Group of kids throw a dog off a 50 foot bridge...

[DivineLegend]

poor dog... shouldn't have to deal with that kinda crap, but i have seen worse... i have been through a lot in life
umm. idk where to start... especially after reading almost all of the posts...
The fact that the guy only got one year of jail time is shit... lemme just say that...
I eat meat, i like it, and i have seen a pig get butchered and lemme tell you. It is done quickly and how i saw it done was the guy shocked the pig so he wouldn't feel anything and couldn't move, then sliced its neck and let it bleed out on the ground. IDK if it is the BEST method of doing it, but it was a mobile truck doing it, not at a factory.
I think humans eating meat is part of the pyramid or whatever you wanna call it... Say parrots (second smartest animal on earth i believe, third ebing a dolphin correct me if i am wrong) were smarter than humans and were the "dominant" species of Earth. One somehow manages to drop you from a bridge 50 ft tall, and you live. What would you like seen done to the parrot. Would you like to just see it in jail for one year? or thrown off a bridge just like it did you?
I do like the eye for an eye concept. FOR MOST THINGS. there are somethings that should NEVER be repeated, but say a guy shot one of your parents and killed them, wouldn't you want to see that guy dead? i certainly would. Hell, i wanna see the guy that killed my grandpa dead. Instead, he is out there !@#$ing other peoples lives up.
This guy who dropped the dog is gonna go out there and keep doing stupid shit like this until he finally get satisfied, gets killed, or spends the rest of his life in jail. but thats my opinion (prepares for chaos's flaming)

[Pat]

IDK if it is the BEST method of doing it, but it was a mobile truck doing it, not at a factory.

A bullet to the brain?

[Grim_Reaper]

Holy SH*T!
hope that dog gets its revenge!!
you can see the precise moment when the front right leg snaps on impact!*throws up abit*
i hate people who post shit like this (for people who posted them doing it and people posting it other places to make it more well known)
gees guys! if u see this sh*t, don't post it anywhere else. its disgusting. it makes u as bad as the people doing it.
so don't make other people watch it(i know ur gonna be like.... but i didn't force them too. yeah well peoples curiosity gets the better of them 9/10)

there thats my say

[Torch]

Nothing makes it "right". Morals differ from person to person. There's no way to argue whether or not it's "right" because it is an opinion. Animal fur makes excellent material for clothing so the most logical choice is to make use of that. If someone finds this morally wrong, they have the option to not buy fur coats, and that's fine by me. I just wish people wouldn't force their own moral values upon people who don't think the same way as they do.

Does that mean you think Schindler was wrong for trying to save as many Jews as he could during the Holocaust? After all, he was imposing his beliefs into Hitlers view system, despite the fact that his Morals were not anymore right or wrong than Hitlers.

Hitler was trying to enforce his beliefs upon other people. Schindler was trying to prevent that.

Which means they're BOTH in the wrong according to your viewpoint because both are trying to impose on each others view points. Schindler isn't in any danger, yet he still imposes on Hitlers scheme. Why? Because he has emotion. Why does he have emotion? Because he's a human ****ing being.

Using the same argument you used against me, I can apply it to the debate on killing animals: If someone wants to impose their views on animals by killing them, people who stop them are only trying to prevent the animals deaths. That is the same argument you just gave me, except yours dealt with the deaths of people. You seem to think that people can do whatever they want because it's their own moral code, but this doesn't ring true for killing humans simply because you don't want it to. I can't believe you don't see how distorted your own beliefs are. If you think it's ok for people to follow their own moral code, you can't pick and choose which subjects are allowed to be disregarded. It's all or nothing. Are you going to pick the side which admits your human? Or are you going to admit to us how robotic you are, and finally admit that you have no real emotion.

I argue using logic, not my own emotion. I said that I wish that people wouldn't impose their beliefs upon other PEOPLE. I didn't say that this was a moral belief, I just wish it wasn't the case because it causes inconveniences for me. Killing animals isn't someone trying to impose their beliefs upon me.

