A good item for Stick Online (not sure for what version but I think its good nonetheless) would be a personal sign that you could write a message, erect anywhere on the ground, and put it back into your inventory by clicking the sign while holding control (the message gets deleted by doing this though.
Monsters can't drop it but you can buy a cheap sign from the left shop for 500 coins. It can be destroyed by other stick players with sword type items (like Dagger or Katana) and it has the same amount of hp as a Rock Demon. When its destroyed it goes back into your inventory (or completely gone, whatever you ppl like better) and you can stand on it for support if your jumping skills arent up to par.
At the right shop, you can buy a deluxe sign for 1000 coins that is indestructible (or has Skeleton's hp, whatever you ppl like better) and you can write more on it (with also the support and move ability). If the signs are implemented, we could have it that the signs can be dug up and burned by other stick players (with the IS and SH respectively).
So whatcha guys think? (if a similar idea like this was posted in somebody's long list of ideas, I apologise for repeating the idea)
PS: You press up to read it and you can only ever have one in your possesion.
If this was implemented it would be seriousley abused.
O crap I forgot to mention: You can only ever have one in your possesion
Quote from: scsox on January 02, 2010, 11:43:57 PM
If this was implemented it would be seriousley abused.
By you.
And as for the idea itself...not bad, but not necessary enough to be practical. Not to mention it would be a really bad idea to let players make solid objects that could be used for navigation anywhere in the world. What if they used their sign while standing on another stick? What if they stacked them to go off the map? Just so much effort would have to go into having these sacred signs...it really isn't worth the elbow grease.
You can stand on it like the bench in Stick Online. Solid at the top, but still passable. And you can only stack signs on solid ground (maybe not even on tree branches in the forest or on the clouds?)
On any solid surface, I say. A cool idea.
Not a bad idea.
Quote from: Mr Pwnage on January 03, 2010, 12:05:56 AM
What if they used their sign while standing on another stick?
Oh the joy! Can't you imagine putting "Dumbass" signs over people?
Do want!
Whether that was sarcasm or not, that post was funny
can you pick your own sign up and move it?
Quote from: Zario777 on January 02, 2010, 11:33:21 PM
and put it back into your inventory by clicking the sign while holding control (the message gets deleted by doing this though).
I don't really get the point of it.
I don't either, what is the point of having signs?? I'd rather have something more worthwhile.
Quote from: Zario777 on January 03, 2010, 02:34:26 PM
Quote from: Zario777 on January 02, 2010, 11:33:21 PM
and put it back into your inventory by clicking the sign while holding control (the message gets deleted by doing this though).
I mean like carry it around like a picit sing.
Hmm, it would make it more useful if you can carry it around.....and swing it at monsters/unsuspecting stick players >=)
Quote from: Zario777 on January 03, 2010, 04:00:29 PM
Hmm, it would make it more useful if you can carry it around.....and swing it at monsters/unsuspecting stick players >=)
At that point we should just name the game "Sign Online".
Why name it that because of one item? Theres like over 10 sword items why not name it Sword Online? U get my point
Because that one item would be used and abused so much more than all the swords. Your point is full of holes.
~Aqua
Considering the average level of maturity provided by the SO community, I can say nothing beyond how awful this idea is.
Quote from: Chaos on January 03, 2010, 08:37:13 PM
Considering the average level of maturity provided by the SO community, I can say nothing beyond how awful this idea is.
i know right. having a chat box was a stretch as it is.
Can somebody plz give me at least and only 3 reasons on how its a bad idea? Everyone says its gonna be abused and whatnot, but arent saying how.
1.) Zario777 is a faggot.
2.) PENISPENISPENISPENISPENIS!
3.) You're a stupid dumbshit.
Need I go on? You may think I'm being insulting, but those are your reasons. Bad enough when people can go around SAYING insulting things, hey, let's make it so they can post signs that remain there to say it for us!
I got a much better idea. How bout you give us 3 reasons why this is a good idea? If you can't see how this would be so OBVIOUSLY abused, you're blind.
Here, and even to placate you:
1.) People can and WILL post insulting or otherwise offensive things on them.
2.) The idea serves absolutely no benefit.
3.) Would require one to waste quite a bit of time coding it into the game and then subsequently trying to fix the NUMEROUS ways people would abuse it. Again, for absolutely no benefit.
4.) The SO community is full of immature morons.
Ill take reason number four as what I was looking for to be proven wrong. But Chaos u dont have to be a dick.
Quote from: Zario777 on January 03, 2010, 11:48:03 PM
Ill take reason number four as what I was looking for to be proven wrong. But Chaos u dont have to be a dick.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...
AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
Priceless. Funny thing. Me and Lucifer were chatting on MSN, and he said you'd probably say something retarded like "YOU DON'T HAVE TO INSULT ME" or whatever.
Guess what? I didn't. I made a point. And I'm GLAD you're insulted by it, as hopefully it got through to you. Do you WANT to see signs saying "Zario777 is a faggot" posted around Stick Online? Perhaps it won't say you, but it could certainly say ANYONE else. NO one wants to see a sign personally insulting them when they play their favorite MMO. And it can and WILL happen. Thusly, sign = stupid.
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Quote from: Chaos on January 03, 2010, 11:54:07 PM
Quote from: Zario777 on January 03, 2010, 11:48:03 PM
Ill take reason number four as what I was looking for to be proven wrong. But Chaos u dont have to be a dick.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...
AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
Priceless. Funny thing. Me and Lucifer were chatting on MSN, and he said you'd probably say something retarded like "YOU DON'T HAVE TO INSULT ME" or whatever.
Guess what? I didn't. I made a point. And I'm GLAD you're insulted by it, as hopefully it got through to you. Do you WANT to see signs saying "Zario777 is a faggot" posted around Stick Online? Perhaps it won't say you, but it could certainly say ANYONE else. NO one wants to see a sign personally insulting them when they play their favorite MMO. And it can and WILL happen. Thusly, sign = stupid.
