Group of kids throw a dog off a 50 foot bridge...

[LeGuy]

Furthermore, Schindler, in another view, was trying to enforce the view that enforcing views upon people is bad, and Hitler was trying to prevent that...

Just pointing out that a person who believes that no one belief is correct believes that their belief (that no one belief is correct) is correct.

[Jackabomb]

I never said that killing animals for fun was good. Chaos, you make a valid point. I suppose the only reason humans are 'superior' are then, because we're arrogant I suppose? There is no mistaking that we are the dominant species on this planet, however and I see now that therefore, we get to decide what is what. It is the same in nature. As for Torch and Notorious who tell me to "get the !@#$ out"(please tell me you at least knew the meaning of the acronym you were using), I really don't have anything to say to you. Notorious, I mentioned Hitler. I'm not making light of what he did by referencing him. The most common issues I've seen about Hitler and religion(how are the two related?) are a. Making light of his actions or joking about it. and B: trying to force your views on others. That term, of course, has now been twisted out of proportion to the point that if I merely suggest that you are wrong in your belief system, I'm "forcing" my views on you.


I'll leave the Hitler business up to the people who seem to know more about it.

[DarkTrinity]

Let me put this another way.  An alien race arrives on earth.  They are far more intelligent and advanced.  Obviously, by your logic, that means they are superior to us.  Therefore, they should be allowed to take advantage of us and be allowed to kill us for their own amusement?  If you would not want that, why would you think it's okay to do it to other living creatures?

That is by far my favorite argument in support of animals.

[Chaos]

My point is, humans are 'superior' only because we like to tell ourselves we are.  There is no other logical reason to think so.

Do I think we should not kill animals?  I honestly have no problem with it, as long as it's being done for a reason.  As a part of nature, we eat other animals.  Animals eat other animals.  Those animals can eat other animals.  And, hell, some animals can eat us.  And yet we all also want to live.  So, what conclusion do we come to? 

Do what causes the least overall harm.  Do not cause unnecessary suffering. 

If we're going to eat meat (we ARE omnivores, after all), eat meat.  If you need to keep warm, get a fur coat.  But for !@#$'s sake, don't do something wasteful.  If you can do something without bringing suffering to others, why would you choose to do something that DOES bring suffering to others?

[Jake]

Nothing makes it "right". Morals differ from person to person. There's no way to argue whether or not it's "right" because it is an opinion. Animal fur makes excellent material for clothing so the most logical choice is to make use of that. If someone finds this morally wrong, they have the option to not buy fur coats, and that's fine by me. I just wish people wouldn't force their own moral values upon people who don't think the same way as they do.

Does that mean you think Schindler was wrong for trying to save as many Jews as he could during the Holocaust? After all, he was imposing his beliefs into Hitlers view system, despite the fact that his Morals were not anymore right or wrong than Hitlers.

Hitler was trying to enforce his beliefs upon other people. Schindler was trying to prevent that.

Which means they're BOTH in the wrong according to your viewpoint because both are trying to impose on each others view points. Schindler isn't in any danger, yet he still imposes on Hitlers scheme. Why? Because he has emotion. Why does he have emotion? Because he's a human ****ing being.

Using the same argument you used against me, I can apply it to the debate on killing animals: If someone wants to impose their views on animals by killing them, people who stop them are only trying to prevent the animals deaths. That is the same argument you just gave me, except yours dealt with the deaths of people. You seem to think that people can do whatever they want because it's their own moral code, but this doesn't ring true for killing humans simply because you don't want it to. I can't believe you don't see how distorted your own beliefs are. If you think it's ok for people to follow their own moral code, you can't pick and choose which subjects are allowed to be disregarded. It's all or nothing. Are you going to pick the side which admits your human? Or are you going to admit to us how robotic you are, and finally admit that you have no real emotion.

[Red October]

Let me put this another way.  An alien race arrives on earth.  They are far more intelligent and advanced.  Obviously, by your logic, that means they are superior to us.  Therefore, they should be allowed to take advantage of us and be allowed to kill us for their own amusement?  If you would not want that, why would you think it's okay to do it to other living creatures?

That is by far my favorite argument in support of animals.

The only thing I can think now is that Futurama episode, where Fry loses his nose being it was "a very potent alien aphrodesiac".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Fry

Scary stuff.

[Lucifer]

I would write some long in depth intellectual response to this, stating how I feel about animal rights, probably mentioning that I'm a vegetarian, and then make some witty remark about how much Jackabomb and his ego make love.

Instead I say Penis.

