Religion Thread 2.0

[Jake]

i dont know jake ide rather the rules of right and wrong stay the same as they are in the bible ; static and universal. Who knows thousands of years in the future our empathy might skewer based on how were raised and we will value life less or who knows. I think the bible was written by a couple of good people who were years ahead of their time and wanted to promote peace in the future the only way they could see how, lieng. Whether gods real or not or what people take the christian religion as i think its bettered humanity and its veiws and morals are near perfect for me.

Explain why it condones and 'justifies' rape, getting away with crimes, murder, wholesale slaughter, genocide, getting away with crimes if you have power, eternal punishment for finite crimes, blaming the victim in truly horrible crimes, treating women as inferior and wiping out an entire planet. Those are just off the top of my head; there's more than that.

And explain why the God(which is supposedly all that is good and perfect) in that book is the most psychopathic, horrific being I have known to date. Not even the worst fictional ones I can imagine stand up to him. Dormammu is nothing compared to 'the Father'.

Im not sure about rape and getting away with crimes are anywhere in the bible besides the whole repenting jazz, which i dont think should make you forgiven just maybe clear you're conscience. Although i do understand the treating women as inferior because thats how things were back then and i never said it was perfect. Through all the stories my dad has told me from the bible ive never ran into any talking about rape and wiping out the entire planet . Most of the ones he would tell me about had to do with jesus walking around curing diseases, teaching moral lessons, and how god unleashed plague and sickness onto the world because the first humans adam and eve fell to greed and !@#$ed wit his apple tree. Ive never heard of storys promoting rape and that shit but if you could find them in there and write them here it would be interesting to read and ide shut my trap.

I'll start with passages condoning rape and the punishment of rape victims.

Judges 21:10-24 NLT
Numbers 31:7-18 NLT
Deuteronomy 20:10-14
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT
Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB
2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB
Judges 5:30 NAB
Exodus 21:7-11 NLT
Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB

Also im not so sure god is a perfect being, but there is lots of good in the world and lots of bad. Maybe he cant control what he set in motion, who the !@#$ knows how it works you guys just cant assume everythings set out and predicted.

We don't claim to know how it works, that's what religious people do. If God cannot control what he set into motion, then he is not omnipotent. If he is not omnipotent, then there's no reason to call him God.

[Yankyal]

Also im not so sure god is a perfect being, but there is lots of good in the world and lots of bad. Maybe he cant control what he set in motion, who the !@#$ knows how it works you guys just cant assume everythings set out and predicted.

We don't claim to know how it works, that's what religious people do. If God cannot control what he set into motion, then he is not omnipotent. If he is not omnipotent, then there's no reason to call him God.

[TANK]

what would we call him then our creator, its pretty much the same thing. Who knows maybe he made it so things could spiral out of control and we could make our own decisions on purpose. Maybe he wanted us to live a free life where nothing is predetermined and we can evolve based on whatever random chaos he implemented, and maybe in a higher state of mind above ours that is omnipotent. We can form our own destiny based on what hes given us, and i think thats how it was intended to be. Hell maybe god created the planet and expected life but something intelligent came of it and completely surprised him. Maybe thats when he sent jesus down to set down some morals, or we just developed our good will and senses on our own because were social creatures. These kinds of things will never be solved, and even if you prove the bible is complete malarky it will never disprove that we dont have a god, so all this atheism ranting and arguing really gets anyone nowhere besides maybe making people doubt there faith that has provided a strong backbone and good will towards others. Really if half of some of the religious people realized that when we died there would be no consequences in hell and the only place we would get served is on earth there would be alot more abortions and alot more violence i think.

[DarkTrinity]

what would we call him then our creator, its pretty much the same thing. Who knows maybe he made it so things could spiral out of control and we could make our own decisions on purpose. Maybe he wanted us to live a free life where nothing is predetermined and we can evolve based on whatever random chaos he implemented, and maybe in a higher state of mind above ours that is omnipotent. We can form our own destiny based on what hes given us, and i think thats how it was intended to be. Hell maybe god created the planet and expected life but something intelligent came of it and completely surprised him. Maybe thats when he sent jesus down to set down some morals, or we just developed our good will and senses on our own because were social creatures. These kinds of things will never be solved, and even if you prove the bible is complete malarky it will never disprove that we dont have a god, so all this atheism ranting and arguing really gets anyone nowhere besides maybe making people doubt there faith that has provided a strong backbone and good will towards others. Really if half of some of the religious people realized that when we died there would be no consequences in hell and the only place we would get served is on earth there would be alot more abortions and alot more violence i think.