I think that being able to argue without having to use emotion is a good trait.

[Titan]

Now as cruel as this may make me sound, I personally think the 'eye for an eye' method seems fair as all hell.

It may seem fair at first, but so does Communism. Personally I believe that, as a human being, you should take the high road and not stoop to his level. It does not solve the problem of pushing sentient beings off bridges by pushing more off.

Ah but it creates fear. Think about it for a moment. I have more to say, but for the moment, just think how people would react to a 'eye for an eye' sentence on just ONE person who tortured an animal to some degree.

I'm surprised no one has quoted Ghandi yet.

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
Oh and this has nothing to do with eating meat.I don't know how that got started. Its about a dog thrown off a bridge.
Anyone that owns a dog knows that they show intelligence, loyalty, and make good companions.
Most people who are like "oh that sucks but w.e" Probably have never owned a pet.

[Pat]

Holy SH*T!
hope that dog gets its revenge!!
you can see the precise moment when the front right leg snaps on impact!*throws up abit*
i hate people who post shit like this (for people who posted them doing it and people posting it other places to make it more well known)
gees guys! if u see this sh*t, don't post it anywhere else. its disgusting. it makes u as bad as the people doing it.
so don't make other people watch it(i know ur gonna be like.... but i didn't force them too. yeah well peoples curiosity gets the better of them 9/10)

there thats my say

He can do what he wants. He posted it to tell people about this cruel act, nobody made you watch that video, or visit this topic. No he's not as bad as the people who did it! The people who did it threw a dog off a cliff whereas he made a topic showing his disgust. And why did you say 9/10? I hope you weren't rating the video.

[DarkTrinity]

@Trogdor: I'm doubting his friend who recorded him got caught, because they don't have any proof of who it really was. The guy was easier to catch because they had his face and voice on camera. The only way the 'accomplice' would be caught is through eye witnesses or if the guy told police who recorded. And I'm doubting either are likely.

I would also like to poke at the subject of how humans are "superior beings to animals" because we can think better than they can... I would compare animals to baby humans. Neither can speak for themselves, neither have the thinking process of adult human beings. In my personal opinion, I think animals are way cuter than human babies. Yet we protect baby humans more than we protect animals or even adult human beings. Because children are innocent and can't speak for themselves.... Just because they're smaller versions of us.

@Chaos: You should've joined the debate team in highschool xP

@Divine: I heard that dolphins were the second smartest, after humans. I'm surprised gorillas or some type of ape isn't up there..

EDIT: I was right, it was Hormel that terribly abused their pigs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaHmxBEW-Do
I need to warn you, the above video is VERY graphic. It is also a PETA video... So I think the statement at the end that says "If you eat pork, bacon, etc. then you are encouraging this abuse" Well, not everyone treats pigs this way, so that's a little biased and extreme in my opinion....

[DivineLegend]

@trin: chimpanzees are pretty smart... and about the dolphin parrots thing, i had heard ti was parrots dolphin... lemme go look it up :O
edit: i looked it up, and i couldn't find a list, but i found the "top 10" animals that are smart, but in their own way. Dolphins have learned to use tools to protect their nose while foraging, parrots weren't on the list suprisingly :O
crows and ravens were because of their ability to use tools and watch their elders and learn their tricks from them. Dogs, cats, pigs, chimps, and elephants were also on the list

[Chaos]

It may seem fair at first, but so does Communism.

Do you know anything ABOUT communism?  It's actually quite a brilliant system.

I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. I was referring to the countries practicing Communism right now, not the form Karl Marx advocated.

I agree with you there. It is a very ingenious form of government, however the idealisms expressed by Marx cannot exist right now in this type of political climate. Right now it's a great theory, but those countries that practice that form of government are proof of how it can go horribly awry (such as the Marxism-Leninism form of Communism). It will be awhile before the human race achieves "Pure Communism", but until then it's simply an interesting notion.