Owned.
1. I didn't say I was insulted, I said u didnt have to be a dick about it
2. The sign isnt stupid, but because of reason number 4, its bad for Stick online
3. YayforLife, u fall under reason number 4 as to why the sign wouldnt work
So instead of listening to reason and logic, you would rather stick your fingers in your ears and go "I'M NOT LISTENING I'M NOT LISTENING I CAN'T HEEEAAAR YOU LALALALALALALAL!"
Fine, whatever. Defend your little idea to your hearts content. I've made my point ABUNDANTLY clear, and I wash my hands of this topic. Peace.
Im the one covering my ears? U must have missed the part where I agreed to the sign being bad for Stick Online. I was just clarifying me not being insulted, and how YayforLife's comment was utterly useless.
There goes Chaos again, always trying to find new ways to take away people's freedom of speech and oppress the users of Stick Online.
Well guess what, I'm not buying it! This idea is great Zario. It encourages creativity and Freedom of speech for all SO players. Not only that, but it'd be a great little makeshift platform for people with lower AGI. It wouldn't be hard to code, especially if it's a jump through platform. Just gotta make sure it stays in-sync with all the players.
Don't listen to Chaos man, he gets real upset about ideas that encourage awesomeness.
Thanks Jake. Whether that was sarcasm or not (I cant tell over the internet, but if its not, dont take offense) it was a supportive message. Unfortunatly, because of Chaos's reason number 4, I dont really see how we can bypass the immature ppl (NOT ALL just the immature ones) that might/will post rude crude messages (even tho u arent forced to read the messages nor see them in the game with out pressing up)
Quote from: Zario777 on January 04, 2010, 12:22:30 AM
Thanks Jake. Whether that was sarcasm or not (I cant tell over the internet, but if its not, dont take offense) it was a supportive message. Unfortunatly, because of Chaos's reason number 4, I dont really see how we can bypass the immature ppl (NOT ALL just the immature ones) that might/will post rude crude messages (even tho u arent forced to read the messages nor see them in the game with out pressing up)
No need to bypass bad messages because it's the players choice to read them. Also, Imagine if players could stack the signs :D
You could build insanely huge towers if players work together. SICK.
Hmm, that DOES beat reason number 4. If ppl get insulted its their own choice to read them. As for the sign stack thats all up to the coder.
Quote from: Zario777 on January 04, 2010, 12:29:24 AM
Hmm, that DOES beat reason number 4. If ppl get insulted its their own choice to read them. As for the sign stack thats all up to the coder.
I kind of like the idea if it was something you hold for fun. Like the road runner cartoon. But i really think people will write stuff that's not too brite. Its kind of like graffiti.
Well like Graffiti it has bad stuff written on like signs and walls right? Well this is like graffiti on a folded piece of paper. U aren't forced to read it, but if u do and are offended by it, u can always rip it up right? Well remember, u can break the signs =P
Quote from: Zario777 on January 04, 2010, 03:40:00 PM
Well like Graffiti it has bad stuff written on like signs and walls right? Well this is like graffiti on a folded piece of paper. U aren't forced to read it, but if u do and are offended by it, u can always rip it up right? Well remember, u can break the signs =P
Zario, please, you're sounding pathetic now. There is NO good reason for this idea to be implemented, none at all, the only thing that it would do is make people complain on the forums about how !@#$ing stupid it is. This topic is 3 pages of PENIS.
It might help your cause if you stopped telling people that they could ignore your idea if they don't like it, and instead provide some examples as to why it should be bothered to be implemented at all. You're so busy defending yourself you're epicly missing the point of any post criticizing your idea.
I'm with Zario and Jake. I see Chaos and Lucifer's points, but I still think this would be a fun idea.
Reasons why this is a good idea:
1. It would be fun.
Does there need to be any others?
Reasons why abuse of this idea won't matter:
1. You have to open the message to read it (as mentioned)
2. You could make the signs destroyable (again, as Zario mentioned. Although i believe all signs should be destroyable somewhat contrary to his post).
And actually, that 2nd point along with the fact that they would cost gold, would deter people from putting stupid content on it. Not eliminate it, but it would cause people to think whether they would want to waste the gold on something they know someone will destroy because it insults someone in some way. In addition, destroyed signs, in my opinion, should not go back to the inventory but instead just be destroyed. That would be critical for the above to be valid.
So in this case, we have an idea that would make people enjoy the game a bit more, and if some people decide to abuse it in any way it becomes a non issue since anyone who is insulted can just make it go away.
And we could add a few zero's to the end of the prices to burn holes in sign abusers! >=) Thanks Lingus. @ Lucifer: You are too busy telling me that I haven't been saying any reasons as to why it should be added, but you aren't giving examples as to why it shouldn't be added. I saw Chaos's reasons and they were matched with Jake's and Lingus's explanation and clarification. So you sir, are 3 pages of PENIS!
EDIT: Nevermind Lucifer, u arent 3 pages of PENIS. I just had a moment of 10 year oldness in me.
wow... after reading through all the rage and rant of this thread, i do have one question, would you have to be on the ground when you put the sign down, or say if fabi got a hold of one, and made it in midair, could he land on it while it was falling and jump even higher than what he can, thought there would be no purpose to him doing it...
also, i don't think it would be game breaking because it probably wouldn't be hard to put a cap on how high you could make signs.... also, after reading lingus's idea on the price, i think that like the price could go up after every sign you buy, like the first one is 500, the next is 600 or something like that... just to deter people from spamming signs unless they are completely rich... but still, i don't really see a reason any of this needs to be implemented, but i also don't see a reason as to why it shouldn't, though i would say that it would be only in SO 2, not in SO 3...
Quote from: Zario777 on January 03, 2010, 12:12:33 AM
And you can only stack signs on solid ground (maybe not even on tree branches in the forest or on the clouds?)