You're welcome for my input. That'll be $15.99.

[DarkBlade325]

Sausage is NOT the worst meat on the planet! The worst meat on the planet is indisputably spam.

OBJECTION!

EDIT:  Incidentally, I realize my previous post sounds fairly harsh, but I'm passionate about destroying ignorance.

Never thought I'd see the day Chaos using the same site I used in a later topic to get a point across.

At any rate, let me sum it up here. If you're going to kill an animal, have a good reason to do it. It's been said countless times, but yet this thread is still going on.

Now as cruel as this may make me sound, I personally think the 'eye for an eye' method seems fair as all hell. Does it really sound right that a dude dropped a dog off of a bridge, left it near the road as it whined with broken bones with cars flying by, and the culprit's only punishment is a year in jail? That is utter bullshit. Let me ask you this, you think culprits would give a !@#$ about what he did to an animal if his only punishment was spending a year in a cell? You think he cares about having to pay a fine? The point he, he practically tortured a living animal, and he was just put in the naughty corner.

As said before. I don't care if a animal is as small as a new born, or as big as an elephant, it HAS feelings. Just because it can't speak doesn't change that fact. If we were all so dense, that would mean we could just kill ANYONE we see that happens to be a mute/speaks a different language and get off scott free, with maybe a year or two in jail. What kind of sense would that make? Give me one, give me ONE good reason why a human's life is better than every other living thing on earth. Oh because we can "change the world". So far we're turning the Earth into a shit ball floating in space and killing each other, that's certainly changing the world isn't it?

[Chaos]

Never thought I'd see the day Chaos using the same site I used in a later topic to get a point across.

Oh, I've been playing with that site constantly ever since I saw it in the other topic.  Good fun.

[DarkBlade325]

Never thought I'd see the day Chaos using the same site I used in a later topic to get a point across.

Oh, I've been playing with that site constantly ever since I saw it in the other topic.  Good fun.

Shit ton of codes for it too.

This, has to be my favorite one Ive made.

But I suppose we should stay on topic, though I kinda wish we could take a U turn at the moment.

[Red October]

Never thought I'd see the day Chaos using the same site I used in a later topic to get a point across.

Oh, I've been playing with that site constantly ever since I saw it in the other topic.  Good fun.

Shit ton of codes for it too.

This, has to be my favorite one Ive made.

But I suppose we should stay on topic, though I kinda wish we could take a U turn at the moment.

<3 Phoenix Wright or was that Wrong?
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs29/f/2008/136/e/1/GET_BURNED_by_DiosBoss.jpg

[Trogdor]

Now as cruel as this may make me sound, I personally think the 'eye for an eye' method seems fair as all hell.

It may seem fair at first, but so does Communism. Personally I believe that, as a human being, you should take the high road and not stoop to his level. It does not solve the problem of pushing sentient beings off bridges by pushing more off. All you will end up with is a traffic jam.

I think Martin Luther King Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi had the right idea with their peaceful protests, though I'm still pondering how you could solve this type of situation using their methods. What I DO know is battling violence with more violence solves nothing. We're living proof of that fact. Humans have been warring for thousands of years, even before our time as Homo sapiens, and it continues to this day. Perhaps we should deviate a little from our current path and try out something new.

[Chaos]

It may seem fair at first, but so does Communism.

Do you know anything ABOUT communism?  It's actually quite a brilliant system.

[DarkBlade325]

Now as cruel as this may make me sound, I personally think the 'eye for an eye' method seems fair as all hell.

It may seem fair at first, but so does Communism. Personally I believe that, as a human being, you should take the high road and not stoop to his level. It does not solve the problem of pushing sentient beings off bridges by pushing more off.

Ah but it creates fear. Think about it for a moment. I have more to say, but for the moment, just think how people would react to a 'eye for an eye' sentence on just ONE person who tortured an animal to some degree.

[Trogdor]

It may seem fair at first, but so does Communism.

Do you know anything ABOUT communism?  It's actually quite a brilliant system.

I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. I was referring to the countries practicing Communism right now, not the form Karl Marx advocated.

I agree with you there. It is a very ingenious form of government, however the idealisms expressed by Marx cannot exist right now in this type of political climate. Right now it's a great theory, but those countries that practice that form of government are proof of how it can go horribly awry (such as the Marxism-Leninism form of Communism). It will be awhile before the human race achieves "Pure Communism", but until then it's simply an interesting notion.

Back on topic, did anything ever happen to the guy's friends who were videotaping him? Did they get a slap on the wrist for being "accomplices", or were they just ignored overall?