Back on topic, did anything ever happen to the guy's friends who were videotaping him? Did they get a slap on the wrist for being "accomplices", or were they just ignored overall?

Alright, I'll give you that.  Pretty much every country that has attempted communism has also decided to be a censoring, murdering dictatorship.  Just wanted the point clarified that those two things do not have to go hand in hand.  Far too many idiots in America like to decry and demonize the concept of Communism without ever knowing anything about it.  :/

@DT:  Eh, I'd have only joined if they had let me gel up my hair into spikes and shout "OBJECTION!"  ;P  Plus, I debate better over the internet because I have time to consider and type up a response.

[DivineLegend]

Chaos, maybe you and i should start a debate class online :O
chemistry class rolled around and we had a debate over global warming... man did i have fun >:D

[LeGuy]

I agree with Chaos - communism, in a perfect world, would be the system. The only problem? Humans aren't perfect. We simply aren't going to work harder for the well-being of someone who do not know, nor care about. Years and years of economics have completely and indisputably proven that humans work more efficiently when the promise of instant, self-gratification is the result of their labors.

Oh, and how did we get from animal abuse to economics? :P

[Scotty]

I would like to bring into the discussion a term that has been around forever, and is absolutely necessary, I'll even supplement this with some perfect examples.  The term I would like to use is commonly called "The Food Chain".  There are predators and there are prey.  We kill to survive.  Be it we kill plants, or animals, we do it to survive.  So does almost every other animal on this earth in some degree or fashion.  It is in our nature to survive, and we do what is necessary to do it.  If it's cold, we kill for fur, if we are hungry, we kill for food.  It is all a process that has allowed us all to live for this long.  Now, I am going to paint this picture for all of you imagine:

Imagine if humans never existed.  I don't want to say we are the supreme animals of the earth, because we have evolved (in a sense) to adapt to our surroundings.  So, whipe us out, what happens.  Well, first off, all the species of animals that we've fought to protect from going extinct, they are also going with us.  North American Bison, they are going to be ruling the North America because the Native Americans wouldn't have killed almost the entire species off, and how many predators are there to kill of a massive two ton bison?  Sure, there might be other animals higher in the food chain then them, but we were without a doubt, the biggest predator against them.  You see what I'm getting at?  We've done what history says we've done, and we've managed to make it this far doing it!  Everything happens for a reason.

I'll put this into one final scenario from a show I watched a year ago.  Imagine the south west coast of the USA (California, and we'll throw Mexico in there as well for giggles) without sharks.  Most of us have grown to fear them, therefor whenever possible (not necessarily whenever necessary) humans, out of fear, may kill them to prevent what they might think as a possible future onslaught.  If we removed sharks from the Pacific ocean, does anyone grasp what would happen to marine life?  Here, I can paint one picture for you that I know will happen.  Kill off all the sharks, now, the next biggest predator in the line that fell directly beneath the sharks, are squid.  Down in Mexico, there is an over-abundance of squid, and they will eat you.  This show had a segment where some men donned protective suits, jumped the water at night amongst a herd of squid, and induced a feeding frenzy.  Had they not had those suits on, they would have been dead in seconds.  So kill off the sharks, now we have squid and many other potentially dangerous predators to humans to have to deal with.

What I'm saying is, we have lived this long on a predator/prey system.  To make things even better, human compassion has allowed us to realize the mistakes we've made in that system, and work hard to try to recover from them.  Hence we why have the "Endangered species list."  It's an on-going process that will never end, and I refuse to fight it.  I will help when I can (hence my previous contributions and time dedicated to the local ASPCA), but to deny that the system has gotten us this far and insist on changing my beliefs to try and "fight the system" is a waste of my time.  All I can hope for, is that in the future, when we as humans become an endangered species, that the predator above us will fight to keep our sorry asses alive.