Quote from: Zario777 on January 05, 2010, 12:03:29 AM
Quote from: Zario777 on January 03, 2010, 12:12:33 AM
And you can only stack signs on solid ground (maybe not even on tree branches in the forest or on the clouds?)
i still don't see how this would answer my question, this means that technically it wouldn't stack on other signs, possibly, but it doesn't deter the possibility of being able to spawn it in the air also....
just thought of something else, your sign could only have your name instead of making it somethign you want to type... you would have to have a username that flames or bashes someone else, and still, that would have to go through meiun, and you would have to donate 10$.... or you could have it with your name and a word after it... saying Birdy1337 rocks or you could bash yourself.... giving a limit on it.
Well to answer the question better, whatever your stick character can stand on, you can put a sign on it. So no u can't put it in midair, and sign stacking (putting a sign on top of a sign) is up to the coder of Stick Online.
-.-
i'm asking if you can use it in midair, but once you put it out, it falls, and if you time it right, you could land on it and jump on it...
also, now that i think about it, you could make stair steps outa these.... so it doesnt go just up, it can go like a stairway to JESUSLAND!!!!! :D
Quote from: Lucifer on January 04, 2010, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: Zario777 on January 04, 2010, 03:40:00 PM
Well like Graffiti it has bad stuff written on like signs and walls right? Well this is like graffiti on a folded piece of paper. U aren't forced to read it, but if u do and are offended by it, u can always rip it up right? Well remember, u can break the signs =P
Zario, please, you're sounding pathetic now. There is NO good reason for this idea to be implemented, none at all, the only thing that it would do is make people complain on the forums about how !@#$ing stupid it is. This topic is 3 pages of PENIS.
It might help your cause if you stopped telling people that they could ignore your idea if they don't like it, and instead provide some examples as to why it should be bothered to be implemented at all. You're so busy defending yourself you're epicly missing the point of any post criticizing your idea.
Your sounding pathetic as well, Lucy. You fail to understand that every idea needs to refined before it gets to a standard that could be even considered to be added to an game. You and Chaos, have clearly presented your view, but both of you have not considered benefits for this idea, or even suggested anything useful to refine this idea. Zario has already requested three points againest his idea. No one has answered this.
Before you say, "Chaos did!". Let me say this. His 1st and 4th points are basically the same. That the majority of the Stick Online community are immature at most times. Chaos's 2nd and 3rd points are basically the same again! That it is not worth the effort. I wouldn't consider that an point, more like a filler, but that's me.
How about I do it! Here I go!
1) How to you plan to stop offensive messages from being displayed? A filter? And how about spam? All needs to be considered.
2) Will many of these signs in one place produce considerable lag?
3) What could be secondary functions for these signs? The primary purpose seems a bit small and odd.
I think that is more useful than "1) Zario777 is a faggot. 2) PENISPENISPENISPENISPENIS! 3) You're a stupid dumbshit."
Also this topic turned penis when you first posted. Every single post before hand was a fine discussion. Every thought that your influencing the young member to act like dickheads? It's very possible. I personally don't want to suggest anything because if it doesn't agree with Chaos then I'm going to be framed. From what I've seen from this topic then the sole validation of any ideas of SO3 would be done by Chaos, seems bias to me.
I congratulate Jake and Lingus, "common sense" said.
Quote from: Red October on January 05, 2010, 12:34:24 AM
1) How to you plan to stop offensive messages from being displayed? A filter? And how about spam? All needs to be considered.
No need, as stated before. If people are hell bent on saying "penis", it'd be easier and reach more people if they just said it in the normal chat.
Quote2) Will many of these signs in one place produce considerable lag?
Not really. They're simple objects that require minimal networking. No need to constantly update their position like a normal player because they stay in one spot, and once they hit the ground they don't really do anything but sit there, meaning you can stop performing all collision events for them.
Quote3) What could be secondary functions for these signs? The primary purpose seems a bit small and odd.
There's already been multiple purposes pointed out. Displaying messages, and using them as platforms. I'm sure users would find many other purposes for them too.
@Red October:
Funny. I seem to recall ASKING for exactly what benefit the idea would serve. I never got an answer.
It's not my idea, it's not my job to refine it, nor is it any requirement for me to post.
I gave all 3 points, plus 1. Just because YOU could not comprehend what was said does not make it any less valid. None of the 4 things I mentioned were the same. Do not fool yourself to think otherwise.
Nice of you to point out the 'insults' of my post. Always reassuring to see you were too thick to bother to GRASP the point of why it was said, especially when I made a post explaining it clear as day. I'm starting to rethink my method of posting with more subtlety then being cock-slapped across the face, when anything that requires someone here to THINK tends to just go right over their heads...
Incidentally, every post before Lucifer's, there was NO discussion beyond Pwnage's one post. Seriously. Go check for yourself.
I don't 'encourage' anyone to do anything. If they want to be cockbags, they do so of their own volition.
If you don't agree with me, you'll be 'framed'? Framed for what? Being a dumbass? You don't need my help, I assure you.
I posted a problem with the idea, boo-!@#$ing-hoo. Get over it. Zario stated the ability to destroy said signs. A simple solution that resolves the most major issue I pointed out, I acknowledge this, and I have said nothing since. Go swing your tiny little e-penor somewhere else.
Also, I just want to say, I find it hilarious that no one noticed Jake was being facetious.
Quote from: Chaos on January 05, 2010, 01:58:20 AM
Also, I just want to say, I find it hilarious that no one noticed Jake was being facetious.
I was originally, but I'm actually starting to like the idea :D
It seems most of it's problems have been addressed now. The one downside I still see is that writing text on a sign is pretty pointless. It doesn't even sound like it'd be fun. I mainly like the idea of a portable platform, which allows for a little bit of creativity and experimentation.
Quote from: Jake on January 05, 2010, 02:06:17 AM
It seems most of it's problems have been addressed now. The one downside I still see is that writing text on a sign doesn't have a significant point behind it. I mainly like the idea of a portable platform.
