the same case could be said about that. At some point there were no living organisms in the Universe.

Anyways, my thoughts on reincarnation is that, while possible, I don't believe it exists in the sense that some people will have vague memories of their past life. My early posts will explain why I think this. There would no method for transferring those memories from one brain to another. If it exists, the soul would not contain memories... at least not in the sense that we would think of them. With that said, if the soul exists and it is a persistant object, there's no reason why it couldn't go on to inhabit the body of another organism.

The thing is, a lot of this assumes that the soul is a real thing. I think a lot of people nowadays tend to take that for granted. I'm curious how many people believe that we have a soul. I personally reserve judgement. My opinion on it, like a lot of things in this topic, is that it's possible, but there's no way for us to know for certain. I can't tell if I have a soul or if my thoughts and feelings are merely the result of brain activity. The deeper I dig into myself, the more ambiguous it becomes. Has anyone else had similar experience? For those that believe in the soul, do animals have them or just humans?

Mystery

Quote from: Lingus on October 04, 2009, 01:52:08 PM
Even so, isn't it possible that the religions that believe in reincarnation also believe that some spirits are new? That they have never lived in a body before? I'm not sure if that's the case, but there has to be fluctuations in the total population of living organisms over the span of the Earth. Especially considering at one point there were none. Of course, you could include potential alien populations... but the same case could be said about that. At some point there were no living organisms in the Universe.

Anyways, my thoughts on reincarnation is that, while possible, I don't believe it exists in the sense that some people will have vague memories of their past life. My early posts will explain why I think this. There would no method for transferring those memories from one brain to another. If it exists, the soul would not contain memories... at least not in the sense that we would think of them. With that said, if the soul exists and it is a persistant object, there's no reason why it couldn't go on to inhabit the body of another organism.

The thing is, a lot of this assumes that the soul is a real thing. I think a lot of people nowadays tend to take that for granted. I'm curious how many people believe that we have a soul. I personally reserve judgement. My opinion on it, like a lot of things in this topic, is that it's possible, but there's no way for us to know for certain. I can't tell if I have a soul or if my thoughts and feelings are merely the result of brain activity. The deeper I dig into myself, the more ambiguous it becomes. Has anyone else had similar experience? For those that believe in the soul, do animals have them or just humans?
Some religions say only humans have souls, while ones believing in reincarnation say all living things have one. I personally don't believe in that, but I believe in essence of things, which is my Druid side.(You know, we're all made up of 'essence', atoms, we are made of carbon, iron, and oxygen with other things while so are some inanimate objects, all the same matter mixed to make different things, and some of the mixtures can physically support life.)
AKA Paradox/EnragedDeity/Occurrence.
Quote from: Medgar Evers
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

Lingus

That's kind of a cryptic response. So you believe we're made up of atoms. Is that what the "essense" is, or is that something less tangible? If so what is the difference between "essense" and a soul? I think it's important to define these things. It may just be semantics, but at the same time I think people throw terms like "soul" around too easily. What one person or group sees the soul as might be different for another person or group. One group's view might be so different that they have come up with a different term for it. Though, it's also likely that the difference in term is due to the language of origin.

Chaos

Quote from: Syco on October 04, 2009, 12:06:47 PM
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on October 04, 2009, 03:53:24 AM
Isn't this the same kid who stole Venuse's sprites and claimed them his own? Is this the same kid who can't type a post without cursing like a sailor? If so, than his integrity is already out of the question...just ignore this disrespectful garbage.

On a completely new note...I want to pose something for discussion:
Anyone here believe in reincarnation? I actually used to believe this for some time...not exactly sure why. For those of you who don't know what it is...it's when you come back to life in a different form/body. Like I come back to life as a chicken after i die, etc.

1st off...Your being a dick, just stop now...

2nd...My grandma (Who died of really bad diabetes 2 years ago) use to talk about reincarnation alot with me, like I'd ask her what happens after we die, and she would say that we would be reborn as a whole new person but will have no memmory of anything in our past life, if we were worthy...But if not then, well, we go to hell...and she had been Christian here whole life and so am I...Are Christians even suppose to believe in reincarnation ftw lol...Anywho she had been going to church pretty much every single day of her life, or whenever she could...Sooo, I took her words of wisdom in consideration...