EDIT:  Also, I just want to clarify.  Schindler was a war profiteer.  Nothing more.  In order to be successful at being a war profiteer, you need to maintain your assets.  By losing his work-force (the Jews), he was losing money.  That is why he kept them, which, out of sheer coincidence, happened to be against Hitler's grand scheme.  Did he have compassion for them, sure, as man is capable of showing compassion, but to say that he was the bright and shining star of Germany, it isn't so much compassion, as it was just a coincidence.

[Lingus]

EDIT:  Lingus, Cactus, settle down, take a deep breathe.  We're adults, yes?  Let's discuss like them, shall we?  No need to get antagonistic.  Clarify your positions and get on the same page.

Agreed. I feel like he is being contradictory, but maybe I'm just misunderstanding. There's no point in getting in an argument over nothing.

Edit: I want to make an additional comment. A few people are talking about killing animals to survive, such as for food or fur. I think I have mentioned this already, but it really is not necessary anymore for us to kill animals in order to survive. That whole argument becomes flawed in that light. I think that in the past this was true, but just because we have gotten to this point by doing something does not mean we have to continue it. We got here by killing animals to survive. Now that we have more advanced technology, we should use our superior intelligence that everyone keeps talking about to realize that it is no longer necessary to kill animals to survive. We aren't superior to animals because of this intelligence. But, it does make us more responsible for our actions. Animals don't know or have a way to do things differently. We do.

To add to that, I think it would be unwise to just stop killing animals for food altogether. Part of that is related to Scott's post above. If we stopped killing cows for meat right now, there would be a massive overpopulation. This would probably eventually balance itself out, but since we artificially created this overpopulation, we should definitely correct it somehow. This would go for any other stock animal that we breed for meat. We can't just release them into nature. Not to mention, they have become domesticated. We would need to correct that somehow or continue to care for and feed them (just stop breeding them like crazy).

Anyways, that's my two cents... I know it's not reasonable, but it makes sense to me.

[DarkBlade325]

Now as cruel as this may make me sound, I personally think the 'eye for an eye' method seems fair as all hell.

It may seem fair at first, but so does Communism. Personally I believe that, as a human being, you should take the high road and not stoop to his level. It does not solve the problem of pushing sentient beings off bridges by pushing more off.

Ah but it creates fear. Think about it for a moment. I have more to say, but for the moment, just think how people would react to a 'eye for an eye' sentence on just ONE person who tortured an animal to some degree.

I'm surprised no one has quoted Ghandi yet.

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
Oh and this has nothing to do with eating meat.I don't know how that got started. Its about a dog thrown off a bridge.
Anyone that owns a dog knows that they show intelligence, loyalty, and make good companions.
Most people who are like "oh that sucks but w.e" Probably have never owned a pet.

Hell, I own two dogs at the moment. And they're spoiled beyond belief, heh. We have an old big couch that we never use anymore, so both of them use that as their bed. It'll only be a matter of time before they get their own TV.

It is also a PETA video...

Every time I hear that word now, I laugh. Not because I hate them or anything like that. Glad they're protecting animals from cruelty and bringing it to the light every day..

But every time I hear that word, PETA, I always think of that ad picture they made that had a naked girl with the tag line "I'd rather go naked than wear fur." Smart move.

[Scotty]

It is also a PETA video...

Every time I hear that word now, I laugh. Not because I hate them or anything like that. Glad they're protecting animals from cruelty and bringing it to the light every day..

But every time I hear that word, PETA, I always think of that ad picture they made that had a naked girl with the tag line "I'd rather go naked than wear fur." Smart move.

I hate PETA, and surprisingly, I have a similar mindset as them.  I think they are just a bunch of extremist idiots.  There's plenty of people fighting for animal rights, there's no need for an idiot organization to try and gain attention for their cause by slandering people and making open attacks.  We all know they are idiots, there's no need for you to stand there and say "HEY EVERYONE!  LOOK AT ME!"