Point #2 that I made, if I recall. To what benefit? Hell, could make an item that is a portable platform, and do away with the idea of a sign in general. So I ask, WHY a sign?
Quote from: RedOctoberYou and Chaos, have clearly presented your view, but both of you have not considered benefits for this idea, or even suggested anything useful to refine this idea.
Why would I bother refining an idea I think is completely flawed? No matter how much tinkering one could do, there is nothing that could make this idea remotely beneficial. How do I know this? Well lets go ahead and pick apart the ideas thus far. Before I start, I think many of you misread Chaos's post. He wasn't calling Zario those things, he was making the point as to what people would write in their messages.
Anyways, lets start with the main point of this idea, writing messages. As said, obviously this will be abused. People Will put up signs expressing their distaste for each other, no matter how many censors you nail onto them. (Which by the way, lets throw out Jake's freedom of speech right here eh?) One suggestion is for people to just ignore what these signs say, but how can you ignore them if someone walks up to you and says "Hey, guess what that sign says about you?". It's just idiotic to tell someone to ignore the obviously... idiotic.
Another idea is to have them destroyable, and then perhaps increase in price every time you buy one. First off, I'm guessing this idea is mainly directed at the current Stick Online, as Zario pointed out locations that are specific to it. With that in mind, Everyone has money spilling out of their asses and nothing to do with it, so people being worried about wasting money is not an issue. Also this suggestion works against people just as much as it works for. People in this game smack presents and kill bunnies even when they don't need the items, what do you expect is going to happen to your signs?
I think I've covered every argument about abusing signs so far, so lets move on. What would one actually write on these signs? Bunny <<<? SG at Wall? Tournament on friday? It's my arguement that anything that could be written on the signs could be easily posted on the forums or shoutbox, or communicated with other people near you in the game. Heck I bet most people would forget about their signs, and end up misleading shitloads of people in the process. I just can't think of a single thing to write down that makes the trouble of implementing such an idea worth it. Course it's late and I'm tired, so feel free to come up with some ideas to prove me wrong.
Now lets go to stacking signs. What a glorious way to even further lessen the need of agility. Lets go ahead and make bridges over every hole, shall we? Heck lets just remove holes and thorn pits entirely, as that's the only thing stacking things would accomplish. As Lingus said, it would be fun. It's always lovely to remove game elements in the name of fun.
Also, I'm glad we agree that me posting in a topic automatically declares it Penis, Red.
*Edit* This was a direct response to red's post, I'm too friggin tired to edit my post in response to anything posted while I was typing this, so blah.
Quote from: Chaos on January 05, 2010, 02:15:03 AM
Point #2 that I made, if I recall. To what benefit? Hell, could make an item that is a portable platform, and do away with the idea of a sign in general. So I ask, WHY a sign?
Because some people would enjoy posting random jibber jabber.
Okay, so point #3, then. Does that benefit outweigh the work involved to not only program in such a system, but to potentially apply filters to deal with issue #1?
I love the two different replies to my post. In normal "Chaos" fashion, he attempts to denigrate someone for voicing their opinion. At least Lucifer explain his points quite clearly. Zario just needs to answer them. I personally wouldn't bother. As any solution would require major changes to the game. Which won't take place.
Also Chaos, your actions encourage others. After people read your post, many people will think me as an "dumbass". Because I misread a couple of points in your posts? I honestly don't care.
(Geez I never thought this sign idea would spring a debate) Anyways, can somebody address me the points I need to answer?
There are no points you need to answer, as this idea isn't going any further than this. It only sprung a debate because some people on these forums feel the need to act the hero and defend shit they don't even believe in. Red I don't get what you're crying over, Chaos was clearing his name after you tried to shit on it, if the truth makes you look like a dumbass, tough shit. You can feel free to voice all the opinions you want, we can feel free to tell you how wrong we think you are. Isn't freedom of speech awesome?
Quote from: Zario777 on January 05, 2010, 09:35:04 AM
(Geez I never thought this sign idea would spring a debate) Anyways, can somebody address me the points I need to answer?
I gave you the points, and even was discussing them with Jake.
Here we are again:
1.) Idea is easily abused.
2.) Serves no benefits.
3.) Does (current lack of) benefits outweigh the work required to program?
4.) Stick Online is full of immature idiots (case in point, Red October). Mind you, that isn't so much an issue with YOUR idea then it is EVERY idea. Still something you want to address.
Idea is easily abused - The major issue I saw with this (when, yes, the chat system is just as easy to abuse) is that signs would be semi-permanent fixtures. You stated that signs would be breakable. In my eyes, that's really all that's needed to fix this issue.
Serves no benefits - It has been stated that it would serve as a portable platform, to which I countered "Then why a sign at all? Why not just a portable platform?" and as Jake put it, "Because some people would enjoy posting random jibber jabber." Fine, I can't exactly argue with that, though that's not MUCH of a benefit. Incidentally, I'd also like to point out that I don't support the 'portable platforms' idea, as that's only serving to further take away the already weak benefits of having AGI.
Benefits Vs. Programming - This is where your idea runs into trouble from what I can see. Do these meager benefits outweigh the work required to program in such a a system? To potentially program a whole bunch of FILTERS to potentially counter-act #1? Or, as another point Jake brought up to me, do these meager benefits outweigh the merit of other ideas? That's what you should be discussing.
Also, these next sentences are all I will afford Red, as it is all he deserves:
Don't go insulting me, then cry foul and get all butt-hurt when I counter-attack. Cry me a river.
Jeez... I wonder why I still go on these forums sometimes. I really don't give a damn if this is a bad idea or not at the moment; but you guys constantly bitch about the same things over and over again, point fingers at each other, and question others why they do the same things. Seriously, you can't flame someone for asking a legitimate question, call them "faggot", "stupid dumbshit", and expect them to not get offended. This is just elementary. Some might claim that the members around here are "immature" and yet, they forget to check themselves first. Chaos, had you just addressed his suggestion as you do in the post above this one, there wouldn't be as many of these types of problems (not necessarily that you are causing the problems, I'm being rather general).