But it goes both ways.. All this christian ranting and arguing really gets nowhere, and none of it will ever prove there IS a god either. I'm atheist and my good will towards others is effing fantastic, I don't need religion for that. There are religious nut jobs who kill people too, just like there are atheists who wouldn't hurt a fly. I think it's more of who people are. But hey, if the thought of hell keeps some psycho religious people at bay, then more power to it.

[TANK]

i like the christian ranting and arguing better than athiest. Thats just because ide like to believe theres a god, an atheists point of veiw to me is depressing (just my op though, maybe to some people the thought of not knowing and understanding everything is depressing). I do agree that if people are good or not depends mostly on there chemistry, life experiences, and maybe how they were raised, but im sure some potentially bad people find religion and it gives them just the push they need.

[T-Rok]

My friend who was atheist told me this today. "I was atheist until I figured, what's the harm in thinking that God exists just in case he does. I don't lose anything, and I get a nice insurance policy just in case." It made me lul cause if you look at what many religions teach, it's true.

[Yankyal]

My friend who was atheist told me this today. "I was atheist until I figured, what's the harm in thinking that God exists just in case he does. I don't lose anything, and I get a nice insurance policy just in case." It made me lul cause if you look at what many religions teach, it's true.

An omnipotent god could easily tell if you are religious solely to avoid hell, and send you to hell anyways. Your mental freedom to a magical man in the sky whom you have no evidence of existing is what you lose.

Yes I'm fun at parties.

[T-Rok]

My friend who was atheist told me this today. "I was atheist until I figured, what's the harm in thinking that God exists just in case he does. I don't lose anything, and I get a nice insurance policy just in case." It made me lul cause if you look at what many religions teach, it's true.

An omnipotent god could easily tell if you are religious solely to avoid hell, and send you to hell anyways. Your mental freedom to a magical man in the sky whom you have no evidence of existing is what you lose.

Yes I'm fun at parties.

Lol, you ignore other details to promote your own agenda. I think you'd make a perfect politician. Should run for president bro. Actually, your country should vote for the Canada Party. Canada Party op and should be voted president. Then Canada will wear the pants in this relationship instead of you wearing the hat. ;)

[Mystery]

My friend who was atheist told me this today. "I was atheist until I figured, what's the harm in thinking that God exists just in case he does. I don't lose anything, and I get a nice insurance policy just in case." It made me lul cause if you look at what many religions teach, it's true.

This is called Pascal's Wager and it's completely fallacious.

This video does a very good job of talking about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZpJ7yUPwdU

[T-Rok]

My friend who was atheist told me this today. "I was atheist until I figured, what's the harm in thinking that God exists just in case he does. I don't lose anything, and I get a nice insurance policy just in case." It made me lul cause if you look at what many religions teach, it's true.

This is called Pascal's Wager and it's completely fallacious.

This video does a very good job of talking about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZpJ7yUPwdU

Oh sweet. I didn't know it was an actual thing. Thanks for that.

[Jake]

what would we call him then our creator, its pretty much the same thing. Who knows maybe he made it so things could spiral out of control and we could make our own decisions on purpose. Maybe he wanted us to live a free life where nothing is predetermined and we can evolve based on whatever random chaos he implemented, and maybe in a higher state of mind above ours that is omnipotent. We can form our own destiny based on what hes given us, and i think thats how it was intended to be. Hell maybe god created the planet and expected life but something intelligent came of it and completely surprised him. Maybe thats when he sent jesus down to set down some morals, or we just developed our good will and senses on our own because were social creatures. These kinds of things will never be solved, and even if you prove the bible is complete malarky it will never disprove that we dont have a god, so all this atheism ranting and arguing really gets anyone nowhere besides maybe making people doubt there faith that has provided a strong backbone and good will towards others. Really if half of some of the religious people realized that when we died there would be no consequences in hell and the only place we would get served is on earth there would be alot more abortions and alot more violence i think.

Being unable to disprove God does not mean we should believe in him. I cannot disprove the existence of invisible gremlins that steal my socks, but that doesn't mean they exist. It's time you read a little bit about burden of proof.

Also, if religious people found out there was no after life, there would be less violence, not more. People tend to take life more seriously when they realize there's no respawn.

i like the christian ranting and arguing better than athiest. Thats just because ide like to believe theres a god, an atheists point of veiw to me is depressing (just my op though, maybe to some people the thought of not knowing and understanding everything is depressing). I do agree that if people are good or not depends mostly on there chemistry, life experiences, and maybe how they were raised, but im sure some potentially bad people find religion and it gives them just the push they need.