3rd...I hope you do get reincarnated as a chicken...

If you cannot maintain civilized conversation, then I kindly ask you to leave now.  Next time will not be so kindly, and it WILL include a report to a moderator.  Once again:

QuoteI'll be damned if this perfectly civil discussion will be ruined now.  Cease all douchery this instant.
Jake says:
lol, I found God! He was hiding under a big rock this entire time that lil jokster

Mystery

Quote from: Lingus on October 04, 2009, 10:49:34 PM
That's kind of a cryptic response. So you believe we're made up of atoms. Is that what the "essense" is, or is that something less tangible? If so what is the difference between "essense" and a soul? I think it's important to define these things. It may just be semantics, but at the same time I think people throw terms like "soul" around too easily. What one person or group sees the soul as might be different for another person or group. One group's view might be so different that they have come up with a different term for it. Though, it's also likely that the difference in term is due to the language of origin.
Actually, it wasn't cryptic at all. It was literal. Pretty much:

Essence= Atoms

Everything is made up of atoms, we are made of the same elements as air and some rocks and other things, but mixed differently and we can physically support life.
AKA Paradox/EnragedDeity/Occurrence.
Quote from: Medgar Evers
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

Lingus

Quote from: Mystery on October 05, 2009, 04:44:38 PM
Quote from: Lingus on October 04, 2009, 10:49:34 PM
That's kind of a cryptic response. So you believe we're made up of atoms. Is that what the "essense" is, or is that something less tangible? If so what is the difference between "essense" and a soul? I think it's important to define these things. It may just be semantics, but at the same time I think people throw terms like "soul" around too easily. What one person or group sees the soul as might be different for another person or group. One group's view might be so different that they have come up with a different term for it. Though, it's also likely that the difference in term is due to the language of origin.
Actually, it wasn't cryptic at all. It was literal. Pretty much:

Essence= Atoms

Everything is made up of atoms, we are made of the same elements as air and some rocks and other things, but mixed differently and we can physically support life.
Oh... So that's kinda... really has nothing to do with a soul or similar concept does it? That's really a very hardcore scientific viewpoint. We're made up of organic material. Period.

Mystery

Quote from: Lingus on October 05, 2009, 07:33:10 PM
Quote from: Mystery on October 05, 2009, 04:44:38 PM
Quote from: Lingus on October 04, 2009, 10:49:34 PM
That's kind of a cryptic response. So you believe we're made up of atoms. Is that what the "essense" is, or is that something less tangible? If so what is the difference between "essense" and a soul? I think it's important to define these things. It may just be semantics, but at the same time I think people throw terms like "soul" around too easily. What one person or group sees the soul as might be different for another person or group. One group's view might be so different that they have come up with a different term for it. Though, it's also likely that the difference in term is due to the language of origin.
Actually, it wasn't cryptic at all. It was literal. Pretty much:

Essence= Atoms

Everything is made up of atoms, we are made of the same elements as air and some rocks and other things, but mixed differently and we can physically support life.
Oh... So that's kinda... really has nothing to do with a soul or similar concept does it? That's really a very hardcore scientific viewpoint. We're made up of organic material. Period.
If you want to be blunt, yes. That's exactly it. But I've always found peace and truth in nature, and I tend to use 'essence' and such more often as terms. Hence my slight druidness.
AKA Paradox/EnragedDeity/Occurrence.
Quote from: Medgar Evers
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.


Mr Pwnage

Quote from: ARTgames on October 10, 2009, 11:01:52 AM
http://awesome.good.is/transparency/web/0910/what-we-believe/flat.html

Interesting.
I can agree with that. I see that same trend in my friend's beliefs. It isn't necessarily a bad thing. People are taking advantage to believe what they want and not what a group of people are forcing them too. Big improvement from 200 years ago. Heh.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -Albert Einstein (1947)

http://www.benmward.com/projects.php

Lingus

Makes sense. In my own personal experience when two people marry from differen faith, their children tend to not be religious. Since it is more acceptable now for people to do that, it will happen more often.