I think if you will look closer you will see Chaos was not calling Zario names. He was giving examples of what people would likely post on the signs if given the chance. He was making a point that people would abuse these signs by making offensive remarks. He was not himself making those offensive remarks.
Quote from: Lingus on January 05, 2010, 05:31:04 PM
I think if you will look closer you will see Chaos was not calling Zario names. He was giving examples of what people would likely post on the signs if given the chance. He was making a point that people would abuse these signs by making offensive remarks. He was not himself making those offensive remarks.
Either way, It didn't have to be as harsh as it was.
Edit: And that also shows how easily someone can be misunderstood when posting such an "uncalled-for" post.
Quote from: NotoriousM4^ on January 05, 2010, 05:33:30 PM
Quote from: Lingus on January 05, 2010, 05:31:04 PM
I think if you will look closer you will see Chaos was not calling Zario names. He was giving examples of what people would likely post on the signs if given the chance. He was making a point that people would abuse these signs by making offensive remarks. He was not himself making those offensive remarks.
Either way, It didn't have to be as harsh as it was.
Edit: And that also shows how easily someone can be misunderstood when posting such an "uncalled-for" post.
Thats chaos for you.
Also NotoriousM4^. What do you think about this idea of the sign? you did not say.
Agreed. I'm sure Chaos could probably tone it down on a lot of his posts...
Quote from: ARTgames on January 05, 2010, 05:36:21 PM
Quote from: NotoriousM4^ on January 05, 2010, 05:33:30 PM
Quote from: Lingus on January 05, 2010, 05:31:04 PM
I think if you will look closer you will see Chaos was not calling Zario names. He was giving examples of what people would likely post on the signs if given the chance. He was making a point that people would abuse these signs by making offensive remarks. He was not himself making those offensive remarks.
Either way, It didn't have to be as harsh as it was.
Edit: And that also shows how easily someone can be misunderstood when posting such an "uncalled-for" post.
Thats chaos for you.
The "That's just him" excuse, starts to get old. He needs to tone himself down.
Quote from: ARTgames on January 05, 2010, 05:36:21 PM
Also NotoriousM4^. What do you think about this idea of the sign? you did not say.
Well, It does have quite a bit of holes, but it is a rather interesting idea. It would be quite useful, Example: when someone is having a conversation with you, not knowing your afk, you could have simply put a sign there "afk" without the hassle of the other person having to type the whole conversation over, or you having to get bits and pieces of the conversation. I think the signs should have pre-written messages, from which you can choose from. However Editable ones could be a rare drop, or REALLY expensive.
However, all in all, it really wouldn't be a necessary addition to S.O., but nowadays, neither is a lot of other stuff that has been added.
Yup, Chaos really needs to tone himself down. Apparently there aren't many people intelligent enough to read his posts correctly here. I love the direction this topic has turned. Lets all get butt-hurt that we didn't understand Chaos's post the first time! Grrrrrrr lets say he's being mean because he provided examples on how the system will be abused! Makes perfect sense! Darn those people responding to other people's comments like that, Grrrrrrrrrr.
Frankly this right here, is elementary.
Lets not argue about who Chaos is and just get back onto why we are here.
Now i know in a ps3 rpg you can leave messages for other people online and they can read them. (I don't know the name of the game). And a lot of times its tips or just ways to mess the player up. Like set a message in front of a trap and saying its gold. :P I think stuff like that can be kind of cool. I also think it might be overwhelming if there's like 100s of players leaving sign around the game. I'm not sure. So3 could be super big game.
This topic is Chaos.
Get it? :D
*HONK HONK*
Seriously, no one cares about your life-examination. Make a new topic, or take it up in PMs. I would be glad to ignore them.
All of ya are immature little wastes of Daddy's orgasms, and this idea is a proud display of what humanity has accomplished in centuries of evolution. Next up on the idea list, a ball and "perrty" butterflies that you can and will chase, but never catch!
Oh look over there, a shiny distraction!
After rereading the last two pages, the main thing I find problematic, is the fact that newbs will use it to pass over the gap, not needing as much AGI. The other 3 points of Chaos were pretty much already answered:
1.) Idea is easily abused. A.) Chop up the sign to your hearts content.
2.) Serves no benefits. B.) This is where my main idea for the sign comes in (kinda falls under Jake's, "Because some people would enjoy posting random jibber jabber."). But mainly I came up with the idea after picturing a SO member (lets use GIS as an example) putting a sign on the Pirate Ship.
The sign says something like, "Teh Suckface's Ship" (or something that GIS would say that would show that the ship was his). Then somebody like Chaos could come along, read the sign, and say something like "Yeah Right", destroy the sign, and put up his own sign saying, "Chaos's Ship of (insert Chaos word here)".
GIS would naturally feel like putting his own sign back up, but Chaos (being a GM) would have natural GM str with the help of lets say Lucifer or some Chaos worshippers out there to protect it and basically become unofficial pirates of some sort =P But thats just an example about the Pirate Ship (this could happen at the club house or on top of the rocky mountain).
3.) Does (current lack of) benefits outweigh the work required to program? C.) Well another benefit to go along with standing on top of it was using it as a moderate weapon, but that might be too much to program, but idk for sure.
4.) Stick Online is full of immature idiots (case in point, Red October). Mind you, that isn't so much an issue with YOUR idea then it is EVERY idea. Still something you want to address. D.) That's where the idea to make the sign's price go up each time to eventually bankrupt the immature ppl (they cant be too rich can they?) so that they stop buying signs and realize that they are only wasting their own time.
E.) I have thought about the signs's height when thinking about how to stop newbs from not caring about their AGI level. We can make the top of the sign only reachable by somebody who has the appropriate stats to cross the pits (but still readable from the bottom).