That's the difference between me and you. I believe things based on logic, not on what I want to believe. My life was much better when I was an ignorant, happy, christian. Sure, I got mad at myself everytime I masturbated, but life was easier with an insurance policy. Now I don't have that, and it's scary, but it's better than living a lie. I know what it's like to debate on the side of religion, but you're doing it wrong. Your arguments are not new, they're not valid, and they're painfully misguided.

[Yankyal]

My friend who was atheist told me this today. "I was atheist until I figured, what's the harm in thinking that God exists just in case he does. I don't lose anything, and I get a nice insurance policy just in case." It made me lul cause if you look at what many religions teach, it's true.

An omnipotent god could easily tell if you are religious solely to avoid hell, and send you to hell anyways. Your mental freedom to a magical man in the sky whom you have no evidence of existing is what you lose.

Yes I'm fun at parties.

Lol, you ignore other details to promote your own agenda. I think you'd make a perfect politician. Should run for president bro. Actually, your country should vote for the Canada Party. Canada Party op and should be voted president. Then Canada will wear the pants in this relationship instead of you wearing the hat. ;)

What details did I ignore?

[TANK]

what would we call him then our creator, its pretty much the same thing. Who knows maybe he made it so things could spiral out of control and we could make our own decisions on purpose. Maybe he wanted us to live a free life where nothing is predetermined and we can evolve based on whatever random chaos he implemented, and maybe in a higher state of mind above ours that is omnipotent. We can form our own destiny based on what hes given us, and i think thats how it was intended to be. Hell maybe god created the planet and expected life but something intelligent came of it and completely surprised him. Maybe thats when he sent jesus down to set down some morals, or we just developed our good will and senses on our own because were social creatures. These kinds of things will never be solved, and even if you prove the bible is complete malarky it will never disprove that we dont have a god, so all this atheism ranting and arguing really gets anyone nowhere besides maybe making people doubt there faith that has provided a strong backbone and good will towards others. Really if half of some of the religious people realized that when we died there would be no consequences in hell and the only place we would get served is on earth there would be alot more abortions and alot more violence i think.

Being unable to disprove God does not mean we should believe in him. I cannot disprove the existence of invisible gremlins that steal my socks, but that doesn't mean they exist. It's time you read a little bit about burden of proof.

Also, if religious people found out there was no after life, there would be less violence, not more. People tend to take life more seriously when they realize there's no respawn.

i like the christian ranting and arguing better than athiest. Thats just because ide like to believe theres a god, an atheists point of veiw to me is depressing (just my op though, maybe to some people the thought of not knowing and understanding everything is depressing). I do agree that if people are good or not depends mostly on there chemistry, life experiences, and maybe how they were raised, but im sure some potentially bad people find religion and it gives them just the push they need.

That's the difference between me and you. I believe things based on logic, not on what I want to believe. My life was much better when I was an ignorant, happy, christian. Sure, I got mad at myself everytime I masturbated, but life was easier with an insurance policy. Now I don't have that, and it's scary, but it's better than living a lie. I know what it's like to debate on the side of religion, but you're doing it wrong. Your arguments are not new, they're not valid, and they're painfully misguided.

Im not saying you need to believe in him either, i just dont see the point of arguing about it if we cant prove anything besides that the bible was wrong :(.  Sorry that im not good at defending religion, sorry there not new arguments either this is just how ive thought for most of my life. I would rather live in a world where i believed there was a being who cared enough to create us then the dark thought thats theres nothing after we die and we were formed just by random chaos and thats how the universe has always been. If it is then i guess ill find out, or wont find out, when im rotting in the ground, but until then i like to be optimistic.

[Celson]

Im not saying you need to believe in him either, i just dont see the point of arguing about it if we cant prove anything besides that the bible was wrong :(.  Sorry that im not good at defending religion, sorry there not new arguments either this is just how ive thought for most of my life. I would rather live in a world where i believed there was a being who cared enough to create us then the dark thought thats theres nothing after we die and we were formed just by random chaos and thats how the universe has always been. If it is then i guess ill find out, or wont find out, when im rotting in the ground, but until then i like to be optimistic.

Ignorance is bliss.

[Mystery]

Im not saying you need to believe in him either, i just dont see the point of arguing about it if we cant prove anything besides that the bible was wrong :(.  Sorry that im not good at defending religion, sorry there not new arguments either this is just how ive thought for most of my life. I would rather live in a world where i believed there was a being who cared enough to create us then the dark thought thats theres nothing after we die and we were formed just by random chaos and thats how the universe has always been. If it is then i guess ill find out, or wont find out, when im rotting in the ground, but until then i like to be optimistic.

Ignorance is bliss.

Ignorance is like being continuously drunk and being knowledgeable is like being firmly sober. One's happy but has less quality of life and perspective, the other can lean towards slight depression in certain situation.