So whatcha think about that?
1.) Idea is easily abused. A.) Chop up the sign to your hearts content.
This still doesn't stop the abuse. People would come on the forums and complain that someone is harassing them by putting up insulting messages about them constantly.
2.) Serves no benefits. B.) This is where my main idea for the sign comes in (kinda falls under Jake's, "Because some people would enjoy posting random jibber jabber."). But mainly I came up with the idea after picturing a SO member (lets use GIS as an example) putting a sign on the Pirate Ship.
(Example)
So you're saying the only benefit it serves is to have fun. All of this effort, for a more complex version of King of the Hill? You tell me, is it Really worth it?
3.) Does (current lack of) benefits outweigh the work required to program? C.) Well another benefit to go along with standing on top of it was using it as a moderate weapon, but that might be too much to program, but idk for sure.
Your idea to solve this problem is to have them work more to implement it as a weapon too? Might want to think about that.
4.) Stick Online is full of immature idiots (case in point, Red October). Mind you, that isn't so much an issue with YOUR idea then it is EVERY idea. Still something you want to address. D.) That's where the idea to make the sign's price go up each time to eventually bankrupt the immature ppl (they cant be too rich can they?) so that they stop buying signs and realize that they are only wasting their own time.
This makes me think you didn't even read my post. I clearly explained why this wouldn't work.
Quote from: LuciferAlso this suggestion works against people just as much as it works for. People in this game smack presents and kill bunnies even when they don't need the items, what do you expect is going to happen to your signs?
The sign's price would inevitably bankrupt anyone using it maturely as well.
E.) I have thought about the signs's height when thinking about how to stop newbs from not caring about their AGI level. We can make the top of the sign only reachable by somebody who has the appropriate stats to cross the pits (but still readable from the bottom).
I was referring to stacking signs next to holes, not singularly places signs. Honestly the simplest way to prevent abuse of stacking around holes would just be to make them unable to be built around them. Of course this would require even more programming.
I'm really not sure why you're hanging onto this idea, Zario. I think we've declared the potential benefits do Not outweigh the amount of work required to implement it, as well as the amount of work required to solve any abusing of it. Can't you move on to some other idea, and let this topic die already?
I don't like the idea. Just seems weird to me. I have to agree with Lucifer on this one. Meiun could use his skills on creating things for gameplay instead of unnecessary things like this.
IF this would ever be added, it would be in SO?, where there would be a lot of noobs abusing it. It would be like the /b/ of Stick Online.
I hereby declare this topic 10 gallons of salty vagina.
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1. Again people do not have to read the signs. People don't have to complain because the insulter and the insultee both would be in the wrong for A writing the message, and B choosing to read the message. We could even have a sign put up around the 1st flag stating that they do not have to read other signs (and make that one and that one only indestructible) for their own sake.
2. Its not any version of King of the Hill. That was part of the what you can do by writing joke messages. You could start a King of the Hill type game with it, you could post like a warning sign near the pits telling newbs what AGI level they need to pass. These are just two examples.
3. I said it could be used as a weapon, but "that might be too much to program, so idk for sure."
4. We can make the signs only attackable in pvp mode and regenerate its hp every hour or so. There shouldn't be a considerable amount of ppl chasing bunnies in pvp mode to take down a sign. Or bunny hunters using sword like weapons to chase one down either.
5. I don't see how stacking signs next to the holes will aid somebody without a feather hat across. I did say that the sign would be too tall for a feather hatless newb to high jump to, and cross the pit. I don't understand how having multiple signs that are out of reach will aid anyone who cant reach.
I like this idea too much to just let go. I just don't think that I have met a problem I haven't solved yet with the signs, but feel free to throw more at me/clarify some that I still haven't understand. I will back down when I meet a point I cant get across.
Mr Pwnage, NotoriousM4^ was that really necessary? Its ok not to like a idea. But post such things makes you not look good ether.
If you don't think the topic is good ignore it. Dont go out of your way to bash it as much as you can. you two make me
Quote from: NotoriousM4^wonder why I still go on these forums sometimes.
The idea its self i don't like but i tried to mess around with the idea a little to see if there anything close to this that could be useful.
Quote from: Mr PwnageI hereby declare this topic 10 gallons of salty vagina.
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Anyway, the idea isn't actually that half-baked(to a degree). Sure, it serves no real purpose(that would be that useful), but it's for FUN, not for fighting monsters or anything to that degree. Guess what, the whole point of SO is to have fun(any video game or game, for that matter). For one thing, the censoring of the signs seems quite worthless. The filter on SO barely blocks anything, and there's sure as hell(haha, bad pun...) enough cursing to go around. So they shouldn't be filtered at all(waste of programming). Considering the spamming issue, I'd say a maximum amount of signs could be on SO at once. You can't do much about the cursing and flaming sig-oh wait, you can. Chop down the sign if it's too offensive to you. Yes, people may complain, but there's flaming and complaining quite often here. I don't think it'll make THAT big of an increase in complaints.(I may be wrong, dunno how everyone feels about it... :P)True, you could have jerks who chop down every sign in sight, but someone will notice them eventually and take action. It'd actually be quite enjoyable, unless flaming starts. (I was going to make an analogy to this topic, but thought better of it...) The signs should not exponentially grow in cost, but I'd say 10k is a reasonable price for each sign. True, old players can buy tons of signs. Boo-hoo, with a limit of signs, they may not be able to place one until they delete old signs. Of course, the sign limitation brings up the issue of people's signs going to waste by other players chopping them. Well, go ahead and buy another. Honestly, for a moderately active player, 10k can be earned in a day. And chop their signs while at it.
Anyway, the MAIN problem with this idea is the standing on signs. Zario, the AGI suggestion would not work. Wanna know why? Feather Hat. So I propose a simple suggestion. Don't let you stand on them at all.
All in all, the idea isn't horrible, but it does need a lot(and I mean a
lot) of reworking before even CONSIDERING implementation. Good job, Zario.
Quote from: LuciferI'm really not sure why you're hanging onto this idea, Zario. I think we've declared the potential benefits do Not outweigh the amount of work required to implement it, as well as the amount of work required to solve any abusing of it. Can't you move on to some other idea, and let this topic die already?
I have a parallel to this. I'm bringing up the planting system from Ravaged Lands(I'm sure half of you haven't played it, nor want to, and I'm not advertising it at all, for the record.).
The plants are of no use yet, but they are still there, and it didn't seem to take John that much time to make. Although this may seem like an apples to orange comparison, if the plants were a sign you could type on(say, you could type on the sign just like in the chat after 'planting' it, also meaning there is a letter limitation), I don't see that big of a difference. Sure, it would take some programming and effort away from weapons and more important stuff. Well, guess what. It's for FUN, and it's not any serious gameplay component.
EDIT: I share the same viewpoint as ARTgames regarding most things like this....
Quote from: ARTgames on January 05, 2010, 10:19:58 PM
Mr Pwnage, NotoriousM4^ was that really necessary? Its ok not to like a idea. But post such things makes you not look good ether.
If you don't think the topic is good ignore it. Dont go out of your way to bash it as much as you can. you two make me
Quote from: NotoriousM4^wonder why I still go on these forums sometimes.
The idea its self i don't like but i tried to mess around with the idea a little to see if there anything close to this that could be useful.
I can't answer for Pwnage, but as for myself, Yes.
I put
Quote from: NotoriousM4^ on January 05, 2010, 10:08:24 PM
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Because this thread is just going to end it constant arguing/flaming/nonsense. And people are going to continue to bump this even after I post this message.
Quote from: Zario777 on January 05, 2010, 10:16:27 PM
I like this idea too much to just let go. I just don't think that I have met a problem I haven't solved yet with the signs, but feel free to throw more at me/clarify some that I still haven't understand. I will back down when I meet a point I cant get across.
Zario, I'm sorry, but your going to have to let it go for now. You might want to let this thread die, and bump it when you have your ideas FULLY thought out and exactly what you want planned out without all the extra filler. I'm not giving you any guarantees that people will like it the second time, but it sure does make a lot more sense then just replying to something that appears to be going nowhere at the moment.
Thank you Mystery for seeing the soul purpose for this idea. Fun. But if a couple (hence the "a couple") of ideas have to have another purpose other than fun, I guess thats where the the sign would stop.
To address your concern with the feather hat, I give you this: If all you need to cross the pits is a feather hat, then all you need to jump upon the signs would be a feather hat. If you can jump over the gap, u dont need to jump on the sign to cross the pit anymore. I doubt that the sign could show any advantages to pvp so it doesnt rule out AGI usage there either. If there is a different jump requirement to pass over the gap in desert, then the overall height could be a crouch jump with a frog hat.
@ Notorious: I'm not bumping the idea. I am replying to people's messages regarding the sign's flaws.
Quote from: NotoriousM4^ on January 05, 2010, 10:30:28 PM
And people are going to continue to bump this even after I post this message.
Of course we are, because we are allowed to discuss it. This is a forum, after all.
Zario, I'm sorry, but your going to have to let it go for now. You might want to let this thread die, and bump it when you have your ideas FULLY thought out and exactly what you want planned out without all the extra filler. I'm not giving you any guarantees that people will like it the second time, but it sure does make a lot more sense then just replying to something that appears to be going nowhere at the moment.
I have a somewhat revised version of his idea in the post of mine that makes somewhat more sense, and honestly does not seem that bad. If you disagree, feel free to point out any flaws. And I forgot to add NOT using it as a weapon.
This entire topic could have been probably two pages if people actually read each other's posts thoroughly.
1. Again people do not have to read the signs. People don't have to complain because the insulter and the insultee both would be in the wrong for A writing the message, and B choosing to read the message. We could even have a sign put up around the 1st flag stating that they do not have to read other signs (and make that one and that one only indestructible) for their own sake.
And Again, you obviously didn't read my post.
Quote from: Lucifer
One suggestion is for people to just ignore what these signs say, but how can you ignore them if someone
walks up to you and says "Hey, guess what that sign says about you?". It's just idiotic to tell someone to ignore the obviously... idiotic.
It's just plain stupid to tell people to ignore a message that's insulting them. If you were in a public place and someone was following you with a shirt that said Zario777 is a Faggot, would you punch them in the face or ignore them?
2. Its not any version of King of the Hill. That was part of the what you can do by writing joke messages. You
could start a King of the Hill type game with it, you
could post like a warning sign near the pits telling newbs what AGI level they need to pass. These are just two examples.
There really is no point to this. I'll quote myself... again...
Quote from: LuciferIt's my arguement that anything that could be written on the signs could be easily posted on the forums or shoutbox, or communicated with other people near you in the game.
You keep saying you're just providing examples, well Zario considering we've been arguing this for 5 pages, could you PLEASE lay all of your ammo down on the table so we can get this over with?
3. I said it
could be used as a weapon, but "that might be too much to program, so idk for sure."
Alright, so what's your solution to "3.) Does (current lack of) benefits outweigh the work required to program?" then? I was just pointing out that you're using a horrid example.
4. We can make the signs only attackable in pvp mode and regenerate its hp every hour or so. There shouldn't be a considerable amount of ppl chasing bunnies in pvp mode to take down a sign. Or bunny hunters using sword like weapons to chase one down either.
Attacking them in PvP mode should have been pretty obvious, how else would people protect their beloved signs? I'm not really sure what you mean by "ppl chasing bunnies in pvp mode to take down a sign"
5. I don't see how stacking signs next to the holes will aid somebody without a feather hat across. I did say that the sign would be too tall for a feather hatless newb to high jump to, and cross the pit. I don't understand how having multiple signs that are out of reach will aid anyone who cant reach.
You might want to take into account that the Feather hat is one of the most common drops in the game, as well as one of the least expensive items.
@Mystery
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Sure, it serves no real purpose(that would be that useful), but it's for FUN, not for fighting monsters or anything to that degree. Guess what, the whole point of SO is to have fun
I still don't see what's so incredibly fun about it. The only things I can think of that might be fun would be playing King of the Hill with them (Easily done without), Stacking them (Which you suggested we abandon completely), or abusing them. (Hehehe, I know I would.) None of these things make actually implementing the idea necessary or worth it.
Quote from: Mystery
True, you could have jerks who chop down every sign in sight, but someone will notice them eventually and take action.
Take..action? What exactly could someone do?
Quote from: MysteryHonestly, for a moderately active player, 10k can be earned in a day.
Precisely why it should cost more than 10k, as it would be just as easy for abusers to re-earn their money.
Quote from: Lucifer on January 05, 2010, 11:04:39 PM
I still don't see what's so incredibly fun about it. The only things I can think of that might be fun would be playing King of the Hill with them (Easily done without), Stacking them, or abusing them. (Hehehe, I know I would.) None of these things make actually implementing the idea necessary or worth it.
That's a nice opinion ya got there. A lot of people have differing opinions, meaning just because you don't think it's "worth it", doesn't mean everybody else agrees with ya. That's why I find it funny that people here are still discussing this. The whole thing comes down to whether or not you think it sounds like fun. Arguing that it has "no benefit" is a personal opinion that others might not share :-\
Quote from: Jake on January 05, 2010, 11:10:37 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on January 05, 2010, 11:04:39 PM
I still don't see what's so incredibly fun about it. The only things I can think of that might be fun would be playing King of the Hill with them (Easily done without), Stacking them, or abusing them. (Hehehe, I know I would.) None of these things make actually implementing the idea necessary or worth it.
That's a nice opinion ya got there. A lot of people have differing opinions, meaning just because you don't think it's "worth it", doesn't mean everybody else agrees with ya. That's why I find it funny that people here are still discussing this. The whole thing comes down to whether or not you think it sounds like fun. Arguing that it has "no benefit" is a personal opinion that others might not share :-\
Feel free to list what You would do with this idea for fun. Everyone, for that matter. I'm sure I'm not thinking of other uses for it that could be fun.
Quote from: Lucifer on January 05, 2010, 11:11:34 PM
Feel free to give some examples as to what You would do with this idea for fun. Everyone, for that matter.
I've already posted examples, and you have too. But fine, let me expand.
-Stack signs to allow low AGI players to get to higher places
-King of the hill
-work together to create sign art
-Post jibber jabber when bored
-Work with a bunch of players to create huge towers
-Create tower art
-Express your beliefs through signs!
-Play King of the hill on the huge tower of signs
I'm sure the crafty users of SO could find many more uses beyond that.
Er, sorry, I meant to say give examples of ideas that one can't just as easily do without signs. Beforehand, sorry for picking apart your examples, but what we're trying to accomplish here is to see whether or not all the effort required to create these signs and solve any abuses is actually worth it.
-Stack signs to allow low AGI players to get to higher places
Why the hell should we do that? This, as said multiple times, will lessen the need for agility even more. When you decide to give your character such low agility that he cannot reach certain areas, that's what you're giving up in turn for other benefits. Why should we allow them those benefits and allow them maneuverability as well?
-King of the hill
-Post jibber jabber when bored
-Express your beliefs through signs!
These three can easily be done without signs.
-Work together to create sign art
-Work with a bunch of players to create huge towers
-Create tower art
-Play King of the hill on the huge tower of signs
Honestly, I think we should entirely ditch the Signs idea, and instead focus on Portable Platforms. Everything at all good about this idea (In my opinion, of couse) comes from stacking these signs, so why not completely cut out writing messages?
Quote from: Jake on January 05, 2010, 11:18:02 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on January 05, 2010, 11:11:34 PM
Feel free to give some examples as to what You would do with this idea for fun. Everyone, for that matter.
I've already posted examples, and you have too. But fine, let me expand.
-Stack signs to allow low AGI players to get to higher places
-King of the hill
-work together to create sign art
-Post jibber jabber when bored
-Work with a bunch of players to create huge towers
-Create tower art
-Express your beliefs through signs!
-Play King of the hill on the huge tower of signs
I'm sure the crafty users of SO could find many more uses beyond that.
So what your telling me is signs are coming to nfo?
Quote from: Lucifer on January 05, 2010, 11:45:50 PM
Honestly, I think we should entirely ditch the Signs idea, and instead focus on Portable Platforms. Everything at all good about this idea (In my opinion, of couse) comes from stacking these signs, so why not completely cut out writing messages?
Chaos and I agreed on this earlier.
Quote from: ARTgames on January 05, 2010, 11:51:47 PM
Quote from: Jake on January 05, 2010, 11:18:02 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on January 05, 2010, 11:11:34 PM
Feel free to give some examples as to what You would do with this idea for fun. Everyone, for that matter.
I've already posted examples, and you have too. But fine, let me expand.
-Stack signs to allow low AGI players to get to higher places
-King of the hill
-work together to create sign art
-Post jibber jabber when bored
-Work with a bunch of players to create huge towers
-Create tower art
-Express your beliefs through signs!
-Play King of the hill on the huge tower of signs
I'm sure the crafty users of SO could find many more uses beyond that.
So what your telling me is signs are coming to nfo?
Quote from: Jake on January 06, 2010, 12:12:22 AM
Quote from: Lucifer on January 05, 2010, 11:45:50 PM
Honestly, I think we should entirely ditch the Signs idea, and instead focus on Portable Platforms. Everything at all good about this idea (In my opinion, of couse) comes from stacking these signs, so why not completely cut out writing messages?
Chaos and I agreed on this earlier.
Or maybe just portable platforms?